Karmadhi

They are doing it with Russia, they froze like 300 billion dollars worth of assets and are using it to fund Ukraine.

The argument I heard is that Biden unfroze billions of frozen assets to Iran and overall Iran started to do better under Biden economically. Under Trump Iran was heavily struggling economically. And Iran funds Hamas which enables them to do an effective attack. However, I also heard about another argument. It says that the main reason that caused to Hamas to attack Israel when they did was because of the Abraham accords which were forged under Trump. Those accords did not take Palestinian statehood into account and therefore they attacked to avoid their signing. Using this argument, Trump is a big factor that the attack happened in the first place. So, it is a mess. One side blames Biden, another Trump.

At this point, maybe it is better to let Russia have those lands of Ukraine it has and end the war once and for all. But I am unsure about it. What do you think about what I wrote?

Yes. But under Trump the attack maybe would not have happened. Now for Gaza Trump will be worse. Unsure about Ukraine.

To be honest Biden handling of both Ukraine and Gaza war has been absolutely horrible. With Gaza he has supported mass murder of civilians and with Ukraine has damaged with relations with Russia to 1960s levels risking a war with Russia, not to count prolonging a war that is killing endless.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-republicans-god-intervention-00168108 Guys is this for real? Please some American here explain to me, do american POLITICANS really believe in this shit or it is just being used for political support?

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-megachurch-sermons-00168146 Not gonna lie, when they tried to kill Hitler in 1944, he was convinced God protected him and he was the chosen one, making him even more stubborn than before. Same seems to happen here. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-republicans-god-intervention-00168108

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-megachurch-sermons-00168146 You guys were right, he is being elevated to Prophet status now As a non American, this is hilarious to me

THANK YOU Leo I thought the same watching his debates, they really got into me as very biased.

So many people have this idea that Trump would not have allowed the war in Ukraine and Israel to happen. They say his strong leadership will end wars and put peace in the world. The fact that during his term no wars started (factual) and under Biden tons of shit happened, is the proof they use. Also Biden horrible mental state does not help. It gives him a lot of bonus points, he otherwise would not have had.

You seem very spoiled and entitled. Basically you are denying basic rights to millions so you can have the official holidays and food you like. Try living as a Palestinian in the West Bank where they live like Jews did under Nazis meanwhile you complain about first world issues. Why should that Jewish state be there though? If Saudi is so sparsley populated, they could have made it there, nobody would be kicked out. Everyone happy. And thing is, if your country gets wiped out, you will not care that there are 21 other Arab states, you care about YOUR state. It is like saying, lets wipe out Serbia because we got 100 other Christian states. Or 6 other Balkan states. Flawed logic in my opinion. Your population transfer argument does not apply here because you want Palestinian state to be wiped out, not just change populations. Greece, Poland for example were not gone as countries. They still exist. This is stage blue fundamentalism which is below the level of development of Leos work and this forum. I will not argue with you on it. Your logic is that what happened 2000 years ago is relevant for today. 1000 years ago, Russia and Ukraine were 1 country, Kievan Rus. Google it. If we go with the land origins of 2000 years ago (which is when Jews lived in Israel in mass as they say), then Russia and Ukraine also 1000 years ago were 1 state. So lets merge them again.

True but keep in mind that the countries themselves still existed. With your solution, Palestine will cease to exist. A better comparison would be for all Greeks going to Turkey and Greece ceasing to exist. Praise Bibi for funding Hamas via Qatar. Look, personally I do not have much personal affection to any piece of land so your solution seems ok. I would maybe agree to it personally. Issue is most of the world sees it as theft and ethnic cleansing. They will never agree to it. By your logic, Russia should kick out all Ukranians and take their land. Ukraine is not any less Russian than West Bank and Gaza are Israeli. Yet the whole world defends Ukraine. Why these double standards? Also, why not flip the script for a moment. Take all the Jews in the US and they can live happily there. Why should Jews have priority over that land? It is not any more Jewish than Arab Muslim. So your solution is not bad from a purely humanitarian sense if you have 0 attachment to land, but in the real world it cannot work. Also, you are not willing to do it yourself, yet you wish it on others. Your logic is: I will take your home and buy you another one, but I would not move out of my home if someone offered to kick me out but buy another home. Hope it is clear.

To be honest you attacked them first and you kidnaped them first. You started it.

ahahahahhaahahahahahahahahha i love this But what if the Arabs refused to take them? Would you declare war on them? You know Israel wanted to do this from the start but the Arabs refused so the Gazans were stuck there. How would you solve it?

Proof? As far as I saw it is unclear who killed who. There is footage of Hamas killing people but it does not amount to 1200 people overall.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyx0qdkn45eo Jesus just saw this.. Attack on a HUMANITARIAN SAFE ZONE and Israel claims it was done to kill 1 Hamas guy. So to kill 1 (assuming they are not lying) they sacrificed 80 people "Pieces of bodies of kids reported". When will this barbarity end...

