Moksha

Just for fun... Awareness is the stream and consciousness is the localized current within the stream. The banks and rocks are the cosmos.

Even within human experience, there are different frequencies of awareness. For example, the Hindu model is 3 tiers: 1) Tamas - torpidity, darkness, depression 2) Rajas - activity, energy, desire 3) Sattva - clarity, purity, love The absolute is beyond all states, but interesting to see how it progresses in realizing itself.

@Breakingthewall Lucid living is infinitely deeper than the mind realizes. Freedom from suffering is only the starting point. The cosmos flows through you, at the highest highs and the lowest lows, without resistance. I'm not into symphonies so much, but I will never forget listening to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. It was an awakening within itself. Navigating the dream in the flow state is like that, only on an infinitely vaster scale. The treble and bass notes of maya are supremely vibrant, beyond anything that was possible when the absolute misidentified with the mind.

Even now is partially an illusion. It's true that the absolute realizes itself within it, but ultimately it is beyond time. There is no absolute past, present, or future. Now is only the expression of the cosmos, and even it dissolves when time, matter, and energy collapse. The absolute is within the cosmos and the void, but beyond both. Realize this and the attempt to understand the mystery beyond direct experience is Don't worry about the absolute getting bored.

Instinct and thought are both biological, but instinct has the benefit of being wordless. The vast majority of life is closer to the absolute than most humans because of this. The absolute has the capacity to realize itself more deeply through us, but at the price of being entirely entrapped.

He was beyond turquoise. Call him any color, and he would laugh.

@Jo-Niet The absolute takes the depth of each realization by testing its expression within the cosmos. In other words, the proof is in the pudding. Realization requires the absolute price of surrendering identification with every desire and every fear. When you sacrifice the self on that altar, the light of the absolute will flow through you without words.

Regardless of religious tradition, mysticism is the direct path to releasing every identification, including the idea of being a mystic. If you want to compare it to colors, it is white, it is black, and it is beyond both.

Hey don't dis the Nahm. He is sincere, as I'm sure @Jo-Niet is as well. Sincerity is the path of the absolute to itself, however unique it may be.

@Carl-Richard @BlueOak You are both pointing to a realization which seems to be endemic to the awakening process. The absolute realizes some distance from the mind, and the mind responds with a thought, "I am awake!". Deeper still, and the mind responds with a thought, "I am more awake!". Deeper still, and the mind responds with a thought, "OMG even this is still a thought!". Deeper still, and the mind responds with a thought, "HAHAHAHAHA!". Literally every thought is egoic. It is the most hilarious journey into the absolute.

See what you did there? Words can only point to absolute truth, and most of the time they misdirect. I can say the absolute that is the essence of this form is shining toward the absolute that is within your form, highlighting the misidentification and soothing you to let it go, but these are only words. You have to see beyond them, within yourself, to the barricade which is keeping the light from consistently flowing through. Suffering is a double-edged sword. Either it strengthens the attachment to the mind by increasing the desperation for external relief, or it deepens the willingness to let the mind fly free, with only the thinnest strand connecting its kite to you. The door demands absolute surrender to the absolute, and when it happens you will be flooded with light.

Is it possible you are judging Leo just as you are accusing him of judging others? For all you know, 5-Me0 has helped him realize the absolute within. Just because it was ineffective for you doesn’t mean it must be so for him. The absolute finds its own path to itself in each of us. Maybe both of you are imposing your path on others instead of encouraging them to discover what works for their unique inward journey.

All words are thoughts, concepts, and ideas. Look beyond the words to the direct meaning. You’re right that this is only possible when the mind is silent. Now practice it. The mind is incapable of comprehending or describing the absolute. Direct knowledge comes through the deepest surrender of identification with the mind. It demands humility. Until you let the mind go, the door to the absolute will remain closed, no matter how fiercely you try to break it down. It is you that must break before it opens within and the light of your true nature floods through.

It's why you can't judge the journey of others based on your own experience. For Leo, maybe getting to this level of awakening requires 5-Me0, while for others it is a different path. There's nothing wrong with sharing what has helped you realize the absolute, but if you have truly realized the absolute, you know that the inward journey is always unique.

Before asking directions, decide where you want to go. If by "Conscious direction" you're referring to realizing the absolute within, there are many here with maps, but ultimately it's your journey. Each step is your own, and none of us can take it for you. My advice is to enjoy each step, instead of hanging your happiness on reaching the destination. You may just discover yourself in the process, before you get to where you thought you wanted to go.

Everything that happens must happen. Absolutely, there is no judgment. Relatively, there are consequences.

The absolute infinitely imagines and dissolves points of view within itself. All of them are the absolute but none of them is all of the absolute.

Are you sure?

"Am" is truer than "I Am".

Socrates was correct that the human mind knows nothing. Through it the absolute can realize what it is not, but it only realizes itself directly. You are conflating direct knowledge with the false idea that direct knowledge is only possible within one form. Awakening is seeing the sameness of the absolute not only in this form, but in and beyond every form. I see the sameness of my essence in you, and beyond you. I see it in the tree outside my door, and beyond the tree. If you don't, eventually your essence will. It is all absolutely the same.

The noggin is a supercomputer for scanning, processing, interpreting, predicting, and manipulating phenomena. It just needs to stay in its lane. Solipsism is the myopic belief that you are the sole avatar of the absolute. It is partially right, but fails to see the absolute within and beyond every form.

Exactly I don't get into epistemology much because it so easily tumbles minds down the rabbit hole, but if you're going to think about anything beyond survival, it might as well be epistemology. Well, except for quantum and astrophysics... I reject nothing, except the futile attempt to understand the absolute, beyond direct knowledge. I don't care how advanced your brainform is, it will never grok the silent mystery of the absolute like direct knowledge does. Even the word knowledge is misleading, it is more like light resonating with light.

Despite the epistemological solipsism than runs rampant here, the relevance of other dreams is that the boundaries between "yours" and "theirs" begin to dissolve. It is all the same absolute realizing itself within apparently different forms, and each realization is a ripple in the cosmos of itself. The absolute transfigures a form, and shines through it to help itself transfigure other forms. Enlightenment is a strange loop cause-and-effect intersection of the absolute with the relative.

Does any form really matter? Apparently, the more evolved the form, the deeper capacity for the absolute to realize itself within it.

@Enlightement The absolute is the essence of every form. The more evolved the form, the greater its capacity for transmitting the light of the absolute, but also the higher the threshold. If evolution got the human form this far, imagine what is possible in the future (if we don't destroy ourselves first), or in forms on other planets? It would be the height of anthropomorphic arrogance to claim that humans are the most evolved forms in the cosmos.