Leo Nordin

@Vittorio I just saw your new post. You have a long way to go for awakening. Keep going you got the gist of it plus a lot of delusion but that's fine. I thought you were at the breaking moment to awaken. Good luck?

If you have awakened you should be able to maintain ecstatic states of being for a long time. And it will come naturally. Also you won't desire anything because you desire everything and you get everything so you're completely fulfilled. "I don't feel love, compassion and such, just blank "apathy", calmness, placidity, neutrality" There's a big difference between awakening and detachment from life. But if you are in apathy only about doing things then that's another thing. Also do you really want to get enlightened, even if that means death? Or do you want to experience enlightenment from time to time with lots of joy always in your day to day life. Isn't there anything you want to do for this world before you leave it? I now read your post carefully, you should not try anything with your mind trying to become unitive. "I can stop monkey mind in few seconds just by staring at it. Still, I cannot break through and I don't know what's happening." I don't understand, you shouldn't stop your mind or body consciously, breaking through is just letting go of body and mind? Not using it to do something. Your body/mind/energy should be as alive as possible but at the same time completely at ease. Did this answer anything for you?

@Vittorio what did you want insight on?

Do nothing but what your body / mind want to naturally. Don't have any grip on your experience of life, just let things happen and you will experience it to the fullest. Explain to me what advice you want, what are you suggesting exactly? If you want to do something on this world, eating survival etc. You can't be enlightened, but you can be pretty blissful. When you have awakened you can always let go of ego and experience bliss. Every now and then you might see a kid laugh his head of what is the energy that that children is giving in to at that moment? You need to give in to that too, always give in to what you are feeling (when not in survival situations) and you will create a pleasant experience for yourself if you become one with it.

@Vittorio hahahahah be lucky I am here, I have awakened recently. This is how I did it when I was ready. See if I tell you to sit down and do nothing, there is the body, the mind and energy. You can control all of them. So I turned everything off and you become a dead man, like an old man without any life energy left that rests all the time. Now It became clear how energy is created, so all the time I create energy and spend as little as possible for survival or "the greater good". You don't control anything, let your body and mind do what takes the least energy or willpower or what you will call it. Your experience of life will not be set to what happens only in the mind. Sometimes a thought or fantasy will come, your awareness will be a little everywhere. Your mind and body will definitely give you the most ecstatic experience because when the body/mind without spending energy will choose to give you the most pleasant experience. All you need to do is focus on energy which is not something you really focus on it's more what's there when you let go of suffering. It's not in the body or mind. I don't know how deep you can go, probably enlightenment and death might happen. I have things to do in this world so I haven't a single day been able to try and see how enlightened I can become. You laugh a lot and probably cry every day out of joy if you do this. You go deep into pleasantness. Did that do?

What the heck am I reading. Ofcourse your whole experience comes from within and all that you know is created there. Everyone knows that to some extent. You write it in such a way that unawakened people wouldn't understand and awakened thinks its bullshit to write it because it's obvious. Then every human creates a lot of suffering by themselves within themselves and it was completely their making. Me writing here is ego and suffering (same thing) and it is needed to do survival process and to be in the highest states of unselfishness. This is why saying everything is me is bullshit because it isn't in the interest of the reader, is it self satisfaction for you? Or perhaps you did this unselfishly for some higher meaning, I do not know. When you have awakened Survival and unselfishness is the only ego we tend to use? . Otherwise many have chosen to let go of all suffering and has gone so deep into ecstasy that you die, often referred to reaching enlightenment. Also everything isn't the way it should be. Yes in a way it is, life is what it is in your experience right now, when you are conscious you realise how you created this experience. Everything should not only be the highest experience for you but every human, most doesn't actually want suffering yet they created it. So everything shouldn't be the way it is.

@Barbara Best wishes yourself, thank you. Meet me in the future if you want to find out what were to become of our lives. I hope you can keep up with me?

@Barbara Thank you for your text. Also what would I fear with leaving school / family? . I quess my family will hate me for it and do anything to make it not happen, literally call the police, destroy my things, take my phone etc. I don't know how to handle this and my love probably won't reach them easily. That's why I haven't talked to them about it for a long time. Though I've hinted some to my mother. They don't know anything about life or spirituality and are very delusional and toxic. Any advice on how you would take it up with your family if you were me? Fear is self created, fear is an interesting feeling but I've had it enough in the past so I dont really allow it anymore. Fear was my most difficult obstacle to awakening. But the hardest obstacle was to find out what what awakening was. Took many many many many trials and errors. I awakened in less than 3 years after self awareness of all my thoughts. because of my rapid trials and errors. That's why I'm only 17 but has come far, I've always wanted to be happy as a child and I spend a lot of time trying to figure out life. Now I know so much that I have a strong clarity of where I want to go and and it's on almost every woken second during my days. Hope that inspired you?

