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Not really, some of EU which would be the pinnacle of democracy and respect of law (Scandinavia for example) have openly said Israel is doing war crimes. USA is not objective here, neither is UK. What baffles me is that they are willing to destroy their interntional reputation for such a small country. I live in Europe and i have read about how Israeli treats Palestinians. It is out of the world for us Europeans to even do 1/10 of the devilry that Israel does. There is no apartheid in Europe. Josep Borrell: EU must choose between rule of law and Israel | DW News (youtube.com) Common values? Apartheid, starvation of civilians, racism, carpet bombing or genocidal statements are not "European values". Neither is shutting down media (like they did with Al Jazera) nor not allowing millions of the Palestinians in the West Bank to vote. Give me a break...

What disturbes me more than this is the crazy support the West, especially US/UK is giving Israel. US officials legit threanted the ICC prosecutor and his family. Threatening a judge is a criminal act in most countries. You cannot really expect Israel to stop being devils when this threatens their survival, but you can expect US and UK to put them in their place. You can argue about AIPAC but fundamentally Israel is US pawn, not the other way around. Israel cannot survive without US, US will be fine without Israel, especially now that most Arab countries are on good terms with the US. Same logic with the UK. It is more realistic for US/UK to tell Israel "if you do not stop this we will abandon you" then Bibi waking up one day and saying "We Israelis are also responsible for the October attacks". What do you think? I feel like the West can easily coerce Israel to recognize Palestine and stop the war (via sanctions and cutting of ties).

Economically yes, since EU is very rich and tempting. But culturally they are quite a blue society with blue values. I see them as a poorer Hungary or Poland. Tons of racism and anti LGBT etc. And its economy got totally destroyed by the West. A big reason Putin is against the West is that. You can see their gdp go down a lot during those years and then once Putin comes to power it starts growing a lot. Russia could have indeed been a western ally but the west wanted to milk it instead. Heck, Putin even tried to join NATO in the beginning but once he saw NATO was an US monopoly to do what US wants, he backed down. Sad chance to form a Russian Western alliance wasted. Totally agreed. I think the main point here is how Western minded Ukraine was BEFORE the war. Now, I do not deny they are basically anti Russian. But before the war, I do not think they were much different in terms of values. But that is my opinion, I may be wrong. I am open to other sources as long as they are not from the parties directly involved which in this case is Ukraine or Russia. Lastly, i would like your explanation about something, off topic. I heard from many people I know that Ukranians in the West tend to be a bit anti Russian. They have been historically. They attribute it especially to the Soviet made famine in the 1930s. Ok, I get that. But how come that they are not much anti German, considering the Nazis killed more people than the Soviet famine did. If Ukraine wants to have dislikes for countries based on historical injustices how come Germany gets a free pass? Would like your opinion on it.

@Hatfort It baffles me how Europeans claim a land that is historically Arab. No issue with Arab Jews, but those European Jews that came to Israel were totally out of place there in my opinion. If you want to immigrate like Arabs immigrate to Europe, no issue with that. But Arabs in Europe dont kick natives of their land and make their own state then take even more land Ironically Zionism is a project to kick out Jews from Europe, it is anti Jewish in nature. Again Europeans fucking over the world and then dumping their shit on other groups.

If someone that called Palestinians human animals, ordered water, electricity and fuel denied to 2.2 million people (close to 1 million kids) and has an arrest warrant for war crimes and crimes agaisnt humanity on his way, if a person like this gets labeled "moderate right wing" in Israel, then I do not want to imagine what a radical right wing person would be. "Kill all Gazans" probably

@Husseinisdoingfine Good shit. Hopefully the first of many

‘Israeli society is living in total denial’ Gideon Levy, a columnist at Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, has said he hopes that “Israelis will start to look upon themselves and not to blame the whole world for what’s going on”. “The notion right now in Israel, as usual, is that the whole world is against us, the whole world is anti-Semitic and let’s get together, we the victims of the world. I don’t know how long it will last because there must be cracks,” he told Al Jazeera. “Israelis should start to ask themselves, ‘Where is my responsibility’? Is it really only the world’s blame? Or maybe there were crimes of war in Gaza. Maybe our leaders should be brought to justice.” These conversations are not yet being had, Levy said. Israeli society, he added, is living in total denial. “And the Israeli media, which is the biggest collaborator with the occupation, is the main reason why the discourse in Israel is still a blame game against the world,” he said. Looks like it was made for somewhat @Nivsch and totally for @Vrubel

