Leo Nordin

@Nahm Nonono please don't do this, people might read these words and get the wrong idea. Other readers can easily misinterpret the meaning of these quotes. These quotes are very delusional even if not intended to be and some false depending on if it's intented to have a fixed perspective. Because they don't speak the truth and they make statements on how things work and what you have to do. A more appropriate way for example for the first quote. “You have to keep breaking your heart until it opens.” would be: - Whatever you do, you will keep breaking your heart untill it opens so just keep going. Think what the purpose of a post is. Like mine on this forum is mostly made only for all readers in a thread or a particular person in conversation with.

@jbeckk Yes I am creating the suffering. But you need suffering to complete school. Lol it's not an escape if pain is a choice. How can you ever escape something self created. But I get what you mean, still didn't all enlightened people escape large amounts of suffering. Sorry my posts gets messed by the system.

Sorry Nahm I wrote the most epic super long reply but it all go deleted. I did reply to all your points with brilliance. I've never conducted my sentences so well. I explained ego, needs and wants consciousness etc. My not only experiential but also intellectual understanding of these things are top grade now. What is hard about becoming enlightened? Are you sure it is harder than going to school, please elaborate;) also not exit society, I will be more involved then I ever was. @Nthnl Have you thought that if I just remain in high states experiencing life then what is there to regret. Ofcourse things may not go my way but people around me wouldn't let me die of starvation I don't think. I wonder. The only thing is why are you not focused, and what are you focused on. If this is a habit of yours maybe change up your life a bit to develop ahead of this habit. Torture is not a privilege, school is basically torture for most humans. It decids how they are like. Its one thing to decide what you do and another to manipulate how you are. This is obvious if you see the development of a child, happiness doesn't go up in the years in most cases. Then fundamentally something is wrong. See for yourself. So living in such a way may be a privilege and a curse. I am grateful for all that I have.

Haha, yes I just wonder if I am doing too much homework every day. Or if I even should use such unpleasant ego that I am using. Its not like I have done homework on my awakening. I just gone straight into survival homework. Which I am studying right now, and sharing knowledge for good measures.

I often am misleading when I teach or share knowledge. For me what you wrote is obvious but you wouldn't understand before awakening. The reason of activity is way different between an enlightened being and the common man. Though for me in enlightenment you leave this world. Awakened beings is my word for people like buddha etc. Your post is beautiful? Because what you say is true and you conducted your sentences well. If you want to share more knowledge here please do, the potential readers might benefit? By replying I intended new readers might join the thread. Though no one has as of yet. We have gone off topic.

I awakened some time ago, I am very young but had prepared my body/mind for awakening for a long time. Now I can let go of ego at any moment and experience life to the fullest. Tho this gave me a strong sense of the need to secure survival in such a way that it takes minimal effort and won't be disturbed by me living to the highest capability of the human consciousness. As we now ego is good only for survival. As of lately I've used a lot of ego almost all the time to develop knowledge to be able to make money on the go. I've had some anti ego backlashes and they have brought even more desire to use my ego even more now so that I don't need to later. What would happen if I let go of ego for a year, would I naturally attract enough attention to make money out of my work for the greater good, aka life purpose? Or is that not realistic. Because I deemed that a big risk and instead am using ego only to get knowledge for survival which is a very ineffective way to use your mind/consciousness. The safest idea might be to secure some kind of income that I can have on the go as I habe been trying to do as of lately. If I continue this path is it a good idea to use ego to the fullest or should there be some kind of balance that would be more effective. A day in awakened states of living I need 4-5h less sleep each night and now when I use a lot of ego I need a lot of sleep. Because I am stretching my minds capability in an unnatural way, with ego. When I live in ecstasy you do what is needed for the world aka the greater good. This is what I wonder after a year if people would be there to support my survival. So I have two questions, would I living to the fullest be supported after living for the greater good for a year? If not and I need to secure an income first, what's a good balance between high states of experiencing life and ego for survival?

"states of consciousness" is just me trying to use language with you. I dont get where needs or wants come in. You always live in this present moment. Is your experience pleasant or unpleasant, high states of consciousness refer to high states of living in the present moment very pleasantly. That's kinda what I wanted to explain, you cannot really explain the experience. I would give my advice, probably in terms of explaining how life works. That everything you experience is created from within. How if you master yourself as a life you will be in balance between the mind and the body and everything in between. That way stress fear anxiety anger or whatever you dont want won't be created within your experience of life. Etc... And spreading joy is easy when your blissful isn't it. I know. No I have already gone past this, I am not trying to solve this it's solved already. I was impressed by your dedication haha. I only see one awakening for me there is not being as awake as someone or less. I took it up to continue a discussion, I might have knowledge that you would benefit from?. You see when you have awakened often what you do on this world will only be what is needed. I wanted to see, are you doing this for the greater good of the world as the highest unselfishness with no real personal gain or fulfillment from it. Or are you doing all this work to get something out of it, because when you are experiencing ecstasy why choose activity over that, for your survival yes but then what. This is where gurus come in, serving the world. If you have awakened then you probably have way more knowledge than me because I only awakened as of lately and I am young. I am also Swedish and English isn't my first language do my vocabulary is way more limited then you would think. Language is a big part of this forum and the world, it is difficult to use language to explain things in a manner that fits a wide variety of readers.