Enlightenment is limitless and I don't think you can maintain it without dying because there won't be any reason for you to eat... I have awakened, so I not so much persue anything like that. I persue a life where I'll do the least that's needed to maintain my body in good health. Enlightenment feels easy because you just have to let go of all ego am I not right? When you are in the ecstatic state you can go deeper and deeper and enlightenment may come, I haven't had the time to try it out. Also I might not decide to become enlightened and instead do what I can for the world. Also to be enlightened I wouldn't create ego to write to you guys, because if I were in a enlightened state I wouldn't be here doing this. I am doing this because I see some worthwhile benefits for my future, ask yourself will what I have done still matter to me in 20 years? You atleest should do something that means something to you, otherwise what's the point. (just some simple advice for you whom may read this)

Haha yes, well written my friend. You know 2 years ago I wanted to quit school to so called persue enlightenment. But as you said at that time I was pretty far away from Awakening and highschool for me was preventing me from becoming enlightened. But as you said again it was based on "physiological problems" I didn't know my potential and to reach that I craved quitting. There is way more to it and whether I regret it or not I don't know. I was about to get signed off from the school at that time but in the last second changed school. Some months ago I awakened. My body is almost completely at ease all the time. I am the creator of everything and I choose my experience of life. I dont have any physiological problems when I let myself be in a ecstatic state. Not otherwise either because I chose the ego to do what's needed. This will become of major importance if you awaken, some that has gone into the bliss too deep really struggle to eat and do whats needed. This is why I believe enlightened people die, in India I've heard they chose to leave their body (die) when they are done in this world. Quitting is very bold but for me it doesn't seem like a big deal. Because I just do what needed for what will allow me to let go of ego more. First I need some kind of income to live on for gym showers, van for sleep/food. And if it doesn't work out I have 1-2 years to reapply for school and continue second year.

@Raptorsin7 Ik quitting is extreme and regret is very much possible. Yet it is "impossible" to be "enlightened" in school. I will spend some time with my ego and see how much I can surrender to my highest self in school until it becomes it's too much for the system. And if I'm not able to keep my ego up for too long then I'll quit. Maintaining ego I've realised is much easier the more into it you are. So I wonder what will happen when I use the least ego in school.

No I am not. "So you think I should allow myself to surrender right now during school lessons?" Was just a question towards what you think about it. Because if you said yes I probably wouldn't agree with you of you didn't have any good input. I have actually awakened rather recently so for me it's obvious that I am ready to surrender lol, hahaha @supremeyingyang It's a risk. If it will be a good choice or not I don't know, noone does. I can't look at other people and what their experience have been because they are not me. I have my own plans. Input from those who haven't awakened rarely help I have realised. I only know of 1-2 people who has awakened online. I thought thrre maybe were many here, I have another thread on this when I first awakened and the responses about quitting school were mostly, go for it. Though that didn't mean much of anything to me. I am only 17 years old, if I'll be ready to quit half way to 18 there's the choice of continuing to 18 to get my drivers licence. Then at the age of 18 there would only be 1 year more school and I would be able to get work about 2900$/month and save for stocks dividends and live of that if I choose to continue. This makes the choice rather difficult. Very much in the favor of staying. But I probably won't anyways. In 2 years is the last year I could reapply for school again for free if livibg by myself didn't go my way. That's my back up plan and I could easily support myself almost entirely with money for studying, which we get in Sweden 125$ and if apprentice and luck+free food 100$ extra. Plus family must I think by law support you while studying. So if everything with homelessness goes to hell I have an easy way back.

So you think I should allow myself to surrender right now during school lessons? That's the only time when I can't surrender, with people I can, but in school lessons it wouldn't be a good idea. Though when I'm about or close to quit school I'll surrender in school too. There's no need to hold myself back when I'm sure of the path that I'll take. Yes I experience that for a majority of my waken time. I just have to allow myself to, if t's easy. But not always suitable for the situations you're in. For example right now I am doing all I can for survival, trying to learn ways to make a living. That's ego but it was my choice because I need it.