Ukraine was neutral until 2013, if not somewhat pro Russia. Then the maiden revolution happened and the country started moving towards the West. Regarding that, there are several theories. Some say it was a US backed coup. Some say it was the majority will of Ukrainian people. Personally, I do not know, I am not informed enough so cannot say. But "Ukraine moving west" is a development as of the last 10 years. It is new. It was independent since 1991, do not forget that. I saw Yanakovic guy was pretty corrupt and he fled to Russia. Makes sense they wanted him out. But the guy after, was also an oligarch and super corrupt too, so it wonders if there was actually any real change until Zelensky came. And now Zelensky has a ton of corruption accusations. So this whole thing is a big mess. I do not know what to believe. All I can say is that Ukraine was forced to do some good anti corruption reform from 2022 because EU asked them to for EU integration and it seems according to EU Commission that the country started moving westwards. But I do not know if any progress was done about Ukraine from 2014 until 2022. Most countries are getting better. It includes Russia, China, India, Poland, Rwanda etc. Perhaps. I am not informed enough to say whether what you say is legit or not. I do know that in Russia you do not see hundreds of thousands of people dying in 2 years because of "Putin's oppression" so the war is a much bigger killer than any oppression. And you are arguing for national identities holding more importance than human life. That is a somewhat stage blue nationalistic point of view. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/russia-ukraine-toll-bodies.html#:~:text=be independently verified.-,Mr.,and 100%2C000 to 120%2C000 wounded. "Mr. Zelensky’s accounting of Ukrainian casualties differs sharply from estimates by U.S. officials, who, this past summer said that close to 70,000 Ukrainians had been killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded." I would pick US estimates over Ukranian ones. Just like I would pick US estimates over Russian ones. It is not wise to take into account what parties involved in war have to say since they have heavily biased agendas.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/article/2024/may/20/icc-prosecutor-seeks-arrest-warrants-israeli-pm-netanyahu-hamas-officials-war-crimes The chickens have come home to roast "Self defense" my ass.

@BlueOak Interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

Why does USA support that far right government? Since it is so powerful, cant it influence Israel into ditching them and putting a moderate pro peace government instead? I mean they have toppled regimes in the past so many times. I do not see how Bibi with company benefit the US in any way. Since you are American I would like to see your POV. When they say "Israel is our biggest ally", what do they really mean? How so?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/23/russian-forces-make-significant-gains-in-eastern-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/may/16/vladimir-putin-beijing-visit-china-live-updates-war-ukraine-latest-today-xi-jinping Not saying it is Russia, just very similar. Same ethnicity, religion, and were 1 unit until 1991. Well I may be wrong. I had the perception that Ukraine before the war was one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in Europe. No near close even countries like Macedonia or Bosnia. Maybe I was wrong. I am not saying NOW, i am saying if the war had been swift and fast. The discontent would have been far smaller. They shot themselves in the foot with the brutal way they conducted the war, especially in the first months. They should not. But the world is not fair. We see Israel is getting criminal protection by "The civilized world" even when they have a big fat ICC case in their face accusing them of the worst crimes you can commit. You can say they are getting away with it. Well if this keeps going on expect another 50.000 Ukrainians to die at least and countless more infrastructure and buildings destroyed. If you think that is better than living under Russian oppression then that is your opinion. Personally, I would rather live under a foreign ruler than being snatched from the streets and die in a trench. But that is just my opinion. I find nationalism fairly foolish.

Everyone including Ukraine itself saying Russia is advancing and things are very difficult. They are outnumbered and outgunned. I think they wanted to change the government like they did in Georgia. Put back a Yanakovic kind of guy. In Georgia that is basically what they did in 2008. They did not annex all of it. I think their plan for Ukraine was to take Donbas and those areas and also put a new pro Russian government. Their invading force was far too small to actually annex and occupy all of Ukraine which is why they were easily kicked. I think Ukraine becoming a buffer zone and neutral country is better than being destroyed by war. Why cant it have the fate of Georgia in 2008? I mean they are much better off than they would be if they were in a long war. It is funny that the world is acting like Ukraine is this new deal when Russia literally tried the same thing in 2008 and succeeded. It was a swift war which resulted in Russia taking certain Russian majority territories of Georgia and replacing the pro NATO government with a Pro Russian one. That is I think the exact plan Putin had for Ukraine. Another Georgia. However, it did not go according to plan. When i look at the state of Georgia and the state of Ukraine, I wonder which country got the better fate in the end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine "The Georgian civilians, who resided in the Akhalgori district and were willing to live in South Ossetia, were coerced into obtaining a Russian passport" "Russia accused Georgia of committing "genocide" in South Osset". "Ethnic cleansing of Georgians in South Ossetia was a mass expulsion of ethnic Georgians conducted in South Ossetia and other territories occupied by Russian and South Ossetian forces,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] which happened during and after the 2008 Russia–Georgia war.[8] Overall, at least 20,000 Georgians were forcibly displaced from South Ossetia" Jesus, the more i read about this the more it seems like Ukraine was such another rulebook application, nothing new. How come the world ignored this shit in 2008.