My goal was always to feel confident however I looked. As long as I look socially acceptable. Took some time of self improvement but it was totally worth it. In the end it won't matter, if you will look better after a surgery that's nice. You will anyways have to remove all insecurities and fears if you want to experience life the best way possible. If this helps one stepping stone then do it. I just felt I should do it the right way and overcame it all. I couldn't have been prouder of myself. Today in not a long time ago I can finally experience the highest forms of happiness whenever I want to. I have awakened. Reason people aren't in this actual natrual state is because of all the fears etc.

People on here usually take every word I say very serious and try to snatch out how I am actually not awakened or something like that lol. Try to not make to many assumptions based on how I conducted my sentences haha. And yeah because people here fluctuate a lot in knowledge or experience this is common. Karma or the consequences followed by action will always be there. For everything you are involved in on this world this matters very much depending on what you are trying to do. The idea to choose between ego now and not ego later or never ego. Ofcource I mean limiting ego as much as possible. Will I have to use a lot of ego in the future or is an awakened person able to support his survival without it. I don't know the capabilities of my true potential but I know its way more than what I could do before. Interesting, please share an interesting response, arguments over every single detail isn't my thing. Thanks?

If you saw a student laugh/smile and not do any work all lessons or any engagement what would you do as a teacher? There is no need for activity in when in high states of consciousness. If I were to be engaged I wouldn't be engaged in the lesson rather in that which will help everyone in their futures or spread joy or something like that. I would just disturb the lessons. And I certainly wouldn't get a passing grade or enough attendance if I get kicked out. You have done 20k posts?!? On here. Dam hahaha, isn't it obvious to the awakened mind? Nahm have you awakened yet?

Lol hahah

It has done until now. Universe is good it's impressive how it does its thing uncouciously. Mayby I will just leave everything for a year right now, it's not like I am going to regret it. I can always go back to where I am right now but with less money. Do you want me to go for it? For the jokes, I can market myself with that if I become a guru in the future lol. You made me realise how it doesn't really matter what I do. I believe the value of living to the highest is way more fun and interesting. If I starve myself I can always go back or leave this world if I want to, but people will give me food before that. Hmm yeah why not disolve ego and go on a rampage lol.

How would you now, if its done unconsciously. What you call mind is just an accumulation anyways isn't it? Same as the body. If there is no body there is definitely no mind. You are always with your body, your hand is there. Even if you don't see it its there. In sleep maybe its not there but then there is no sleep also because there is just the experience of life that you have right now. What you call sleep is just your mind doing its thing. We can't think like this, it's obvious in the spiritual path that everything is consciousness in the end. Language is used to seperate things, there are flaws to language too. Let's not be litteral, we are anyways making distinctions here which is just our mind doing it's work. I confused myself with this text, hope you understood.

Enlightenment you give in to the full experience of life it's difficult to explain so I won't in detail. Any desire that comes you will experience instantly. The experiences will be the most profound and enjoyable that you have ever experienced and you can experience this whenever you want to. The thing is you can dissolve that which is ego, to realise what is ego and what is not is awakening because you now see what enlightenment and the opposite is. Now you dissolve that ego more and more and you go deeper and deeper, remembering your experience gets more difficult the deeper you go, its not like you go into sleep or not thinking or doing nothing. Everything just comes automatically which is most often a lot of ecstacy. You won't eat or do survival stuff so you might die if you sustain it. That's why people at this stage either die or do the greater good for the world. It's the most selfless thing you can do, when the whole world is amazing then your work is done on this planet and you have already experienced everything you desired so you would prabably leave this world. I dont know if you knew all this. I don't know how you corrolated death with enlightenment. Death is nothing, not even time, or I guess enlightenment might be death its just what you think the meaning of the word is. It doesn't really matter whether it means death in the end. Sorry if this text was meaningless to you.

Mind determines every action of your body doesn't it, then we also have instincts. It's not just thoughts and imagination. I think haha,

Isn't deep sleep death. Death is the opposite to the ecstatic nature of enlightenment. But death often comes as a byproduct of enlightenment. If you turn off the energy production in your consciousness you just get sleepy like an old man about to die. If you turn up the energy production and let your consciousness go on autopilot if you have developed yourself high states of consciousness is there.

