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Interesting, thank you for sharing!

Does this mean that we attract a part of ourselves that we disown/ reject? I only attract girls who are depressed or emotionally Ill/ have a victim mentality ( learned helplessness). Does this mean I disown me feeling like a victim? Huh. Maybe, it's an interesting idea. @Gianna

Congratz in advance. How old are you? My best and worst year yet was when between 19-20. It gave me a lot of wisdom about life in so many ways.

Thanks for sharing this bro, it's super interesting. I think that this somehow is related to internal shame and that you cum becuase you envision yourself subconsciously to be that beta male that give her the money + that you now have got what you wanted... but only by creating a situation where she will give it to you ( paying). The same dynamic I belive occurs in voyeristic fetishes aswell where you get turned on by the fact that you now get what you want and the woman can't deny you that experience.

I´m working towards integrating my anima ( Spiral dynamics stage green) and I have noticed that I resonate a lot with Jordan Peterssens's take on feminism. I strongly contempt the idea of feminism as a means to justify that men and women should have equality in terms of outcome and I get triggered by the reporters and women in general who debate that this should be the goal. I AM ALL FOR EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY but I get so triggered by the entitlement that women, because they are the oppressed ones, should get quoted into different social institutions and that we should select people based on the idea of making everything 50 50 ( The victim mentality). Of course, there should be a representation of different folks in society and it´s good that more women get more power for the whole development of our species, but man, it is something about this, that puts me off ( It´s probably when thinking about it because I feel oppressed by a woman the same way that women feel oppressed by men) Here is a video that explains JP's take on feminism? Where are we wrong? what am I missing? The answers should preferably come from spiral wizards ( yellow and above) but all thoughts are welcome. I am anticipating a lot of green backlash as replies, and honestly, I welcome that. If you genuinely felt like this was the most devilish and sexist crap ever, please reply and tell me exactly how you feel so that I can practice loving and understanding ( your perspective) green without banging my head against the wall I would really appreciate it, Again what do I got wrong? What are my biases? Why can´t I stand spiral dynamics stage green? Or does Jordan Petersen have a point? I would love to hear your thoughts @Nahm @RendHeaven @Emerald @Leo Gura

The thing that you're missing is that most guys who suck with girls are either A socially unintelligent or B have low self esteem or C both. Guys who are all that and especially C ( those who have low self esteem) struggle to attract girls because they just are too insecure. I don't know how many times I've been rejected, solely for that reason. In that case, being social won't help you because girls view you as unattractive becuase guys like that are unsafe for women's survival. I like your perspective a lot. There are some real gems that one could find but also realize that attracting woman if you're an inseceure man is fucking hard... and that it's not an easy solution to the problem. It's just not " be more social'... like the experience of many men is that it is hard.... and not easy, and I belive most men who struggle with this just want that acknowledged. Not that they are right, but that it is hard.. at the very least for them. For guys who struggle with this it feels like a catch 22 that you can't escape from. You want to be confident in order to attract woman but you can't and therefor become even more anxious. When someone then suggests to be more social as an easy solution without trying to understand how hard it feels for for them, many men feel missunderstood, which makes the incel dynamic continue. @Emerald

I think you need to do more research into the problems men face with attracting woman. It's very easy to come up with a perfect solution for the opposite gender and to a problem you never faced yourself.

Wait so they should be mad at the patriarchy for sending weak men to war? How the hell does this solve their problem If anything - by that logic Incels should want them to send men to war becuase not sending them to war "creates" the problem of too many men ( if that's the problem narrative one wants to play) Is there something I am missing? Also, side note. It's very easy to say " be more social and all your daiting problems will be solved" Hell no they won't. That's like saying to a person suffering from a eating disorder to more and all your problems will go away. The problem is not, not being social per say. The problem is low self esteem, anxiety and depression.

You forgot rule number 1. Never listen to woman what they are attracted too/ how to attract them. This means that the statistics is not accurate either. Figure out what's true from direct experience.

The natural lifestyles

I remember Leo saying in a thread that personality is different from the ego and that we therefor could benefit from knowing our personality type. ( which implies that we all have one even if we are enlightend). Soo... what do you think sadhgurus personality is ( mbti, enegram, the big five ect) ? Did it change after his enlightenment? Is his personality fluid? Can he be whatever personality type he wants... how do you define a personality type of an enlightened being? ( I mean he doesn't even sleep lmao) Furthermore, what the fuck is the personality then if it's not the ego? Is it the higher self? ( I mean the thing that does not change). There are so many questions yet so few answers. I'm looking forward too hear your thoughts on the matter! (:

Thoughts about this approach?

That's a cool perspective because they talk about connecting to their true masculinity and inner aggression. Does green talk about that? The NTL is pretty stage green in general though so this could of be a reflection of that aswell!

Have you tested your IQ? Mind sharing? @ToaTokuchi

This is the most interesting thing I've read in a while! @RendHeaven Thoughts? Does this mean woman can understand men if they take LSD? XDXDXD

I want to learn more about the female perspective. Girls often talk about intimacy and how that is what girls seek.( almost like guy's sexual needs). What does intimacy mean? What does being intimate in a relationship entail? I am starting to realize that females don't actually want an asshole mean guy becuase those wont provide her real safety and intimacy. How is that notion ( safty) being connected to intimacy? Would love your gals perspective on this. @Preety_India @Emerald @Hulia @Etherial Cat

No worries. Hope you'll feel better soon!

@Lucas-fgm I feel you bro but regardless if they can't understand that or not, we as men can seek to understand them. See they may or may not underdstand men's struggles, we can't control that. Woman don't want an asshole, but they are attracted to them, just like men don't want a hot 10 psychopath girlfriend eventhough we might be attracted to her because she is hot. There is something core attractive in a asshole guy that makes them attractive to females but that doesn't mean that they want them. Ideally they want a feminine bad boy, like Damino in Måneskin that makes them feel safe. They want men who have integrated both sides!

@soos_mite_ah Thanks! This actually helps a ton i think. If I ever wonder something about what you wrote or your take I might shoot you some questions. You of course get to decide if you want to answer them or not. It can be hard to understand the female perspective, especially becuase females to men often are clouded by the sexual desire of girls which of course makes girls feel missunderstood and not seen as a person. I'm trying to trancend that so I appreciate all the insights I can get!

Thank you! Furturmore I sometimes hear you make an anecdote that females desire masculine containment, almost like that the masculine is a shell for the femine to exsist in. How is this related to intimacy and female sexuality? @Emerald

Go for it!

Yeah a lot. I call this I am above that/ over that bias XDXD

Agreed! (: This is all I wanted. Thank you. It felt like you thought that I wanted to preach and not help you/ wanted to hurt you. This makes me feel understood!

Oh you mean it like that. I thought the meems where for shit and giggles XDXD. I am sorry if that's your experience, it's not what I am trying to do. I am trying to help you but it's very hard to help you when you don't want to listen and instead say that I am preaching when I give you my perspective and what I genuinely belive would help you. You don't have to consider it as true or helpful but realize I am not trying to preach to you - I am trying to help you, and if someone would do that to me, I would be thankful, for whatever I got, eventhough it might not be helpful. You're the one asking for help here and then when you get help you put your head in the sand and say that the other person's advice sucks and is preaching.

I'm the one to the right XDXD