Well I would say the way Russians fight wars is more inhumane compared to other countries. But that is just my opinion. Well the west approved the weapons and did all it could. Now it is up to see what will happen. Whatever can be done, has been done.

They are US estimates. You cannot trust Ukraine nor Russia regarding casualties in this war, both sides lie through their teeth and have heavy agendas. US is somewhat more objective. So Ukraine has no chance of liberating its lost territories by your logic. To be honest both countries had plenty of immigration due to poverty. It is not like Ukraine was a thriving country. I think their income per capita was the lowest in Europe (lower than Moldova I think). Russia wanted the Russian speaking territories of Ukraine and especially Donbas and Donetsk, which it tried to get since 2014. They never claimed Kiev, nor can they manage it. It basically wants those territories annexed into Russia and the rest of Ukraine to be a pro Russian or at least neutral government . Some like Yanakovic. So all the Western reporters and analysits saying Ukraine is in deep shit are lying . Nobody is even denying it anymore. Too obvious to try to cover.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo Can someone explain to me how this is any better than the October attacks in terms of brutality?

Hello everyone I need your help about something. So i am trying to create a transcript of the spiral dynamic video series to send to someone I know. This person is very well read and knows politics and history very well, the issue is they cannot speak english. So, i am going to create transcripts for each of the videos and then translate it to their native language. This person has never heard of spiral dynamics before. I was wondering, in which order should I send him the video transcirpts. I was thinking to send all the colours starting from purple and then the 2 implication videos (nuances and applications) There is also an original video Leo posted where he briefly explains spiral dynamics Is this you think worth sending or the rest are enough to introduce the model

It will make it harder and harder for Europe to justify its cooperation which will greatly damage Israel economically and its standing. Turkey already cut out all trade with Israel. This will force Israel to elect a more moderate government and finally give Palestine a state and equal rights. Which in turn will reduce radicalization. Also it will show the world Israel is not above the law and does not get special treatment because of shit that happened 80 years ago. Simple as that.

Probably, but it shows Israel is a criminal state. It greatly damages their reputation, especially among European countries that actually take ICC into account. Also It might affect US elections now that USA is basically backing up a criminal state. Being put on the same basket as Putin (who has also an ICC warrant) is a big blow to Israel. One might say that BiBi is responsible for more crimes than even Putin.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-69038760?src_origin=BBCS_BBC I love how Israelis here ignore this. Now their government is officially a criminal terrorist one Good stuff.@Danioover9000

Neither will destroying Gaza. Hamas will just recruit new orphans and attack over and over. It is clear in Northen Gaza. This war has been a disaster. I do not see how people can defend it. I would like to go to the West Bank and see how people are treated there. I dont care about Tel Aviv, nobody says people get abused there.

It did produce some positive things. Palestinian cause has never been so popular and now hopefully it will lead to a final Palestinian state. Slovenia, Malta, Spain and possibly Belgium plan to recognize the state this summer. Also Israelis have been exposed and their reputation is now in ruins. The invasion of Rahaf, going against the entire world, including their strongest allies, is the nail in the coffin for their reputation. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-69038760?src_origin=BBCS_BBC

Deaths not casualties. So 70.000 dead Ukrainians and 120.000 dead Russians back then. Tons of young males in Ukraine have fled too. So it goes both ways. If Russia keeps the current territory it has in Ukraine (which is majority Russian speakers anyway) and does not take any other I think it will somewhat appease and anger both sides . Like 80% of Ukraine is still intact and it took Russia like 2 years to take it. I would call that a stalemate. Doubtful they would attack again and again. Russia taking the area it has is not the same as taking the whole country. Cant you see how inhumane that is? Dont you think it is more humane for Russians in the Donbass to live under Russia than to force young Ukranians to die in trenches for no reason? Not to mention war entails Donbass being destroyed and many civilians dying as long as there is war. And seems like Russia will take all of it by this year.

https://truthout.org/articles/the-majority-of-americans-now-disapprove-of-israels-genocide-polling-finds/ Seems like US public is becoming more and more angry with Israel atrocities.

@BlueOak Ukraine lied pretty badly about its looses. They say 30.000 looses. USA put it at around 70.000 in August 2023, now it is at least 100.000. Probably 120.000. There is no doubt Russia has more looses overall but the difference in looses is much smaller than the difference in population. Russia has around 4.5 times the population and around 50% more looses. Which puts it in a net advantage. I am just talking soldiers here, not equipment. For example during Stalingrad Russians actually lost almost double the number of soldiers Germans lost but because of the population difference it was a heavy blow for Germany and they struggled to recovered after, even though in 1943 under Speer leadership production rose heavily. They lacked soldiers. The more I see this war unfold, the more it is clear that Ukraine cannot reclaim back its lost territories. In the absolutely best case scenario it will just push back Russia every time that Russia tries to advance in a never ending cycle of war and pointless deaths.