@outlandish Good points there, to an AWAKENED being survival is an issue and should be handled as smoothly and efficiently as possible. This thread wasn't intended for this but here are some solutions (though a house would be much more convenient for the average man): Shower = gym membership / lakes Laundry = portable washer/or hand washing. Peeing easy, pooping (in the wild or in a bag? Lol) we have lots of places everywhere with toilets here so not a big problem. But still a little hazzle, though pooping you don't do that often, so this is probably fine. Robbed = who cares I don't own close to nothing anyways. Gps tracking for expensive stuff. Water = Will not take much time to fill up somewhere anyways. I would say the most difficult task for me... might be not to leave the van hanging and always transport it with you. Also to make food and contribute to the world. The van isn't a limitless space for creation. All these points are to be considered if you become a dropout on the spiritual path everyone! It may not be as fancy as you have imagined! I also will not make the decision before I have tested it for a bit to be sure I can live like this. @datamonster True, what I seek is no high paying job only the minimal amount of work for survival, hazzles from living cheaply included as work for survival. So minimising both, if I could I would sleep on a motorcycle no tent or home that's how far you can go with this. Very good point though, we will live for a hundred years who knows, spending a little time to set a good fundation for your life is very important. I wouldn't ever advise anyone who hasn't awakened or is close to drop out because of reasons such as mine. Seeking enlightenment or whatever the ego had thought of that they don't know how to do. Then it would be a much wiser idea to first figure out how to be then how to live. Getting educated to work and save money to live on stocks dividends in india for the rest of your life would be a sacrifice worth 5years extra work for you who are new to spirituality. Be nice to the thread and don't question or argue me. Instead it would be nicer to spread your knowledge and points to other who may be reading this. You can point out why what I say maybe won't be the reality but don't talk in a conversation towards to me, try to give what you can to the audience, thank you❤️?

How could you be a failure, what have you failed with, for me you are a great success because you're alive?. You're failing with being your true self, yes. But your thinking by being something else you will be happy, no. Realise that that is just a thought, hallucination or fantasy. You can truly enjoy who you are and how you are right now if you want to. But in a mind too indebted to ego this will take time to solve. How you solve this there is a million pieces of advice. I can name multiple and how to experience the highest states of living. But that is no good because probably only when actual survival is your only problem left in life then it's time to awaken or you have already awakened by then. We all experienced a long way of unleashing lots of ego and trying all the time to figure life out. If you want results you need to always try to evolve, not by doing, thinking and being the same way as before. But by changing all the time who you are... You just need to try and try and try, each time hoping you will get closer. Actually living to the fullest isn't that difficult. But who is ready to abandon ego and just soak into joy/energy and what you're consciousness really crave. You will be able to be outmost joyfull/ecstatic by yourself when you have awakened, now even eating will be difficult because you will have to use some energy to get up and eat... All of you will be focused into bliss/abandon of body/mind but not abandon of life energy, that you abandon close to death. There's so much to explain and talk about Awakening and how to get there, I can only gove you little advice, I don't have the time/will for more. So why do I do this when I can be at my best by myself? Because once you have everything only then can you be truly selfless. I do what is needed for the world. Which is my survival and the work towards every being being truly ecstatic. Once everyone is completely happy then my work is done in this world. Or once I decide to leave my body and become enlightened. Just try all the time to improve, however you can. Videos can help. Your entire experience of the world is within you as you know. So you are always alone, and how/who you are shouldn't be limited to a measly though or memory of experience. How you improve or upgrade yourself is all from within. So don't do it from the outside thinking external changes will fix all your problems and your experience of life. Though that will also be needed, just don't overvalue it or if you decide to do that. Then always learn when you figure out it doesn't work. That's my number one advice, always try to change/improve in some way and get a feel for what works and what doesn't work for you to become your possibility as a life. Then when ego is strong in one direction you will realise it isn't the right way to live and change, then when that doesn't work change again, and again, and again. For this you need to be life sensitive, have a good feel for your experiences of life and how you are like always right now in the moment. Limiting yourself from your true potential is needed sometimes. This is why survival will become a big problem for newly awakened people. For example going to school you can't be too happy otherwise they will kick you out of the classroom, but you need the class to et a job and earn enough for survival. Therefore you need to limit yourself but live as happily as you can within that system. Also don't take life to seriously or rather dont take your mind to seriously. You can't trust your mind because its very biased. Same for bodily needs, such as sex. Not the body nor the mind will in the end be the answer to the most pleasant ways of living. Sorry I wrote too much and so messy. Hope I didn't confuse or put some delusional ideas intp your heads. Learn about chakras, etheric body, sadhana, watch ego stages from actualized, watch sadhguru and do your best??

