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@Timur I mean what are PUAs going to tell you? If you are average looking or short you are fucked? No ofc not, its bad for business. So they say this stuff like talk to 1000 girls and sleep with 5 of them woho. There is some truth to that though, it does help you built your skills and in that way it is good. However a good looking guy can sleep with like 1/5 girls easily as long as he is not socially retarted. With great game which can come either naturally or after 2000 approaches then yeah you can get laid by like 1/10 girls. It is like saying sleeping with girls is calculus exam so you have to learn math till grade 12 first before you can actually be successful in calculus. 2000 approaches is the metaphor for the 12 grade maths. If you are good looking or naturally charming with girls then the 2000 approaches thing is not needed

@Michal__ @Michal__ Alright, thank you for the advice

@Michal__ My social skills are a lot better than before due to constant socialization. Now according to you i can get girls taller than myself? This is my problem. I am not complaining about not being able to get ANY girls, just those taller.

@Michal__ Until recently i was not interested in dating, then COVID hit. Now that i wanna start doing it, i see most girls unavailable to me because of my height. I do not have the skills to get girls taller than me, my personality is quite logical and not flirty

@Michal__ 3 percent men is an amaizing book but it works only for girls that are already attracted to you. "if a girl has an interest level lower than 51 percent than you cant get her. Focus on girls that show some interest at you" That is the theme of the book. Well i am lower than 51 for every girl taller than me, so 80 percent of girls are automatically out, another 10 percent automatically out from my face so 1/10 girls left. This is before me even looking at their face or personalities

@Leo Gura Is game of that level that the short guy had achieavble for anyone? Could you have reached that level of game for eg or did he have natural tendencies to be so good with girls. My personality is super similar to yours Leo. Could you have dated girls taller than yourself after 5000 approaches which is more than 0.01 percent of guys will ever do. You are right in what you say but i cant use that short guy as inspiration if he had naturally charming personality which i do not have. I have your personality naturally just more social but still am pretty logical and analytical

@Michael569 20 percent of girls includes those that i find unattractive, that find me unattractive (plenty of those) , that i dont vibe with at all, that are not my type of people, that are not kind or smart. With all filters it would be 0.5 percent max. So if i talked to 400 girls i would get 2 dates max. I tend to be very picky on personality (looks not so much) so yeah. I am kind smart honest and independent so i want my partner to be like that to some extent. So yeah it's tough. Meanwhile girls as long as they arent ugly have shit load of options

@Hello from Russia Because i do not live in the USA where you can switch state with 0 fucks given. I am young and do not have that option. Plus moving because of the height of the people is just stupid. I am living in a super progressive stage green country. However stage green feminist consider height to be normal requirement but want all the other gender equality benefits. Hypocritical af from them but i cannot change that.

@Leo Gura If there was no COVID lock downs i would but there is so i cant meet. 20 percent of girls includes those that i find unattractive, that find me unattractive (plenty of those) , that i dont vibe with at all, that are not my type of people, that are not kind or smart. With all filters it would be 0.5 percent max. So if i talked to 400 girls i would get 2 dates max. I tend to be very picky on personality (looks not so much) so yeah. I am kind smart honest and independent so i want my partner to be like that to some extent. So yeah it's tough. Meanwhile girls as long as they arent ugly have shit load of options

@Hello from Russia Moving is not an option.

@Byun Sean You miss my point. It does not matter if i put it on her frame of mind or not. If she is not attracted to you then she will reject you. Only good looking guys can actually use this advice since they get the attraction from the girl because of how they look. Other guys, cannot. Attract her while showing intent then sure. But just showing intent wont work usually. May work 1/50 cases where girl just happens to like your looks but fuck that.

@Byun Sean Dude that advice works if the girl is already attracted to you. If she is attracted to you then yeah showing intent will work. If she is not attracted to you then showing intent wont do shit,you ll just get a rejection. I have no issues with getting rejected, its part of life BUT telling a person to just show intent is bad advice in my opinion. It is like telling someone to apply for a job without a degree. You should tell them how to attract the girl FIRST then show intent so you can actually get success. If the guy is below average looking then he will need serious game to attract a girl which MOST guys do not have. Even an average looking guy needs decent game, only attractive guys can get away with lame game. I am talking about getting a decent girl here not some girl no one wants to fuck or be with. @arlin Tbh i do not think you are actually ugly as you say, you seem like okay/normal looking to me. So neither good or bad looking, just average. Do not call yourself ugly. Also try to get fit if you are short, it does help trust me (personal experience hehe)

@Byun Sean I never really got involved with dating for a long time. Im on my early 20s and before i just didnt have nerves for it. Now i kinda wanna get started and these horrible limiting beliefes are a huge obsticle that im trying hard to overcome. I just want a random girl to feel attracted to me just by me being me and not hitting on her or anything like that hehe. It happens to my friends from time to time but never me. Its painful af. Anyway thanks a lot for your advices :))

@Akemrelax you re right. Half the reason i made this post was to help myself accept it through your guys support. Its just painful af to be invisible to girls like i am but i dont have a choice as you said so yeah. Invisible i mean attraction wise because personality wise girls really enjoy my company, even hot ones

@Opo if i lived in a country where girls had average hight then i would not have made this post. Doubt Joe Rogan lives in a country with super tall girls. Plus i dont have a youtube channel with millions of subs. Dont use extreme outliers like this please, the random short guy you see on the street or in the gym (since i workout hehe) would be a better example.

