Leo Nordin

@LastThursday okay, how is it going with your fears?

When are your going to get enlightened, what are you waiting for? @LastThursday

Hello, a few might recognize me from a couple earlier threads discussing the same things as I will with you all here. I had my awakening a little early but I am more grounded now and have more experience, im only 17 year old though. I would like to discuss action and fear. If one would live fearlessly but without clarity that would be a disaster. But clarity is only in relation to all that you have gathered and in what ways you might look at things. We will always have a limited understanding. With that said the body is made for health and survival so if my understanding is right living fearlessly you will still conserve yourself, at least until you are ready to say goodbye to this world. But what about all the other relations you have with the outside world. If you have no fear you might look at every situation, find some clarity in something and act instantly on that clarity, but that clarity does not always come in regard to the future or all the effects it will have. You might fulfill lifes desire every moment but what about all the problems that might cause when external life situations aren't prepared for that. You might not get to keep your job anymore, you might drop out of school(aka maybe me soon) etc... Is this what happened to Sadhguru after "Enlightenment". He quit his job, and continued to live on his intelligence and consciousness?? Assuming I am fully capable to do the same is it okay for me to live in the same manner which I crave so much without fear?? (absolutely do not factor in my age as in maturity or spiritual development thanks) Then another question arises, it will fuck up all my previous plans for the future and might make situations quite interesting to say the least. But at least in your experience of life that won't be a problem living this way. So then I should live the desire of creation right? Or am I missing something.

Simply for starters I am very impressed by your capabilities. You have an amazing mind to be able to wrote such long paragraphs day in and day out. But such capacity in intellectual dissection and thinking inherently gives of the feeling that you might be attached to your patterns of thinking. Don't you ever feel how nice it would be to let it go, how noce it would be to sometimes let loose on the writing without checking for misspellings etc. That you live an experience of writing one time and then you don't look back at it to fix what doesn't fit in etc.

Please let me me know why you won't let go of your attachments

@LastThursdayWhat are you doing?

@LastThursdayWho are you?

Why would anyone date a doormat?

Lol thank you for laughing!

An indication that you are on the right path is when both woman and men want you really bad. Also the trees, and the animals, children and the whole universe wants your juicy juice juice ? (whatever that means?)

Why do you think daydreaming comes upon? Or why do you think particularly your very own withering away come from. In imagination so many types of desires can be fulfilled. If you don't find expression in the real world then it can in the illusory, this is why most people dream some when they sleep. If you were more sensitive to life you would have realised this already, but that discussion is for another time?. You might also be patching up disturbances in the mind, which should after the dreaming is done have upgraded you as a human in some way. At least when you wake up you wake up as (hopefully) a fresh life because dreaming has taken care of your karma. If I were to have a challenging situation or similar, mind might want to sit down and get thoughts together and also dream a little about it. Moral of the story is if you ground yourself more in reality, in actualities and constantly liberate your very own created desires then there won’t be as much space for dreams or daydreaming. Maybe there are some things you need to sit down and think long about which you haven't, your mind has made it very clear to you at this point, what more can it do. Figure it out yourself!!

That's not what I meant either, or in a sense it is because fear won't be fear anymore when there is not a sense of seperation between you and the fear. I just use these words to communicate easily because otherwise the text would get too long or everyone would probably not believe me as a 17year old having any underlying understanding on life at all. At least that happend before in multiple of my threads. Either people made assumptions about me as a 17y old because they couldn't criticise my text, or they were like Nahm and jumped at every single detail which didn't make spiritual sense.??? I rather have the later.

