Moksha

Good to see that my friend's wisdom still lives, even across the chasm. Miss you Champ ?

In the flow state, sharing insights can actually transmute to realizing insights. It's one of the best qualities of spiritually engaging with others. As the saying goes, the teacher learns more than the student. That said, I'm realizing it's important to gauge what you share to what is actually needed at the time. People are in different states of awareness, and will respond accordingly. The same has proven true for my own spiritual deepening. Something that was incoherent at an earlier point in my life suddenly becomes luminous. Align the lesson with the learner. The most apt will learn directly from silence, which is not the absence of words, but the being of spirit. If you have to settle for words, that's fine too.

Synchronicity speaks volumes

Beautiful analogy. The same is true for gold, which regardless of its shape or setting, remains pure gold.

It's one of the benefits of being essentially timeless ⏳

A good amount of appreciation was recently shared here. Just letting you know so you don't think the forum goes unappreciated. It's my favorite cyber-crucible.

You don't have to physically meet them to communicate with them, resonate with their living essence (regardless of their form status), or directly realize their sameness. Some of them can speak with you across millennia.

There are dualities within the dream, but the dream isn't real and is within the absolute. The Bhagavad Gita compares the cosmos to a necklace, which is worn by God. It is not a duality for God to wear a necklace which is made of its own substance; the separation is only apparent, not real. The absolute understands itself, but you and I are only its essence, within apparent forms. The human mind can't comprehend it, but the essence does. What I'm sharing is in all major mystic writings, and is my direct realization. I don't ask you to agree or disagree, I'm simply sharing and you can take it as you like.

Prayer is the absolute unconditionally resonating, in anticipation of a possible dream expression, or in the silent harmony of itself.

It's a sign of healing. People laugh when I analogize it to dissolving demons, but it's just like that. Or like a river current finally breaking through an ancient log jam that has kept it damned. The blocked energy from resistance is released, and freely returns to its unconditional source. It requires integrity and courage to let it happen, but absolute love reinforces itself when realized, and eventually becomes irresistible.

It was a genuine question. You referred to realizing dreamless awareness earlier and I was trying to clarify what you meant. As far as impossible division goes, we agree on that. How the absolute interacts with its dream is beyond comprehension, but people keep pounding their heads against the mystery as if they can some day solve it. They can't, you can't, and nobody can. It is only directly realized.

Do you believe the dreamless awareness changes?

Being in the flow state doesn't guarantee form happiness, but it does provide an absolute anchor, and enhances the quality of every experience that is unconditionally allowed.

Something worth pondering that I came across yesterday: To eschew unreality and seek the reality is scientific. Absolute truth is science fully realized. The IS becomes the OUGHT.

If not just everyone, but all this, has the same essence, labels (solipsism, selfishness, narcissism) are seen for the false conceptual boundaries that they are.

It's good that you recognize the apparent past and future as illusions within the dream. Do you also see the illusions of the apparent now? The absolute within and beyond all of this is unbound by the appearance of past, present, and future. It is timeless, motionless, and changeless. What appears to be happening now is also part of the dream. You mentioned the undreaming mind. That is the absolute, and all change appearing within the cosmos is only illusion, or the absolute appearing to be what it is not. It is not absolute reality.

Have you considered that living sanely (i.e., realizing what is happening in this moment rather than denying it), provides perspective, creates freedom to respond rather than react, and enhances the quality of the life experience?

@Breakingthewall Let me try this, because it is closer to how I see it: it would be better to say that reality is a mind that can imagine everything. what the mind imagines is the same as the mind, that is, it is a form of the mind. If the mind does not imagine anything, it is nothing, but it is. it's you. then, the absolute is you. immutable because it is always you. mutable because you constantly change shape You see that the mind imagines (mutability), and also that the mind does not imagine (immutability). This is what I mean by relative reality and absolute reality. In your language, imagination occurs within the mind, but it is not the encompassing mind that does not imagine.

So you believe that all of reality is illusion. Or all illusion is reality. That's cool if you see it that way, but I see absolute reality beyond the dream.

@Water by the River Well said, and an apt koan ? Before frog, still pond. After frog, still pond. Beyond pond, I. @Breakingthewall It's true that science is an accumulation of ideas, but even children's games have rulesets. Science is based on phenomenal observation, and the derivation of laws which seem to govern it. Do you put any stock in quantum physics and astrophysics as helpful in understanding the nature of the cosmos? Do you see the cosmos (time/space/matter) as being relative, depending on the perceiver? If so, do you see the possibility for a reality that is not relative, but absolute?

Have you considered that there is absolute unchanging reality beyond the transitory form and formless states within the dream? Whether it is the expansive cosmos in all its glory, or the unfathomably dense particle following the cosmic crunch, it is all still dream. What is beyond the dream?

That's precisely why silence is so powerful. It communicates beyond thoughts, which are always endarkening. There is nothing so silent and penetrating as pure light.

@thierry Rumor has it that God loves to dance ??

It depends on the state of the aspirant. Some respond well to subtlety, others require being hit over the head by a sledgehammer. It's why gurus vary so much in their methods of teaching. I agree with Ramana Maharshi on silence being the purest language, unfortunately there are so few people to hear it.

Congratulations on scratching the scratchless surface of the Mystery.