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neither of those things are very impressive on their own. There are plenty of self made internet millionaire who are total scam artists.

I didn't say debate solves everything! But maybe in Leos case it would be as important or more important even for other people who follow him to listen to him debate someone, forget Sam.harris, just someone knowledgeable, or even just talk to someone else to see where he might be lacking. It can get pretty solipsistic when you're just watching one person talk against a black background.

there is something to be said about earning a doctorate degree for sure. Its not easy and takes dedication and discipline, and also then it's not just you saying hey I'm smart listen to me. We'd fall into chaos pretty damn soon without these types of credentials, if just anyone could say they were a doctor or therapist it prescribe medication. It also goes without saying that its not the end all be.all and there are of course corrupt doctors. But I wonder why Leo never debates anyone noteworthy who is in his field, he only monologues and talks to his followers on here who mostly have already drank the Kool-Aid. It would be interesting to see him debate someone like Sam Harris just to see how it went. I think its very important to debate with people who challenge you or you will never really evolve, you'll just coast on your unexamined unchallenged unconscious assumptions about things, I don't care how much self inquiry you do, you need to debate with people with other perspectives.

no, that's just what I call my penis;)

@Thestarguitarist14 ok guitar boy

"In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" I'm beginning to think this is what's going on here(on this site)

can't believe I'm doing this. Here. It was just a joke. No big deal. Sorry I couldn't be of more service guys. Cheers.

@Thestarguitarist14 ok, ill try to explain again then I swear I'm out. He said.he would try the books. You said don't do that you'll be 50 and suicidal. Then you told him to read books. Get it? He already said he was going to and then you said... fuck it. I'm out. ?

ok, y'all are fucking nuts. I'm bowing out of this thread haha

he said he'd try the books and the.methods and you said, 'no don't do that, use books and methods' essentially. I just thought it was funny ?

@Thestarguitarist14 lol did you just simultaneously advise him and try to talk him out of books and methods?

@StarStruck ill just say, I'm 35 and if I tried any of that pick up stuff on the women I date(not that I want to or would), it would not fly, they would see through, they would bail, as they should. Adults (over 30) should not be messing around with the things you're talking about, that stuff belongs in high school. For quality dating as an adult, the only thing to be is genuine. But starting from no experience I could see would be difficult.

@StarStruck I don't know, you just seemed younger to me. I actually don't know what to tell you. I don't really think about things the way you or people on this forum seem to. I would never let anyone talk to me like that. If someone said that to me in person it would take effort not to punch them in the face. All I can say is I do not recommend pick up stuff one bit, but regarding where you're at, I just don't know how to advise you. Best of luck to you. I say give therapy another go.

I agree, I was specifically referring to this I guess I should have included it before, I'm new to this.

@Carl-Richard having basic knowledge makes you a guru?

oh damn, I thought you were way younger. You absolute need professional therapy. No ifs ands or buts about it. The advice you're getting on here is not suitable to how old you are. You should never let people speak to you the way Leo did in here. Professional therapy, maybe meds. Trust me.

Leo, you talk about devils a lot, and I'm not sure what you mean by that term. You also say god is everything and loves everything so...is god a devil/the devil? If not does god love the devil?

how old are you? You may have said earlier and i missed it, but fairly young I'm guessing. All this shit in your mind is totally normal. That's the first thing. Now, you're referencing some very silly things. Nofap is silly, incel is silly, red pill is silly...all these things are constructs, totally not real in any way. Its healthy to jerk off. And instead of incel you can just say virgin, its not some new thing. Remember girls are just as fucked up as guys. The girl you're seeing is lost in her own confusion which is just as out of touch with reality as yours. To be honest, she kind of seems like she sucks anyway. There's no great way to deal with the angst you're going through other than to.go through it. I recommend meditation. But it won't solve your problems, nothing will, ever. You don't have to fix anything.

what makes Leo a guru? Because he's said he's one? Forget the word cult since it's so triggering. Trusting something anyone says merely on the grounds that it's them saying it without looking into it yourself is not good. You can't believe nothing Leo says could possibly be baseless just because he says he's a guru or whatever. That is dogmatic.

I'm perfectly calm. But assuming Leo is always correct or that his arguments can't be baseless is just as bad as assuming the same about Harris or Peterson. That is cult mentality.

I think its also a mistake to assume Leo knows better than us.

I'm not bullying, I'm calling out what I see. He came off as a homophobic jerk. I'm the same age as Leo and if one of my friends were to talk like that I probably would stop hanging out with them. Also I'm just saying maybe he's not the best person to be asking for advice on the subject because he didn't have experience at that age, and seems maybe he doesn't have much experience to this day to be honest.

i mean, you dissed Sam about being "self appointed"...did someone else make you anything you now claim to be? What are your credentials?

I honestly don't care about either of them, I was merely arguing your point about being self appointed. But how can we be so sure YOU have these understandings, just because you say so?

in other words neither of them are self appointed, and that's just the argument you were making. Seems you are actually the one who is "self appointed".