@VeganAwake Interesting, this is not either what I really meant though lol. (I suck at having you guys on the same track as me?) Have you seen the monks who de condition themselves too much, they forget how to eat, speak properly and things like that. The way you function in this world is your conditioning, does that make sense or have I misunderstood something, I feel that it is more a manner of using/shaping your conditioning in a intelligent way, which is done by creation itself in liberation. Also I was actually earlier referring to the unconscious which you do not have much control over. 10000 people might look at two children fighting but how your intelligence will understand the situation in front of you will differ even without conditioning, one might only see one part of the whole picture another will see different things = your conditioning is that which makes you react with a situation in the way that you did(does this make sense? Maybe conditioning is the wrong word?). I guess how capable you are as a human being determines your ability to function well in this world. So let's say you were to live like Shiva, one who has over the years strengthened his perception and perceptive skills might see situations with much more clarity than another who comes into awakening then liberation/freedom who isn't as capable intellectually and therefore might make stupid decisions from anothers point of view. Maybe this is why spiritual people always critisised each other, actually this just really opened my eyes to what I was looking for. Every man has their flaws and their strengths even though these words are just ideas in a sense you probably get what I mean. Your path is pretty sacred then. Things start to fall together. Everything above which bored you to death aside which doesn't have anything to do woth this - I could liberate myself right now, I have prepared myself for awhile. I just felt like discussing stuff maybe the last time here on the forum. Perhaps you remember me from a couple of months ago. I said to everyone I had awakened and I am not taking it back, I have spend these months actually understanding things and know how to liberate myself and I won't fall into the pitfalls (probably). It is still a little early and everyone would criticise me asking this question as in a direct indicator that I am stupid spiritually. But. I have just barely enough prepared externally for my liberation, @VeganAwakeShould I do it? It means I will be heavily involved in this world, and life will turn upside down, will be a great story to tell. Should I do it? I will drop out of school Do I do it? I will jump and I will not go back only foward. What do you say, two single words "Do It" is all the push I need and I wont regret anything the day after. Because I am prepared, do I do it? You are not allowed to answer anything else than Yes or No

So fear is a desire that can overwrite other desires to protect oneself(so that you won't walk off a cliff for example). And because I like universal identity I shouldn't need to protect more or less than the whole world through my eyes or within myself. But it is just because of that that I feel as going through school etc is insignificant because you can't live in the future or the past which the "monkey mind?" might want. And in the present moment you have clarity into what you actually desire to do.

Hi? I didn't mean to have any conditioned concepts or ideas. I meant as in you cannot see things for what they truly are, you only see situations from the capabilities of being human and those different perspectives. I am asking about dropping ideas to perceive clarity and act on that. And I question how much clarity really is present in this state, see a very violent person dropping conditioned concepts might have a clarity which is distorted. He might still hurt people because no one intruduced him to new perspectives. Its like if you were to let a toddler have their way they would mess up their surroundings in so many ways. Even though they would have no problems with it, the stained floors would.

@Javfly33 Sadly I had to leave the forest, and people would find me because it was in the public, also it was 0 degrees Celsius outside, I would have frozen to death. And my intention wasn't meditation, it happend on a whim. You maybe won't sit blissed out in a cave like sadhguru has mentioned. When you know how you can intoxicate yourself to feel the highest amount of ecstasy, even tears might come but that is the kind of thing you do to reach enlightenment, you have no care to involve yourself further in thid world, it is perhaps a desire of yours that you have been building up and that will maybe gone after some days in ecstasy as it did in my awakening. I think you will want to involve yourself more with this world. Though nobody knows what you will want to do, these thoughts are just ideas, the idea of how you will live when without fear. When there is no fear you are like a newborn life all the time, you might quit your job like sadhguru did, your body is wired for health and survival so I don't believe that will be a problem. You have nothing to lose. You probably are thinking about how you will manage yourself living fearlessly. You see it is quite simple, you see something clearly, that my legs want to move, I want to say hello to this person... Then desire arises within you, now you act instantly on that desire, there is no mind/ego in between which is controlling this vast intelligence which is so powerful. Then what will happen, how will I tackle difficult situations living this way we can't answer and you can't either. Your intelligence probably realised almost on the first day that you didn't want to do this but you didn't act on that desire. That is why Osho for example said he has no fear, he has always acted from his desires and intelligence. Now is the question can you and me do the same. Your mind has been denying yourself for way to long, now your desire is very powerful, and you need to direct that energy somewhere otherwise the karma will just build up untill you deside to do something. J krishnamurti and UG krishnamurti are two of the best spiritual people on YouTube for you i believe, Osho is also very good and Sadhguru is amazing too I loved his stories about ramakrishna, buddha, shiva, and all the rest. UG will fight will verbally people to get them to understand that there's nothing to lose and you should live fearlessly. This dead youtuber is underrated i believe. J krishnamurti has a sharp intellect like myself so I understand all that he communicates very well and he hits the home on the questions I have had. Sadhguru is an amazing person he is very involved in this world, he spent his entire life for one big desire (his dyangalinga) then he saw one man needs food, many men needs enlightenment but even if everyone is enlightened there are no trees, so he became a tree planter... Sadhguru is very inspirational. He has even lived on his motorcycle and jungles. I enjoyed his stories on ramakrishnas life.

