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What do you mean? Since enlightenment could potentially take me decades, should I still cultivate my Life Purpose right now so it saves work for when I do become enlightened? (If I ever do)

If someone works a job only for the sake of survival (no passion, wage slavery), could they have a very high consciousness? Would their enlightenment be shallow? Is having a career just for survival/being a wage slave a weak integration of Stage Orange? If so, could they even integrate a tier 2 stage such as Yellow?

So it’s not like when you’re enlightened, you’ll renounce all your “egoic” desires such as a Life Purpose, right? So an enlightened person would still devise a plan to get out of wage slavery?

I tried giving one of my friends some golden advice for what they want to do in life. He just brushed it off and made a joke out of it. If I was in his shoes, I would be asking more and more questions out of curiosity. It doesn't make any sense to me. If people are directionless in life, why do they have no interest in solving it?

I meant external circumstances Again, my wording was flawed. @fridjonk @poimandres @TripleFly Is it common for people here to strive for self-actualisation after going through suffering and wanting to change?

Could the easy comfort be the cause of ignorance?

@poimandres @fridjonk So is this what most of society is doing? Sweeping their demons under the rug? By that, I meant his situation. I worded it wrong. If I was directionless in life, I'd try to figure out how to fix it. My peers and my family seem very carefree. I've found that I'm not interested in them or the topics they talk about (gossip, social life, shallow conversations, etc). That's not to say they're bad people. I'm just not interested in them. Feels pretty lonely... especially after feeling so close and secure with my family for so long. Their lives are what I'm trying to avoid.

For example: If I were to be faced with the decision of going to the gym or staying in bed because I was tired, I’d choose the gym. Or if I had to choose between working on my craft or watching another YouTube video, I’d choose the former. You never really know if you are being the most you can be, that’s what self actualization is after all. But you can strive for it, and the decisions you make would account for it.

To me these are my why. I am doing what I am doing because I want to be the most I can be. When I’m not taking 100% responsibility for my life, I am bitter, jealous and have a bit of a victim mindset. I am doing activities that put me into flow state for its own sake. I feel best when I’m actually executing and not idly theorising. You mentioned responsibility, what are your thoughts on the other values I listed?

What do you mean? I don't think it has to be interpreted as only a goal. Aren't most values things that you can really only apply to yourself?

@JosephKnecht Thank you.

For a young person, what should be prioritised more? Life Purpose or Enlightenment? Humans need purpose, so wouldn’t Life Purpose be the number 1 priority? Then enlightenment can be pursued when our Life Purpose is handled? In the course Leo says that Enlightenment is more important than Life Purpose. How is this so?

There are articles that talk about core values, but mention negative values such as comfort, certainty, attractiveness, wealth, pleasure, etc. Examples: https://jamesclear.com/core-values https://www.cmu.edu/career/documents/my-career-path-activities/values-exercise.pdf https://scottjeffrey.com/core-values-list/ What's everyone's thoughts on this? Are their views on core values distorted?

I hope that's truly what's meaningful to them. I can't see it in myself personally. Wouldn't it also be the only way to deeply let go? My opinion is that just letting go of the desire isn't fully authentic and can cause one to be in an ideological stance, like a monkey in a buddha's clothing. Exhausting the desire would be direct experience. Just learning about how and why the desire transpires would be similar to that of a belief, which is lower-consciousness, isn't it? Methods other than exhausting the desire could raise the question of what if? E.g. "What if I got that car I always wanted and then actually realised through direct experience that it won't fulfil me?" "I got this car that I always wanted, all the success I ever wanted, and I am not fulfilled. Now I that I know this I can work towards integrating what I think will fulfil me which is helping the community" (Stage Orange to Green) Over a dogmatic type attitude like "Cars and success won't fulfil me, I've been told that it won't fulfil me. So I should be working on helping the community" Thoughts?

Does that mean monks aren't deeply enlightened as they have shadows of lower stages? No, my username is completely unrelated to my LP. Having a successful and authentic Life Purpose makes enlightenment easier, right?

