Moksha

Yes, very possibly I am just pointing beyond the no-one Consciousness outside of us (which is what solipsists see), and underscoring the every-one Consciousness imbuing each of us (which is what idealists see).

I am saying there is no-one outside of me, experiencing itself through infinite expressions of me.

I agree. My sense is that ultimately science and spirituality will realize. Probably not in this lifetime, but the particle acceleration is increasing, and I will be here when they ultimately collide. What a fucking fireworks display that will be. ?

Destruction is the necessary path to realization. The star has to fall before it dawns. Meanwhile, stargazers can honor the journey, while experiencing the dawning of themselves. I do get what you are saying, and I qualify this with the caveat that torrential destruction is beyond the scope of a forum like this. What I saw so far didn't strike me as torrential, but it is not my call to make.

Black holes are a portal to the whole

Unless Consciousness, mysteriously, is actually infusing itself into every form it creates. Which it is

My sense is toward inclusion, even disruptive inclusion. There are rare outliers, but unless there is perpetual, deep disruption, I say let them stay. The disruptor is experiencing the results of his disruption. That itself can be educational, with enough accumulation. The ego tends to suffocate itself, given enough expression. The disruption is a gift to us, too. It is a foil, or a mirror, for our own spiritual development. It is easy to love people with little ego. Growth needs resistance; let this be a spiritual gym for building muscle. ?

This is true. Also, it is inevitable. The world of form demands duality. There is a necessary polarity in all things. It is not like God can choose only love, beauty, and order in the world of form. There must also be hatred, ugliness, and chaos. Each necessitates the other. Even at the polarities, God still infuses everything. The joining of nonduality with duality collapses into the incomprehensible reality that is God.

You can see it, with spiritual eyes. The dream senses recede, loosening perceived cohesion of the energies defining each entity, and you realize the lively spiritual energy connecting everything.

This is a key insight from Elan, that I have been trying to communicate, with less eloquence than him. Some of us here have realized who they are not, but have not yet realized who they are. They realize unmanifested Consciousness, but have not yet realized the joining of unmanifested Consciousness with manifested Consciousness. The individual is the paradoxical point where the transcendent and relative dimensions intersect. It is Brahman embracing Atman, within the world of form. Perfectly not understandable. It is a trap of the mind. Don't fall for it. This is precisely the Mystery of God that the Tao Te Ching warns us about. How can timeless, infinite, reality intersect with time, space, and illusion, without losing integrity? How can enlightenment be a process, constrained by sequence, if Consciousness is inherently unconstrained and beyond time? This is why it can only be directly realized. There is no name, concept, math, logic, or philosophy capable of capturing it. Art, music, poetry, nature, and inner exploration are better pointers, but even they can only point. The cosmos is not only an illusion. It is the holy joining of illusion with reality. Consciousness, as nothing, infuses itself into everything. Nihilism and solipsism only see part of the face of Consciousness. They are missing the most beautiful part, which is the spiritual communion of Consciousness, connecting all of us and all things.

That helps, thank you @Haumea2018. My sense is that personalities can be somewhat fluid across categories, depending on circumstances and the individual, but the underlying processes are helpful for introspection.

@gettoefl @Beginner Mind ? I forgot one creature: the @Nahmtopus. ?

Intelligence, as any other force, is neither inherently good nor bad. Like attention, it magnifies what it touches. Focused on illusion, intelligence entraps you further. Focused on reality, intelligence intensifies the light of Consciousness.

Thanks all, after reading through some of the descriptions I'm even more confused. https://personalityjunkie.com/09/infj-vs-infp-enfj-isfj-emotions-judgments/ If I had to order by function, for me it feels like: Introverted Intuition (Ni) Extraverted Intuition (Ne) Introverted Feeling (Fi) Extraverted Feeling (Fe) Introverted Thinking (Ti) Extraverted Thinking (Te) Introverted Sensing (Si) Extraverted Sensing (Se) The intuition thing is confusing me the most, because internal vs. external feels like a false differentiation. I experience it as all the same.

Looking at the descriptions of Ni, Fe, Fi, and Ne, I am definitely Ni and Fi. Maybe that's why my J/P are closer, compared to the other 3 dimensions.

Having a personality type is different from identifying with it. Enlightened people have personalities, too.

Conceptual profundity is self-contradictory. There is no truth in concepts (including this one). Spiritual profundity is directly experienced, and difficult to describe with words. In other words, don't try discovering profundity outside of your own direct experience.

Adding a question to the mix: Have any of you noticed your personality type change as a result of your spiritual journey? I have been an INFJ most of my life. Just took the test and I'm now an INFP (although J/P are closer than the others). I think the change from J to P is mostly because I am less hard on myself than I used to be.

Gurus can be any personality type. This may be the most common though:

Now you are speaking my language Good luck on your spiritual journey.

@BipolarGrowth No dogma here, just direct experience. Any belief is just that. At best, it can point you toward the experience, but it can never be the experience. Lies don't become truths when they are revealed. They dissolve. If you have directly experienced God, you realize that it is infinite love, wisdom, light, and intelligence. These are God. These are you. There is no need to be a sixth density wanderer when you are already God. ?

Good catch. Don't think the answer, realize it.

The ego is the lie. It thrives on comparing itself to others. Don't let it fool you. It will always disappoint you. Diversity is its illusion. Love is its nemesis. You can still be Conscious in the dream, just don't identify with it too much. The Christ that you are is infinitely more beautiful and unconditional than anything you will find in the world of form.

Wake up ?

I feel that karma is simply the accumulation of our attentions. If we attend to the world of form, we identify with it and through it, and thus we magnify the ego. If we attend to Consciousness, in ourselves and in others, we magnify the light. Consciousness and unconsciousness are both contagious. It is attention turned inward, or outward, magnifying whatever it observes.