Ohh that is pretty interesting, how did you live like these months without suffering? Also the mind will always be conditioned in some ways, if not you wouldn't be here. For example to be a teacher you need certain conditionings. But I get what you meant. How is it with work and stuff like that for you? Funny thing i just left my home for the first time, gone to the forest and layed down and haven't moved in an hour. Only have my jacket and shoes and am freezing. But I definitely recommend this. I hear many weird noises from the forest though... You should try this if you haven't, maybe tonight. Good for posture lol and manliness haha? though I soon can't move my hand because it's too cold.

Good that you explain?, I didn't refer to the insight denying ego as cringe or the journey as weird it doesn't need to be weird either. You put so much information without explanation or stories or so, I think most on here have already intellectually understood these things to certain extents and we should bring some means of experiencing. Everyone also writes in the same manner. How can we bring more means to interest and develop readers? Stories can get long and boring and are not generally worth the time it tales to write and read. Long detailed explanations wont either work. This short summarised way of writing also doesn't work that well or does it? Moksha if you reach out to someone to write like I do with you right now do most on here eventually get "enlightened" or will people still be going in circles years to come? My mind like to think people with over 30 posts on here are dedicated enough to reach awakening in 1-3 years or so of "spiritual development". Then are they even worth our time because most of the time people on here seems to figure things put on their own anyways. And so many people get involved for what. There are already so many resources online which is written way better. So Moksha why are you guys even on this forum? What's your motivation do you think?

I wish you all the best ?

Moksha out of some reason expressing unconditional love sounded very cringe to me. Who even came up with those words almost nobody understands what it actually means. And that is who you actually are? I think you guys don't realise how weird and misleading this "spiritual" language is. Blackhawk true it is not worth it for Javfly33 to continue the way he has, he made that very obvious for himself. Now what choice does he have? We'll see how Javfly33 will act according to this question. @javfly just hurry up and get enlightened already!!!!!!!!!! We'll do it together okay??!?! I've prepared myself for a couple of months, not enough externally but enough for nobody to stop me so I bet it's time for us to fly. Away from these loosers. Just give me a month

