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Yeah and catch - 22 makes us go around in circles and bang ourselves out of it eventually. It's a way of guiding us home. If you have low self esteem for example and try to change it - the catch 22 is that you belive that you can go the opposite way and pretend that you don't have it, yet as long as you have low self esteem, you can't. The problem is the solution which means that you just have to trancend the problem entirely and pursue real growth where you just don't give a fuck, and in order for that to happen - a part of you must die! You must go full circle! You must be okey with having low self esteem and when you're okey with it - you don't have low self esteem. @Parki

Okey so this is getting kind of spooky now. Time and time again I hear the message from the girls I've daited and other folks ( honestly mainly girls) that I should love myself and be fine with myself before getting into a relationship. The last time someone said this was 10 min ago and it was my ex long distance GF. It was honestly a piece of advise I didn't expect or wanted becuase it's scary and I can't wait to love myself, I mean come on. XDXD My main objections is A: How the fuck is that gonna happen? What if I never love myself and who the fuck does? And B: I want a gf and sex now now now I don't want to wait til I am fixed and love myself. That's scary. Idk fellow peeps. This was really fucking scary advise to get. It was as she saw me right through and In a way I think she is right. What do you guys say? Should you work on loving yourself before getting in a relationship or should you go for a relationship? I kinda feel like a relationship will cure my self love problems but it probably wont. Note: of course I want to work on self love no matter what but do I really have to wait for relationship? @Leo Gura @bejapuskas

Yeah for sure!! Will look into them all. Thank you! This was what i needed to hear. Thanks man!

I have tried 1: self compassion meditation for couple of months ( 5 I think) 2: Meditation for 1 and half year 3: Therapy multiple times. 4: implementing habits to better take care of myself ( putting limits to working and integrating play) 5: Being more vulnerable with other people and showing my emotions ( tried to show me without the mask) 6: Tried to integrate my anima ( feminine side) by applying conciousness to my reactions when reading things that girls have said/ written. 7: Told the truth to my long distance GF that I don't love her, and that just a part of me loved her because it wanted her love. @flowboy

@StarStruck Just have sex bro. I mean what's the point of to even date when you're on celibacy munk mode? Let it go. Sex is okey - you wot die. What's the scariest thing about having sex with this girl? What will hapoen if you have sex? Life is not all or nothing. You having sex one day will not fuck up your healing - in fact it might do the opposite.

@Gabith Yeah XDXD So what happens if you act? Are you detached then? A video that just popped in my head is Leo's fake growth VS real. If you're doing the opposite you litterly have to not care and pursue real growth - which is why faking detached in a way is the exact same thing you're already doing.

If I where you I would contemplate why it works. That's what I'm gonna do XDXD Why does telling a woman that you have a small dick and then being okey about it attract her? Think about that.

Yeah I know. It honestly is really tough to feel like you can't love yourself discouraging to feel like I can't accept myself, which is the thing I am trying to accept that I can't accept. It feels like a hoplesscyckle.

That's an AMZIN insight really. Thank you Preety!

Well it depends what one means by a point. Of course there are kernels of truth that can be found in the Incel/womandaiting strategy. On the other hand - based on that WDST use the same rhetoric as Incels, both must be super wrong because both belive that they are victims and oppressed by the other one which can't really be the case. They both oppress themselves. What do you say? Do they got a point?@Parththakkar12

This is the most fascinating shit I have heard in a while. It's litterly the exact same rhetoric as Incels.

That's cool! Do you have any idea how you want to do it? Do you want to use art, create videos, public Speaking?

Source?

I don't think we are supposed to " heal " them. They are not ready and maybe need 10 more lifetimes before they even can be helped or healed. " Letting" them do their thing and come to their own conclusions is in my point of view the only way forward. We can't stop them from doing unconcious hurtful stuff and there probably is a reason for that. I mean we ourselves are here to learn by our ego and suffering - they can't be the exception. This of course doesn't mean that we shouldn't try stop/ prevent them and lock them up/ try our best to help them ( In a way that is reasonable)... It only means that we need to focus on what we can control and what will help - and I don't think healing pedophiles and rapists is one of those things we can solve.

Let yourself feel what you feel

I remember that Leo mentioned in a video or something that he focused on busting a ton of limiting beliefs about himself when he worked on becoming attractive to girls. How did you do that? What was your technique? @Leo Gura

@Leo Gura I'm laughing aswell. It's actually really fucking funny Soooo... when is the how to get laid video coming out? I mean the need for Sex with a capitol S is pretty prevalent in the actualized community

@Preety_India You are amazing Preety. I got moved by your reply. I really appreciate it <3

I have a lot of them:@Preety_India I am too short I am unattractive Woman don't like guys Woman don't like/want sex Woman are scary and dangerous I am not masculine enough Woman don't like me Woman can't find short guys attractive Woman doesn't find men who are not alpha attractive. It's hard to get a relationship Woman are separate from me Woman judge me/ missunderstand me Woman are super picky I cannot fulfill the needs of a woman. Woman don't understand my struggle and don't care about me. Woman only hurt me ... And more Which all can sum down to I am unlovable and separate from the world + alone. I have a lot to work on XDXD

How detrimental was busting your limiting beliefs for your success in seduction? @Leo Gura

This sub forum happens?

Maybe you use the wrong modell for success... If you have a an active mind like the wind you SHOULD NOT, only focus on one thing because you're mind gets bored. Instead focus on a couple of things and start working with yourself, instead of against yourself. This was life changing for me.

@EntheogenTruthSeekerI am sorry that you had to experience that bro. You've must have felt really bad and misunderstood but, man I honestly don't belive you did anything wrong. I really don't belive that you did anything " creepy'. You seem like a cool and loving guy who cares about not only girls, but all the people. There is one thing I notice however, and that is a spiritual ego... look man. You will probably see this as hate or lack of openmindness and that I missunderstand you and judge you but this is what I feel and see - and if I where you, I would investigate it. Yey for openmindness right? Maybe I am completely wrong. I mean, I may be wrong. Who knows. If you feel like you're called to do it. Investigate it. Otherwise don't https://lonerwolf.com/spiritual-ego/ Here is an article about it. Again, I want to be really clear here I am not saying you should or shouldn't look into it. Hell - don't do it If you don't want to - but that is my advise for you. Do what you want with it. (: Good luck and lots of ❤❤❤ man.

I think it is beutiful and a perfect explanation of female sexuality.

@2neurotic4u This video might be life changeing for you... It's time stamped but watch it from the beginning. ( I haven't finished all of it yet)