@IAmReallyImportant Glad we could be of help?, remember to be open about changing your identity and views on this world. Also wherever there is fear you need to gradually overcome thay to become a powerful authentic joyfull person.

@Yarco Thank you for all the time you've spend posting on my threads. I'm sorry I never had the time to respond to all your points because there was just so much to explain in response. My apologies, I don't have the time right now, I'll be very busy for a while. Though I carefully read through all posts during my threads so rest assure, I am not trying to dismiss anything, I am grateful for your precious time. This goes for everyone who takes to time to help me and others, thank you all sincerely.

Do not hold in emotions, the more you let go of stopping yourself from being your truest self the closer you are to enlightenment. It is just that you will fool yourself on the journey and therefore it will take time to get there. Also work and certain situations need you to hold yourself back to be able to make a living and not get into jail out of some stupid reason. When you get closer to the highest states of consciousness your body/mind will do what takes the least mental willpower. Your body will be very relaxed and you will laugh a lot for the smallest things. You won't use your body crazy because it takes mental willpower even if you thought you were being "yourself". When you give in more to your "truest nature" you will use your body/mind carefully. (this is what I think comes next, I haven't come to this point myself as of yet) Now there there may be something you want to do on this world before you leave it. It will probably manifest itself in the way that you do what is needed in the world. When everyone / everything is completely ecstatic and living life to the fullest then your job is done. You just do what is needed for A - your survival, B - everyones well being. This is what it means to be selfless, there's no gain in it for you because if you want to experience the highest states of being then you just need to let go of all ego and suffering. This is normally a very hard task to do for the majority of beings but it is just about learning what is the truest way of living and what is not. There is a lot of what is not. In the end it will be clear because you transcend or loosen the grip on human mind/body. It's the truest experience of living that you have had and that's called Awakening, then in the highest forms Enlightenment. Every time you feel lust towards something or crave a feeling or want love or whatever. It is just your body seeking these highest states of being. Which you might one day realise is within you. Is it not true you experience this world only from within? All of the world is created within you, you know the whole story, light reflects into your eyes to your brain... When you know yourself fully you will be in the control of how highly you experience life right now. Every feeling, craving and what not can be experienced and satisfied within you right now. A spiritual seeker seeks unity of everything and wants all pleasantness of which a human can experience. Creates the highest forms of consciousness within their experience of life and lusts to go even deeper to be even more satisfied. Untill Enlightenment happens and you feel completely satisfied and at ease. I hope this didn't confuse you.

I haven't ever been in states of consciousness more rewarding than that of letting go of suffering! And I can do it at any time! Maybe you're letting go of suffering only after the ego has a sense of accomplishment or similar. When you're living as blissfully as an awakened by realising how you create joy/energy and how you supress yourself from your full potential. Then it doesn't matter what you do with your mind or body because you won't be able to experience higher states of being. You just do what is needed for your survival and for the world, that's the most selfless way of living. No I don't have any life purpose yet. Will probably be to share my joy and do what's needed for the society, whatever that will be. I know the general direction of whats suits me as my life purpuse.

Awakening reasons, I will not discuss that here, please don't post more about it. This thread is not only for me but other youngsters seeking income too.

I have some electronics skills, I know a lot about batteries -how to source them and other stuff. Mostly ebike related, building custom ebikes may be an idea. Also I have knowledge in solar/wind power and bldc/dc motors / motor drivers. What kinds of manual labour? Paper boy?

I will start a new thread to get advice on how I may be able to make money as a 17 year old without an education.

I will start a new thread to get advice on how I may be able to make money as a 17 year old without an education.

If I get an opportunity for some kind of income I will quit school and become somewhat homeless living in a van. Then I will live in ecstasy/great joy for the majority of my time. I did not long ago awaken and I've worked for long on seeking truth and self help. I feel like I am ready to become a master of living and let go of the grip on my mind and my body. I can any time have the best moments of my life by just letting go of ego. Now im 17 years old and consciously sommoning ego to work in the system sucks. Homeless I am free, only need some time to prepare sleep, food and do a little work everyday. Then my 16h a day would be spent on situations where I can remain highly joyfull. Especially if my work is walking dogs or simimar. Homeless people get some money from the country here in Sweden to survive and a home if you follow a program to get work. There are no spiritual places to live for free and I want to work minimally. So going homeless to persue enlightenment, what do you say?

@Jo96 ❤️