Karmadhi

That is true, I was referring to 1 version of the toxic far left perhaps Regarldess, my long response regarding "what is far left is relative based on where you are living" still stands I think it would be helpful if you studied European politics and see what a true far hardcore left can be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_France_Insoumise Left to far left in France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Linke Far left in Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_Party_of_Belgium Far left in Belgium This is what I consider to be far left, so when I hear than Mandani or myself are far left I find it a bit puzzling The left is not just foreign policy, it is also economy, social issues, redistribution of income, affordability of basic services etc

I think we have different views of what a "hardcore leftie" is since we live in different parts of the world In USA probably I am indeed a "hardcore leftie", however in Europe where i live I am not Neither is Mandani. He is probably considered center to center left in much of Europe I invite you to read about far left parties in Western Europe to see how far it can go Also, I am much more realist when it comes to actual solutions to problem than you might think It is just that when I see grave injustice I emotioanlly lash out when we are not in "problem solving mode" For example when it comes to Ukraine I am much more realistic than Destiny who wants Ukraine to fight forever to get territory back they simply are not powerful enough to take On Ukraine he suddendly becomes like a hardcore Pro Pali saying Ukraine got fucked so it would be wrong if they submit in any way. Yet they will realistically because they are simply outmatched Also on Palestine I am pro two state, not the 1 state madness hardcore leftiest say Neither do I want Israel to be destroyed as far leftiest say

He is against Mandani which is not a far left radical Also he probably favours Biden over Bernie They are not far left, USA has a very cartoonish view that socialist=communist=stalinist What people like Mandani, AOC and Bernie want is to turn USA into a socialist democratic country similar to Germany, Sweden or Denmark That is totally different from communism Yet I notice he conflates the two Similar to JP in a way There is no reason for USA not to go towards that type of Green You cannot call the countries I mentioned as "far left radical countries" Also the American empire in itself is not a big issue imo as long as it respects international law and tries to elevate the development of poorer countries That would be a Stage Green to Yellow American foreign policy Yet USA is not like that USA does dealings with brutal dictators and also removes democratic elected leaders whenever they go against USA USA foreign policy is basically "you are pro us or we remove you from power"

Actually I have seen these days some more discussions of him and I realize his politics views are extremly basic at least on some topics Basically "USA is good and they spread freedom and democracy" instead of "USA is a devil just like other big powers, maybe less devil but still devil" Very biased view imo Your analysis of USA is much better than his for eg as it is self-reflective Issue with Destiny is that he is fighting hard for USA not to move towards Green but is happier if it stays in Orange with some Green in it. He is openly against the Democratic Socialists which are the evolution of USA politics towards proper Green Therefore he is problematic imo, even if he was not a shameless Zionist I would still have big issues with him for wanting USA to not evolve towards Green. A green USA is a better USA as green is more evolved than Orange and will hopefully put an end to USA toxic foreign policy actions that are done not to progress the world but keep countries under USA control. Yes, it may weaken the American empire, but perhaps that is what is bound to happen by evolution

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-tasmanian-genocide Post in Leo blog I saw The part: "Here's how colonialism works: We move into your land and start exploiting and abusing your people because we think we're superior, God's chosen people. You are outraged and have no choice but to fight back. We become outraged that you killed a few of our people. How dare you attack us, the civilized ones! We use this to smear your entire population as evil godless barbarians, leaving us no choice but to exterminate you in the name of civilization, otherwise our women and children would be in danger. Oh, and we just so happen to end up with all your land in the end. How fortune for us. But hey, you should not have been so evil. You should have let us rape you without squealing." Literally what Israel has done, is doing and will do to Palestine No difference So to @Leo Gura not only mankind WAS like this, it still is And most of the "developed" world supports it either directly or indirectly We have not evolved past that

The issue is taking land, not repelling an invasion Especially when the land theft is in the West Bank where there is no real existential threat nor October 7th attack It has been going on for many many years and it is done so slowly and carefully that you do not feel it until it is too late Boiled frog theory Also when you actually talk with people that are in favour or support this land grab, they usually use religion or God or the Bible as a reason for it As an atheist I cannot relate to this and hence am very critical. It seems like half the country is on board with this either directly or by voting for parties that are on board with this

I think half measures cause this A full measure would calm things down The only example they give is Gaza in 2005 but that was not a proper state, it was a half measure A full measure would be something similar to Kosovo or the states that emegered from the USSR after it collapsed I feel a proper Palestinian state would calm down the majority and the loud radical minority would either be eliminated from the internal pressure

