Moksha

Who is this "brother" you keep talking about?

I see it in terms of freedom from conditioning. The more we identify with conditioning, the stricter our path becomes. As we free ourselves from conditioning, more paths open to us, into infinite expression.

Every expression, including this one, is an illusion. We get it. Nothing wrong with still enjoying the dream, lucidly.

I am thankful to people like Tolle and Alan Watts for their teachings, but they can only take you so far. At some point, you have to lay the teachings down, and dive directly into yourself.

Do you resonate with different levels of vibrational frequency? For example, Consciousness in a rock, vs. Consciousness in a tree, vs. Consciousness in a Mooji. Maybe "highest" doesn't feel right, because it implies superiority, which is always egoic.

Nothing ever happens in the Transcendent dimension, because it is changeless. Why do you think "you" and "I" are having this conversation? We are Consciousness too, just in different states of awareness. We created ourselves for a reason. Changelessness is so...changeless.

It is just you, but it creates the diversity of dreams, by segmenting itself with illusionary time and space, within itself. Form is nothing more than localized Consciousness. Localization is only possible when there is the idea of time and space.

The best middle-man is the one that points, then gets out of the way. Remember that there is no context in the Transcendent dimension, only in the infinite dimensions of form

I hear you. If you look at the research, most people have at least one awakening experience during their lifetime. Many have multiple awakenings. Enlightenment is when the awakening is so ego-shattering, that your spiritual eyes stay open, even within the dream. When that happens, you will know, and nothing anybody tells you to confirm or deny it will make any difference.

I wonder how close it is to enlightenment then. I can't extrapolate to other realms, but in this realm, lucid dreaming as Consciousness is the end of suffering. The Buddha seemed to see all realms, but maybe he limited his teachings to this realm intentionally.

Every form is inevitably transient. The only changeless reality is the no-thing that was never born, and cannot die.

@James123 The Mystery is the entanglement of no-thingness with thingness. Consciousness is no-thing, but it localizes itself with time and space, creating the infinitely diverse illusion of things within itself.

Psychedelics are like mini-catastrophes to the ego. I can see why psychonauts ride them. I hope it ultimately helps them suffer less.

@Javfly33 When you get it, you won't have to ask others if you are right ?

@ajai ? ?

I've heard Tolle describe his awakening, and you are 100% correct. It was violent ego death. Awakening isn't always catastrophic like this; it can also happen as a long, slow, intensely suffering burn, that finally collapses the structure of your egoic self. Even then, you still have to toss the remaining timbers of your conditioning, one by one, into the flames. Judging anyone's spiritual journey is usually the act of a fool. It is typically hypocritical of the ego, to judge someone else for not being free of itself.

Hi @ajai, I only directly realize Consciousness as Love. As a pointer, I understand dharma to be the intent of Consciousness.

@deci belle The dharma of buddhas is love. Don't make the mistake of dismissing what I have said as aesthetic fascination. There is nothing more beautiful than Consciousness realizing itself. To dismiss this realization, and its expression, as "boring" is to paint a giant target on your ignorance. If you have seen spiritually, you understand that Consciousness is love. It is not a mere virtue, it is its holy self. I have realized myself, and you, as Consciousness. And yes, we are beautiful.

@Osaid @Inliytened1 Awakening vs. Enlightenment.

I don't feel Tolle, Sadhguru, or Mooji are a joke.

Read this: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en&tab=wm#inbox/FMfcgxwKjnVHHhWNWtSGwxNRCFmKgrZB

@Gneh Onebar Does the realization that he is god make him feel special? If so, it isn't a realization.

Maybe there is no highest level, only the collapsing of the infinite dream levels, into the singularity that is Tat.

@Inliytened1 ??