I agree with everything you say it's almost all correct. But there is a lot of misunderstanding between you and me. Its easy to be blissful all the time you just need to go in automode as you say. But in automode would i really study and listen to only what the teacher wants me to do? It's very easy yes but there is consequences to all what you do, karma. Worrying about income might be some of a problem. That's why I am trying to get the knowledge to make money on the go. This is why my sleep quota has gone up. First weeks after awakening my sleep quota did go down with 4h less each day and I was blissful for a lot of time. But I realised that I need to work hard now so that I don't need to later for my survival. That's why I am choosing not to go into automode and be blissful even if ecstasy is temting at times. Its the choice between Ego(my survival) and my highest self. You cannot be enlightened doing things for survival I don't believe. Have you heard the story of that man that agonised over eating food after enlightenment. He continued to eat even though it was difficult just because he never let that go. When he let that even go he became truly enlightened and went away. With "enlightened me" I mean me letting go of ego. I called it that because I am using ego right now. Everything that I desire in terms of how I experience life I can have but there is karma to every action you make. How productive I have been I don't know. You call bullshit on me but time fly by fast when you are engaged in something. There's so much to do and so little time to spare. My body/mind tells me when it needs a break but going beyond healthy amounts of ego, thought and learning. Thats why I need more sleep and it's not an effective way because it's not like I am doing the higher good for humanity or something either so I can not even closely compare to the capability of the mind when in high states of consciousness. The brakes I take from my ego is also productive because it's needed. I want to let go of ego I truly do. The deeper I go into ego the deeper and greater the anti ego backlash will be. Me writing here takes very precious time from me because I am so busy.

@Villager Albert yes it's easy if I stay put in one city. But because I will travel I need a source of income to take with me.

I am stopping me from being blissful at school lessons. That's pretty obvious that you cant be blissful there. The whole van thing has making money as the most difficult task. I need a minimum of 150$ a month and I dont want a secure job somewhere. I will have to make money on my own, otherwise I wouldn't be able to travel which I think the enlightened me will want. Now I have been focused every minute of my life in the last couple of weeks in developing skills to make money on my own. We had 1 week holiday right now and I haven't spent any freedom almost, not even half a day. Even me being here right now is not in alignment with what I must do. For me the van is only for sleep, a tent or other solution wouldn't be able to stop in parking lots. Shower at gyms or bathhouses, pooping there too. Peing in the wild or in van. Eating much raw food in the van but also cooked with electric cooktop. Washing clothes for hand or with mini electric washer. That's the essentials. The question is if im pushing my mind too far, my sleep quota has increased because I'm stretching the capacity and capability of my mind. I also don't allow myself high states of consciousness that much and often have a reverse ego backlash. Where I have used my mind beyond capability it gets difficult to use or withhold it any more therefore I get in states of blissfullness as a break from my mind. Not that I mind. School already takes up most of my day and to try to make something out of myself simultaneously gives no room for that much joy or bliss. I would love to just spend one day in ecstacy, but that luxury I never gave myself. I am very serious and dedicated now that I have awakened. Not that I know if I am doing the right thing. Ego is kind of difficult to keep up but as said, is needed for survival.

When a human has learned how to live in ecstasy whenever he wants to. What does he do then? Does he serve the world as ultimate unselfishness?

Yes❤️ thought I just wonder how exemples of existence looks like. For example do these people typically get food by people for free or are there some that has had to work for it, what work? And what did they do for survival/bodily needs or preservation besides that? How/where did they sleep? And are there some great awakened leaders and what means did they use to lead people? Also do they forget to eat/sleep etc sometimes? Let's say you wander around the world aimlessly sharing joy on your way. Are there awakened people who has slept in the wild or is the preferred way sleeping in other people's homes. Or do the majority choose to stay in one place. I would be happy for any answer? thanks for your precious time?

@VeganAwake I wonder what historically people who have "liberated" awakened what they choose to do. Did some only do meditation, did some wander the world, did some be a leader or a teacher etc.

@Moksha What do you think the balance would be between meditating and doing whats needed for the world? There are always conditional thoughts in teaching with language, I quess that's why Buddha had to take retreats. So is it basically serving the world to your highest capability. Which is only possible by keeping your mind, body, energy, consciousness in a certain state where you work the best?

I don't have the time to read your post. "Time" see:) Time is only relevant because of your body. If survival was no issue time wouldn't be a thing for me. The world is constant change. Its infinite.

@Vittorio If you can enjoy just being alive then that's good. Do everything you enjoy and at some point during your development the thing that you enjoy the most is just being alive. I saw someone my cousins open up a lot to new babies and were pretty joyfull. If they only knew they could be that joyfull all the time, then there would not be any problem in their life.