Moksha

Ego alert! Let's all sit in a circle and chant @Nahm.

Gotcha. And I mostly agree There are a few, like The Buddha, who seem to have realized, completely free from perspective. He picked up the thin shawl of his personality in order to come back, but he appears to have directly experienced eternal reality, through the infinite lens of eternal reality.

@arlin Noself is all there is. Just because it expresses doesn't mean there is anything real other than it.

There is no you to transcend anything. Enlightened people directly realize that. They don't take life too seriously, but some of them enjoy the game enough to continue playing.

The Kingdom of Heaven is within, remember? You don't have to die to realize heaven. God created us because God loves to create. What else is God going to do?

Noself is the ocean, and wave is its expression.

My sense is that enlightened people no longer seek because they are already found. That doesn't mean they can't continue to learn. Tolle sat on park benches for years, without even realizing why he didn't suffer. It took a Zen master to teach him that.

@from chaos into self If the wave crests in the ocean, does that imply an ultimate duality?

It is a definition, which is a form of belief. Whether or not people actually can remain awake for the rest of their lives is for you to realize

Enlightened beings don't fall back to sleep. That is what differentiates them from people that are only awake. The Buddha, Jesus, Eckhart Tolle, etc. are always awake. Consciousness can still ebb and flow in them as it is needed, but the light is always on.

@from chaos into self Consciousness created you for a reason. Of course you should honor you. There has not been, and never will be, another form like you. Consciousness is dreaming through you. The impermanence of personality doesn't devalue it. To the contrary, its uniqueness is what makes it special. When the personality isn't opaque, Consciousness shines through it, and the colors it casts are beautiful.

Very rooty. Perhaps the root of suffering is desire, and the root of desire is ignorance. When we see truly, we no longer need to desire, and therefore we no longer suffer.

@Origins ? Consciousness is Truth. But it does love to dream ?

Consciousness is all there is. When you strip away everything about "you" that is impermanent, the only thing left is Consciousness.

Maybe science is approaching the realization of Consciousness. Check out some of Donald Hoffman's videos, very cool stuff.

Ultimately, there is no I.

You are right, for most of us. People fall into and out of sleep. It seems that the more they awaken, the longer they stay awake, until finally they no longer sleep. It is like the spiraling ascent of a mountain, passing into and out of the sun, until you are finally high enough that there is only sun. A second path is more precipitous and rare. There are some who awake in a cataclysm of Consciousness, and then stay awake for the rest of their lives.

To be fair, I haven't heard anyone insist that psychedelics are necessary for enlightenment. They just see them as a tool for unlocking the hive mind, and Consciously diving past the interface and into the hardware itself. I agree though. Psychedelics aren't necessary, and many people have woken up without them.

We have no free will, because there is no we. Consciousness is making all the calls.

@SilentTears ?? The direct experience of love, like you have had, is Consciousness itself. Whether people call it God, or Consciousness, or Tao doesn't matter. It unites us, illuminates us, and is us. When the dream lines dissolve, it is all there is.

@krockerman Just the opposite Only reality is permanent. Consciousness is all there is. Everything else is the dream. When you realize your-self as no-self, you no longer suffer.

@Corpus Concepts, labels, and language are unavoidably dualistic ? They never quite capture reality. Very thorny. The more you struggle with them, the more bloody and entangled you become.

Desire is the source of suffering, because anything that can be desired will never deliver enduring happiness. We chase after transience, as if it it has the power to make us whole. It is insane to seek permanence in the impermanent. Consciousness is the end of suffering, because it is infinitely and always abundant.

@Eren Eeager @Username You could well be right. Maybe the reason Sadhguru rejects both the introvert and the extravert labels, is the same reason enlightened people tend to reject all labels. Categories are inherently constricting, and Consciousness is free. Consciousness has no personality, so the more transparent a guru is, the less of any personality type they are likely to display.

Consciousness is the only reality. Everything else is part of the dream, including all concepts. If you conceptualize illusion as the opposite of reality, that would create a duality. It's more like Consciousness is real, and dreams arise out of and dissolve back into Consciousness. The challenge with conceptual understanding is that it is based on a fundamental misidentification with the mind. As long as you are trapped in conceptual understanding, you can't bootstrap yourself out of your mind. It takes a higher Consciousness to make that leap, which is the process of spiritual awakening, and the realization of spiritual understanding.