@Byun Sean I have done massive progress in self development the last few months, especially regarding non neediness, self sufficience, understanding ego and it's mechanics and trying to un-wire social conditioning and programming regarding what you should like want etc. Yes it is tough but very enjoyable especially during covid. The thing is that girls almost never were into me and it has caused some self esteem issues due to my basic Maslow Needs not being met. I think i need to tackle this dating/girls thing in order to develop myself even further. The base needs to be taken care of before you can build up. However i am very logical and analytical kind of person, very similar to Leo (which is why i resonate with him) and i suck at flirting and making moves

@Byun Sean Great advice. Really appreciate it. May i ask you, did you start to actively approach girls or just went through with whichever girl you encountered by living your life normally. Also, what dating material would you reccommend?

@Byun Sean By biased bs i mean when you say i did this so it works. My language was a bit off there and i apologise. I am sure that working on your personality helps and that is what i will do, it is just when people say looks dont matter that i get a bit pissed because my life experience has shown me otherwise. As i said, if i was born next day as a model i could get girls by just existing. If i get a great personality i can also get girls. Both ways work just fine. Now, i cant do the first so i will focus on the second. It is just that some messages here make it seem like only the second works when actually both work but only the second one is actually doable. Now could you please tell me how can i attract a girl taller than me? Did you ever attract a girl taller than yourself? Even if you did not, what exactly did you improve personality wise outside the typical be more funny, less needy more confident etc. And btw i have maximized my looks and face wise i am not bad at all (often called cute)

@Byun Sean This is bunch of biased bs tbh. It is true that a good personality can attract a girl but saying that girl is not attracted by looks is ignoring reality. I know guys that get girls attracted to them JUST by the way they look. Now if the good looking guy had trash personality the girl would be turned off for sure but tbh most guys don't have such bad personalities to turn a girl off if she is attracted by guy looks. I'm not saying u have to be good looking necessarily to get something but ignoring it's value is what i don't agree with. It is like saying: you can either pass a test without studying because you are very smart or you can study a lot and pass it. Both ways of passing the test work, same here. You can attract a girl either by being good looking in her eyes or by personality.

@aurum I am 172 cm in a country where average height of girls my age is around 175 so yeah.

Guys i am not saying a normal girl will pick a taller guy rather than me. I am saying girls taller than me will not date me and that is due to heavy cultural and biological reasons. It is not that a i see a cute girl and i cant talk to her because she will pick the taller guy, not at all. I see people saying that guys project their desire for looks on the girls when girls care about personality. Guys do not give a single shit about girl height. There is no projection here, i am not complaining about my face or anything like that. Caring about height is a purely feminine trait that guys do not have. If you guys knew a girl that cared about height and ended up being with a guy SHORTER than her than you can share. My only hope is to focus on the 20 percent of girls shorter or my height by taking to a lot of them or getting lucky with 1/200 girls taller than me that does not care about height.

@ivory You are right and thank you. But it is just painful when you see a really cute girl but you cannot approach her because she is taller than you. I said around 1/5 girl is around my height or shorter so i can actually approach her. Maybe i could attract a girl that is taller than me but that is like winning the lottary so not really worth trying unless i just want to improve my skills

I would like to hear your opinions about something guys. Basically, i live in a environment where the people around me are very ambitious. I am talking about stage orange ambition, so wanting to want on big firms, have high positions there, have very high salaries etc. Personally i am not interested at all at this stuff. I want a job where i do something i enjoy, that helps the society in some way and where i am respected and treated properly. I am 22 so soon will start on my journey and i feel a bit conflicted. On one side i know what i want but on the other side i feel like i will be viewed as not ambitious, lazy, unintelligent and lesser. I will do a master program so it is not that i will be uneducated in the traditional sense. I live in a developed country so even with the average salary i can live quite good, i do not care about the luxurious lifestyle and stuff that tend to cost a lot. Due to 22 years of social programming i have some insecurities about myself due to my current desires. I really dislike the ambitious white collar promotion addicted workaholics that work 14 hours a day to get a promotion so they can afford their fancy cars and boost off to society about the position or place they work at. I am simple in that way. I am very passionate about understanding the world and reality which is why i follow Leo's work (other channels too) and will soon begin reading to further my understanding. My question is do you think that i am self deceiving myself because i do not want to work heavy heavy hours and have that competitive ruthless spirit, or not wanting to indulge in stage orange motivation is something healthy? It is just very difficult to unwire 22 years of programming

@SamC Models by Mark Manson- The first 3 chapters are absolute masterpieces, especially the first one Coach Coray Wayne- Most healthy manifestation of red pill knowledge, School of Attraction- Stage Green dating coach Dan Bacon- Most similar to Leo when it comes to talking and attraction women The Single Guy- Relatable af guy and also seems simple and cool. 33 secrets, Alpha male secrets- His philosophy is very pro male and heavy red pilled but he has a few videos where he talks about to stop being a victim and to focus on yourself etc and those are very good in my opinion.

@Danioover9000 I feel like Leo has an insanely high sex drive and is unable to do noFap due to his high sex drive. He said in his teens he was able to ejaculate 10-20 times a day which i find insanely high personally. If you are not at that level of sex drive then you can control it without much problem. I did nofap for 140 days (hard mode so no sex either, just wet dreams which i could not control) and i have difficulty meditating for 1 hour so yeah its not that hard.