When you spend time with people what is it that you are trying to do. Do you feel incomplete alone? Why are you looking for a man what is it really that you want. if you are needy (internally) as you said, what are you needy about? You seem to have this great vision about a man that you want. What is it that you want from this man, and why, is it someone who can make you feel complete and that everything is good in life? Is it really other people that create a sense of completeness, fulfillment, passion, fearless expression within you? A relationship is give and take, is it maybe so that you want to take a lot and (because of incompleteness) and that you haven't developed giving part so many men aren't quite fond of you? If one was a full life he or she wouldn't need to worry too much about these things. Your relationship to others become a way to share your love with them. You might see one person seeks adventure so desire arises within you to be adventurous with him. One man might be stupid so desire arises within you to knock the stupidity out of him. Another seeks someone to chill with so give that to him. Relationship is a constant give and take but you only need to be worried about giving then it doesn't matter what happens next if you don't expect anything from them someone who will be involved in you will come sooner or later. The man does not need to share the same interests with you, he doesn't need make you feel comfort all the time, or always be nice to you. Just an enormous involvement between two people is enough and things will happen. Maybe there is not much life in you, maybe you haven't developed enough social skills, different kinds of humor, maybe you aren't confident enough, maybe you live in patterns, talk boringly, maybe you don't have any strong drive that keeps you interesting. I don't know your situation but there clearly is a lot that can be worked upon. Just try to do whatever you want to do in your life and when you don't understand something you sit down before sleeping and take time to let thoughs run free and think it out. Then you will get all the answers.

This is my thread which I would like some of you to collaborate on if you would like. Nahm is not invited Also @Nahm I expect better youtube videos, I am not critisising your last one because you said it was your kind of introduction thingy and am shure you won't be offended because you have moved past that. So go and make something inspironational this time, communicate feelings, have a sense of direction and purpose, overflowing energy inwardly which gives you a strong presence, talk as if you were to become one with the person across the screen. Imagine a dog, it is pretty difficult to get a dog to become one with a human face to face because your energies has to be in a certain way and you need to be pretty life sensitive to make a dog reach together with your energies. It's similar communicating across a screen, if you are in a certain state which the watcher don't want to be in right now most of them won't listen, it is about grabbing ahold of the watchers, if you continue to make the same kind of videos imagine there is a class in front of you, what you say must interest as many as possible otherwise ypu are a failure as a teacher and that is a fact. GOOD LUCK!!!!

I am eating candy right now and @Javfly33I just created yet another follow up thread on my situation which is in some ways much similar to your problems. So hopefully we both get some good answers, I am not expecting anything from you Nahm though? hahaha But Nahm I just read you answer to Javfly and it was pretty good I must say, therefore I won't do the same because you hit the spot on some points. My advice would have been more direct but that is one of my flaws or maybe my strength, now when I think about it I don't like you Nahm, you are like my opposite, especially if you came to see me in person, I just know it. Javfly I hope you could bear with Nahms lengthy boring advice because he was earlier than me you won't get any epic reply stupid Nahm

Also when I do things "with fear" for some clarity on what fear is, that is often activities based on ideas and not actuality and are therefore more difficult to keep. Such as if I study I will get a job which I will feel is fulfilling. Is also those activities in which the idea overites desires based on actualities, needs etc. Ideas which are in sync with desires based on actuality is not with fear because then there are no feelings of incompleteness. It's when creating desire from an idea which goes againt or make you unable to fulfil other desires which is the great problem of mankind. Consciously created desires is bullshit and I don't like this business no more. Desire should be shiva's creation not my mind's, creation should control the mind, the mind should not control creation isn't that right? So why should I keep creating desire with the mind = fear, ego... (in my other threads at the time of my awakening this is what I meant with asking if I should create ego again, nobody understands me though? still you probably don't? Right, right Nahm?)

Having sex standing up, makes a big difference in my experience. If that doesn't work maybe some others position works for you. Focusing specifically on your body's movement and not your feelings or focusing only on making the girl feel good so that you forget your own sensations may work? Have you ever tried to do it or for example masturbate while thinking about the gender that you are not interested in, personally that will keep you stiff as long as you keep going. Also you can focus on joy instead of lust. So instead of feeling the sensation of your thingy, you experience/create joy instead. One more thing, in sex 2 persons energies kinda becomes the same so you may want to try to seperate your experience from your girlfriend. Kinda like when you hug someone you don't like but don't dislike either, a platonic hug instead of one full of sensations. Try keep your way of being to yourself so that sex becomes more of a conscious instead of unconscious experience where you are the one in charge not your compulsions.