Leo Nordin

I give that thought to the future, I have not a single clue and it seems futile to think about. I might live in a van, I might have left home, and I might become involved with a lot of people. Who knows, that's all I can say.

The word enlightenment is quite misused. Nobody can be enlightened though and still people somehow can be, that's how misused the word is. Transcending yourself is more like you have been riding on a lion ever since you got corrupted as a child, of course it is scary to jump off that lion, what if I will die, you might think. If you somehow got off that Lion then you have trancended yourself, that might also by some be called enlightenment. By others enlightenment might be the point of death truly becoming one with existence, but you were always one with existence, also mind cannot say I am enlightened because the second it sais so you are definitely not enlightened, mind cannot grasp existence. That realisation might therefore by some also be called enlightenment. You see it is quite a mess this thing with enlightenment and all?

@Blackhawk If the work comes naturally there would be no problem, the problem with humans is that we have used our intelligence in all the wrong ways, suffering endlessly. It is natural for a being to look for food and shelter, humans could/can do this in a natural way too, though society is structured for you to live unnaturally, when you realise that is not worth it anymore is an act of intelligence. Whatever ways you involve yourself in the world will be in a way your own work. ❤️❤️ I hope that is temporary though.?

The whole thing is that you won't know how you will make a living, there is no YOU to know about some destined future. When you feel hungry you will just have to find some way to get food. You will function flawlessly in a natural state where the mind and body works as one, like an animal but with human intelligence. Blackhawk why would a realised being still work? He would see how work deteriorates the mind, how work is living in patterns, how a job is limited, rules - how you cannot just walk out of a job or take breaks whenever, etc etc. It is impossible for you to live in harmony with existence - your body/mind in those jobs that I have ever heard of. Epikur though those on vacation I believe seclude themselves from the existence around them. Being like a guru just means that you are determined to not "suffer" ever again, you won't even know the difference between being happy or not happy so it is nice for everyone to be enlightened.

Would someone like to further discuss this topic? I've only gotten an answer from a few.

I've been meaning to ask this question for a long time. Many of you here on this forum has had some sort of awakenings but what is stopping you from liberation, are you not conscious of the will of life? I would like to know what is stopping you who reads this and what is your plan to do about it. It seams to me that on this furum realization is not the most difficult but it's the going out there in the world which seems to be. But not to many talk about it, instead most are just on intellectual dissection and analysis of matter, time, who we are and what we are to do, truth etc. To me it seems everyone takes only small steps in development towards this. Though is that enough for you, the whole thing we are trying to do is speed up your evolvement, why are people (you) afraid of completely liberating yourself from all this suffering?

Yes, I am aware of all this. @traveler are "you" still in the illusions and if so what is the illusions reason for it? Also what are your thoughts on survival, how do you get your food?

Don't put me in this category, I am not looking for liberation, liberation is easy. And you cannot be afraid of the actual thing liberation but you are afraid of the idea of liberation. Therefore my thread's title is not, in a sense, accurate. Right now I am just looking to expand my consciousness by asking you @traveler why are you still in unsatisfactory duality? I also am not that familiar with the word duality because it is mainly used by spiritual amaricans, Asians has their language of yoga and in my country you are a fucking weird delusional weird idiot man if you communicate this way. If I understand rightly. You cannot function well in this world without duality, ending duality means death, or is there actually any duality to begin with. I don't quite get what duality means. I wouldn't call any state of being oneness except sleep or perhaps some deep meditation.

I wouldn't be typing here either. The interesting thing is that I have downgraded myself to fix external situations. Earliest awakening I asked that question to myself. And I chose to suffer given the choice and situations that I was put in? so yes someone would choose to suffer. Grace is and was very potent for me and to deny it is heartbreaking. Somehow there is a spiritual girl in my class at my school and she is probably the only one in the the whole city or country (because we don't have spiritual people here) which somehow is almost enlightened. Once she was sitting at the same table as me, she stared at me for some time and somehow I almost couldn't contain grace's desire anymore, my whole face started kind of shaking and it took a lot of time (30min?) to control it again. Do you get how twisted this is. ? She is on higher consciousness and doesn't really go to school. I didn't want to allow the deeper intelligence of creation itself to function in me yet because it would mess up a lot of things in my life - I am only 17 years old. So here I am

@gettoefl thank you for the reply.

Actually Gary never brought any value to me as in what he said actually. I watched him and actualized.Org a lot in my earliest development. Mostly I watched Gary, I see some things about him because I have seen almost hundreds of his videos. Both of them gave no value to me because I am too much of an intellectual for Gary and too little of an intellectual for actualized I guess -in simple terms, I honestly think Leo Guras content is really bad at least for me but both of these guys were just there for me to think myself about these things. Again I don't know about spiritual dynamics but to me it seems Gary is always doing what he desires to do and that is to me almost the peak of humanity. Almost has to be highlighted, he maybe doesn't seek the ultimate but seeks to be a doer or highly involved man in this world and what he is doing and perhaps going to do in his life might be way more impactfull than many gurus work. For that I thank him and bow down to him for.

Isn't that being afraid of an idea? Or maybe you simply are afraid of consequences, or the unknown perhaps?

Is that true?