I am sure if Palestine got a proper state and Lebanon got its land back, all sides would chill out and only the most radical elements would remain Which can be eliminated But most of the anger comes from lack of statehood Why is Israel so afraid of a Palestinian state? I am sure they can handle it in a war, the power difference is too big to worry

I am sure in the past they did. I am referring to now, today. No 5 Arab armies are attacking Israel, it is just Hamas that is too weak to seriously threaten Israel. Same with Hezbollah. The issue is that Israel is taking more and more land in the West Bank unopposed, and kicking out thousands of people That is the reality we are facing today You referr to reality of 1948 or 1967, but that is totally different today. Today basically we have an Israel state that is unhappy with 1967 borders but wants more land in what they call "Judea and Samaria" because they believe it is given to them by God They want more Hence greed. Nobody is seriously critizing Israel defending its 1948 or 1967 borders Issue is when you fight to get more land https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-2100-west-bank-settlement-housing-units-advance-in-planning-process/ This is what I mean

Because desire to exterminate is based on moral development, not technological or even political development You can be democratic and genocidal The Nazis were some of the most technologically advanced nations at the time, with strong burocratic institutions and had many poets, artists etc live at the time. Yet they were arguably more genocidal than some tribe in India Desire to genocide is linked to moral development Israel moral development is not higher than that of Palestine But their technological development, political etc is higher Or if the moral development is higher, they have a glitch level of racism that clouds their judgement If you de-humanize a group of people enough, they will start to be seen as something that even normal people would be fine with killing. Which is how you have Israelis being pro LGBT, pro animal rights etc yet for Palestinians they have genocidal views.

Why would an Israeli vote for Likud when October 7th happened under their watch is honestly beyond me..

1 side is trying to kill the other side for land and the other for survival Not the same situation This is not a typical war where 2 sides fight for resources or greed It is 1 side fighting for greed and 1 for survival Not to mention 90% of all human suffering has been on 1 side here That is why stage green peeps like me and raze get angry about it

To me Israel is mostly on the wrong here That is my understanding of it Not saying Palestine has 0 faults but on their side it is mostly stubborness and lack of realism than anything else You yourself have written long texts about how Israel has ethnically cleansed Palestine, manipulated western audiences into supporting them and that they are expansionist Even if I just go by what you have said it is enough to see the situation Your only legit criticism of Palestine as a whole entity I see is them being stubborn and wanting 1 state and all of that stuff which I wrote in my answer above You also criticised Hamas attacks but that is so common sense that it is bad I see no point to discuss it in detail

They illegally occupy it and terrorize it through settlers I said there are elements of Gazans that are Red and those are the ones you are talking about. I do not think they are a majority. The election was 20 years ago and basically everyone under 38 was not eligble to vote. That is like 60% or more of the population there. Therefore, I cannot take it into account. It is another generatation. If you did a poll of the current Gaza population that voted for Hamas it is probably less than 30% considering you also had almost half voting for the more moderate Fatah party which is stage blue imo.

What do you base that on? Or maybe we have different views of Stage Red To me Stage Red would be something like Mongols or the Internahwme during the Rwandan Genocide Basically a group of people that chop you into pieces, burn you alive for fun etc I do not see Gazans in general be like that For example Ben Gvir wanted to surround a prison for Palestinians with Crocodiles That is how a stage red mind thinks, it is gory, graphic, vulgar and flashy in violence A stage blue would be more like a bullet to the head type of killing. I am sure you have some which are very bloodthirsty in Gaza but I have not seen proof of the majority of the population being like that A few thousand celebrating out of 2.2 millions on dead Israeli bodis (which is awful) can be indeed stage red behaviour but I did not see most of Gaza do so Note: I am not saying most Isarelis are stage Red either, to me the center of gravity of that country is mostly Blue with some degrees of Orange and even Green. However their blueness is extremly toxic. Stage Blue can be very very bad, just because you are blue does not mean you are not genocidal psychopath Most Nazis were Blue "Also to say that Israel isn’t a democracy showing how delusional you are on this topic." To be fair I also include the West Bank there since there is the 2 tier legal system and illegal occupation and settlements If we talk about Israel proper I would call it a democracy (not liberal but democratic) However Israel goes beyond proper Israel so if I include those it is not democratic