@Nahm Thank you. While I don't fully understand what you are saying, I can see myself being able to understand it as I learn more and raise my consciousness. Maybe one day I'll look back at this post and realise how naive I was

@JosephKnecht Thanks for your help! Just out of curiosity. How do monks become monks? Aren't they skipping stages? Do they simply just let go of their desires rather than exhausting them?

I'm still going to be meditating every day. But there are dark sides of enlightenment aren't there? I don't want to deal with those yet. Yes, I need to integrate Orange. I never said it doesn't have any value But materialism alone won't make me truly happy, yet I feel like my ego wants to experience this for itself. Holy fuck.. You're right, I've fallen into the trap of mental masturbation! I think I need to take a theory detox. My mind keeps on calling me to jerk itself off. I want to do the course in order. I want to make the vision board fully authentic, I'm still going through the values assessment. Maybe I'll just trust that this mental masturbation phase will go away. You mentioned meditation to get stop it. I do guided meditation at the moment, 20 minutes a day. I'm going through the Waking Up meditation course which I'll be finishing in 2 days, from then I'll be doing it in silence. What meditation techniques would help? For how long?

I’m still going to be meditating. But I hear that enlightenment work is vigorous and time consuming. I’m thinking about putting ALL the time I have into my Life Purpose so I can build a good foundation for my future, so that I’m comfortable enough to pursue and have a deeper desire for enlightenment. What are your thoughts on this?

So should I work on my Life Purpose for the next decade or so (while still meditating), and then once I’m 25-30 I pursue enlightenment as I’ve exhausted my desire for Stage Orange wants (materialism, success, financial stability, etc)? Or could I just let go of the Stage Orange desires like materialism? I know that it won’t truly make me happy, but my ego still wants it, maybe because it doesn’t know from direct experience (“Oh, I see that this doesn’t really make me happy”) but rather a belief?

Meditation? What are effective techniques for my particular case? @LfcCharlie4 @Nahm So these are my thoughts: *Human beings need purpose and crave creative expression. Being only awakened and/or enlightened won’t solve a lack of satisfaction or fulfilment. Having a Life Purpose can make you achieve Self-Transcendence by moving up the Pyramid to Self-Actualization, then Self-Transcendence. Or move up to Stage Yellow from Orange or Green for example. From where you can have deeper awakening. It makes it easier to be awakened or enlightened as lower level needs have been handled. So it is best to have my Life Purpose handled before shooting for enlightenment as I have a lot of karma to exhaust/onions to peel (e.g. having a career, financial stability, passion for living, etc). Once my desires for those are exhausted, I can then move on to enlightenment.* Would this be accurate? We should be exhausting our desires before shooting for enlightenment as it’s very difficult, right? As if we are peeling onions? On a Spiral Dynamics forum, it mentioned that if you are a teenager, don’t even think about Tier 2 consciousness (Yellow, Turquoise, Coral, etc) as the huge lack of life experience would make it near impossible/very unlikely if you are the average person. Is this true? Would it be a good strategy for me to work on my Life Purpose for the next 10-15 years while still meditating everyday, then when I’m 25-30 I can pursue enlightenment as I’ve exhausted my desire for materialism and success? I know that these things won’t truly make me happy, but my ego still wants materialistic success. Could I just let go of this desire? Or would it be better for me to exhaust this desire, and from direct experience see that “Oh, this doesn’t really make me happy”, and then pursue enlightenment instead of just believing that it won’t make me happy? I want to work out a good strategy so I’m not second guessing myself here, what’s your guy’s suggestion?

@Nahm I would prefer going through the course in order and I haven't gotten to that part of the course yet. Is my question the case?

@JosephKnecht Would I need to have a Life Purpose before becoming enlightened?

@Nahm @Thestarguitarist14 This is difficult for me to comprehend. Maybe it’s my level of consciousness. Is it like the purpose onion concept from David Deida’s “The Way of the Superior Man”? Must I achieve self-actualisation before achieving self-transcendence and above as if I’m peeling an onion to its core?

I don’t understand. But everything on my dream board would be a distraction from what’s above self transcendence, wouldn’t it?