@fridjonk I also think Gary isn't enlightened but what is important is if he is as I wrote "Also you don't need to be realized to live on the peak of human evolution." Enlightenment is just a realization. Though a lot comes with that realisation, some of it will be determining how you shape and live your life. Which I think Gary Vaynerchuk is enlightened about. I believe Gary is living on the peak of humanity, I believe he is living his desires in a concious way. To me it seems obvious but perhaps that is only because I have had my awakening. Also he can be enlightened, because when we talk about enlightenment we usually talk about seeing how and where life comes from, it is not a intellectual thing but experiential. So he doesn't need to talk the same language as yogis which live their life in another direction than Gary whom is more of a business man. I believe he is authentic, When he talks about authenticity that looks to me like his way of saying don't live in ego, live truth. What he is saying is to me the same thing as trying to tell someone to get enlightened. At this point I think he hints to being enlightened a lot. What he sais doesn't matter because as I said it is all a experiencial thing.

Wait, why would most not be concious of something so obvious? Never mind living to the peaks of human capabilities. Do you think most people here live their lives unconsciously? Then I quess their problem may be more of awakening and less of what comes after that. Do you think I got that correctly? And because they aren't aware then living to your highest potential is a distant land and trying to reach it would only be in delusion and therefore ego backlashes would happen I quess? @Javfly33 do you really believe it is true that most on this forum is in such an early stage of spiritual development? Of what? Why?

I didn't really mean it the way I think you interpreted me when I said eliminate suffering. I meant if you desired to help someone I wouldn't call the consequences suffering because if you do what you desire the most every second of your life then I wouldn't call the consequences of that mentally nor physically suffering. That is why I said the opposite would be stupid, helping people because of some other reason than pure desire. I don't quite understand because it is just an idea to me. I haven't seen anyone have ego backlashes either, did Shiva, Krishna, Adiyogi, Buddha, Sadhguru, J krishnamurti, Ug krishnamurti, Osho have ego backlashes after realisation? I get that if you aren't realised you may do the wrong things experiencially and therefore get an ego backlash, but isn't that just because you didn't know what you where doing when you tried to remove ego...? Also I totally get that you need to prepare yourself if you have loads of ideas about stuff, delusions, ego etc but that should dissappear rapidly after awakening? Just to put it out there I don't know what ego actually is.

Actually I am talking about suffering caused by ego. Or to clarify I am talking about living your desires in an inclusive and conscious way without attachment or fear. Or to clarify even more because apparently I suck at communication, I mean the way of living which J krishnamurti, Ug krishnamurti, Osho talks about. Are you afraid of living that way, why won't you live that way, is what I wonder @LastThursday.

Yes. Though I don't understand what you are trying to communicate here..? I am talking about eliminating the suffering of your own world, not anyone else... I don't get why you would suffer yourself to help someone else suffer less, that seems stupid. If you actually wanted to help them you wouldn't suffer doing it. Ego backslashes is just an idea. I think that is the least you should be worrying about. Aren't you just projecting the future and ideas about it. Though I am doing the same but that is my problem... Anyways good luck.

Yeah I didn't mean this kind of liberation... Excuse me for my bad phrasing.

That is exactly what all gurus want you to do. If the situation comes you made a conscious choice not to kill the lion and to be killed instead, isn't that a very beautiful choice you made. For me being ego less is the easiest and most rewarding way to live. The reason I don't live ego less yet is because I chose the hard, full of suffering, ego etc way just to prepare for my future a little bit more, thanks for telling me what you are afraid of. If you would like to explain more what you are really afraid of please do.

I don't believe all of life is suffering. I would say suffering is that which takes from your life, if all activities are that way to you very well there is no problem dying. Adam why are you (if you are) afraid to live to the outmost will of your life? Also on another note many realised beings has killed themselves upon realisation... I have heard from Sadhguru that that is why most yogis die so young.

Interrupting people has nothing to do with not being like a yogi... It has no connection. Also you don't need to be realized to live on the peak of human evolution. If he lives by the same standards as yogis which Gary simplifies by saying "do what you love and makes you happy and do it with awareness and love" has almost exactly the same meaning as Osho, j krishnamurti and sadhguru describes how to live in the "best" way possible, don't you agree? Gary is just trying to communicate the same thing but in his own words, even if you don't understand what he really tries to communicate, or am I wrong.

I know this post is late and I don't really know about spiral dynamics but Gary Vaynerchuk talks and lives by the same rules as yogis/gurus does. He is perhaps enlightened, at least experiencially and to some degree intellectually as well. That is why he talks about awareness so much, because in living without fear you need awareness to make good decisions. Gary Vaynerchuk is truly an inspiration. And he sometimes talks about how he has and is constantly trying to figure out how to enlighten or bring people to liberation.

@LastThursday You may be moving in circles, repeating the same way of living, thinking, feeling every day. When you see that maybe you won't come to this forum anymore, or have the same type of thoughts or thinking over and over again. Explore life.

?I am preparing external situations...? When I go "enlightened" then I will not come back (I think) so I took it easy with my approach. Even Leo gura and most everyone else told me not to make drastic decisions at my age or in my situations. Certainly I have way more clarity right now and am more grounded, I have had experiences being an apprentice at a school which has also teached me many things. And also my earliest moments of oneness was ultimately ecstatic so I didn't then have experience with all the forms of expression during enlightenment. Though I don't know if I am going to wait until summer vacation. I might "accidentally" go "enlightened" before that, at least people around me would believe my seriousness if I quit 1 month before finishing this year in school because therefore I loose a whole year of my studies. We will see what happens. @LastThursday I was going to involve myself further with you but the desire is gone now, so I hope you the best of luck?? I don't see anything I can do for you, so good luck.