@Nivsch By the way how come when Hamas kills Israelis you loose your shit, but when IDF does as it has been reveled by the Israeli press these past days, you seem not to care nor mention it here. Or is it ok when IDF does it? You realize it is still murder... Same goes for @Vrubel @hundreth @Gennadiy1981

The issue with the IDF is their unnecessary cruelty and racism. Nobody has issues with them existing, but the way they operate needs to change. Also them being mixed with religious idiots does not help.

To be honest I was expecting them to look much worse. They seem well fed and have no bruises or signs of torture. Nor have they reported any. Much better treatment than how Israel treats their Palestinian captives. I was expecting a beaten up skeleton with bruises to come out. Not this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Levy @Vrubel An example of a true Israeli patriot An example of "Humanity s best" that you often use as a term (i like the term) Massive respect to him. He reminds me of those Germans that wanted to kill Hitler because of his atrocities.

They are not dying though. That is the point. If you just want to talk about "trauma" and "living worse", then 2.2 million people in Gaza are ALL affected. But we are talking about more serious things here. Like dying. Nobody denies war affects a lot of people in some ways. Also half of Israelis are affected by Hezbollah attacks on the North which are a separate issue although somewhat linked. I would check the Israeli article that says Israeli killed some of its people using the Hannibal doctrine on October 7th. Since the main thing you care about are the 100 hostgaes, it might be interesting to see that your government and military killed your own people to avoid them becoming hostages. That would be enough to put me on the streets to protest if I was from there. Barbaric policy.

I am talking in general, they have bombed all hospitals dozens of times. Not a specific instance where perhaps it is indeed as you say. So I am talking more on the systematic campaign to destroy all hospitals. Do not get me wrong, there is clear reason to do this. For ethnic cleansing it works great, which is what they are aiming for here. Hamas is just the excuse. Even if some do shoot from there. Regarding Ukraine I was shown a picture of a bunch of clearly market Ukranian soldiers (wearing uniform and all) in what seemed to be a high school gym. That picture made me doubt that perhaps sometimes schools are indeed used as places where soldiers gather. But it is not enough proof of course, just enough to question the reasoning for the strikes. Considering Russia is not trying to do ethnic cleansing via bombings (perhaps they may try it when they actually annex land), I see little reason for them to waste precious ammunitions on bombing schools. Especially considering Ukraine actually has air defenses. I do not see much strategic gain here. If they want to just be evil, they can just start killing random Ukranian civilians on the occupied territories they have. Like the Nazis did. They already occupy millions. No need to waste rockets on random buildings. Lastly, the issue I have with Israel is also the crazy ratios they have. Giving green light to kill 10 to 20 civilians for 1 normal Hamas guy is basically a war crime. 100 civilians for 1 Hamas senior? Incredible inhumane. This total lack of empathy for human life is the issue here. The US never went this far, I believe at most they had a 8 civilian ratio for a senior guy during their operations on the middle east. Israel has 100. Hamas says 195 killed in two days of strikes on Jabalia camp – as it happened | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian 90 killed in Israeli strike on Jabalia refugee camp, says Gaza Health Ministry | CBC News The ratios come from here : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes

What you say is not unreasonable but the issue with America s orange is that they are willing to exploit others for their own benefit, regardless of what happens to those countries. USA is fine with a country being destroyed and put into endless chaos if it benefits them. That is the issue here. The main difference between blue and orange here is that USA does it for economic reasons meanwhile Russia does it for nationalistic reasons. And because nationalism is a stronger emotional force than economic profit, it leads to more brutal and ruthless campagains. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Guatemala are examples of countries that used to have law and order and became messes after USA got involved. A dictatorship is better than anarchy. It is true that China and Russia are not better, but China I have not seen them invade anyone yet to be honest. With Russia the only proper invasion and meddling that seems to be destroying a country is Ukraine. Georgia invasion was really small and the country did perfectly fine after. Afghanistan was messed up by both Russia and USA. First Russia messed it up then USA did. So to me both have blame there. If Russia and China started going on USA type invasion sprees and bombing campaigns I am sure the results would also be horrible, maybe even worse than USA involvements. Issue is that they tend to mind their own business a lot more, especially China.

To be clear, I am not saying Russia attack is justified. It is just they use the same bullshit arguments that Israel uses. So I also have no words for what Russia has done with their strikes. BUT, I also have no words for what Israel has been doing. In your mind Russia bad, Israel good. In my mind, Russia bad, Israel bad. I cannot talk about schools but I saw interviews with international doctors in Piers Morgan show and they said it clearly there were no traces of Hamas on the hospitals they had operated on. And I trust those independents 100x more than I would trust Israeli propaganda. So I find that argument pure propaganda and bullshit. At least about the hospitals.

Of course there is. Usually if you kill more than 10x civilians back it is an overreaction. Of course, but a campaign against the entire population is an over reaction . This is for example an over reaction. A not over reaction would be a professional army that only shoots at those that are clearly armed and threats. Not random people. Because USA did not do a genocide campagain and raze the entire country it invaded to the ground. Also they did not engineer a famine. Lastly, the territories USA invaded were not put on a siege for 20 years and bombed yearly killing thousands of innocents. And finally, everyone says that USA also did an overreaction and they told Israel from the start to not make their mistakes. Not only Israel made it, they 10x it.