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@Leo Gura Even if, after months, they're going to defeat hamas, Israel is going to deal with humanitarian crisis of immense proporsion, that i bet they have literally no idea how to manage, looking at how they dealt with the conflict so far. The bombing could backfire. Of course if they sweap clean the strip Hamas desappears(civillians included), but at that will provoke a reaction from Iran and Hezbollah, resulting in an even bigger escalation and threat for Israel. The biggest problem is that every state in the area is so militaristic(obviously) and rely upon weapons to solve problems. it will never work. Best short term action could be political, like proclaiming ceasefire and softening te sanction on Iran, but it's never going to happen with these poeple in power.

@Twentyfirst Got ya! @Breakingthewall Sure, it's logical.

@Twentyfirst I don't know exacly what you mean, but to get things clear, yes Hamas is as bad for the well being of palesinians as Israel right wing fundamentalism is for the Israelis.

@Leo Gura Most war analyst agree that bombing isn't the most effective way to cancel Hamas. The thing is, the way the operation are carried really make poeple wonder whether Israel wants to actrually destroy Hamas or intentionally kill civilians. Best thing would probably have been a decade-long agent infiltaration operation in the strip to slowly weaken them from the inside. What they are basically doing right now is trying to get rid of a virus by physically hammering the computer to peaces. So question is: Do the leaders of Israel want to actually help Palestinians but are too short-sighted and a-systemical to see that this approach won't work, or they are actual snakes using the excuse of Hamas to kill as many palesinians as the world community would tolerate before intervining?

Truth can't be spoken, true. But i'm confident that it can certainly be pointed at with right speech, action and heart.

@ActualizedJohn1- There is only One consciousness bubble, the one you are experiencing right now. 2- This bubble is limitless. There is no inside nor outside. To the point that even the term bubble is misleading, because bubbles presuppose a limit. 3- Notice how the thought "there are several bubbles" can only appear in your bubble/experience. 4- So, every division/border/content of experience is fabricated/imagined/Hallucinated. 5- So is there a imaginator/creator? No, it's an impersonal process, there is no actual ground one or source. The concept of a "source" is an object appearing in your experience. The answer you your question is: The splitting is imagined and is going to be real for you as long as it is imagined to be real. You are part of an imagined narrative. So since it is fabricated, if the "Me" in the narrative realizes that division is part of the narrative, the narrative will change accordingly Notice: everything i wrote above is still part of the narrative.

@Dodo I with you on that, Being can't be spoken. Since we're on a forum though, that is the only thing we can do here i write about, fortunately or unfortunately.

@DodoI assumed all those things about you because to justify your statement you uselessly brought up the usual talking points of materialists. It seemed as if you were criticising the mechanic the metaphor is pointing to, which is fitting. To explain your point you could have just said "the statement is not meant to be taken literally, but it points to the mechanic of the dream" So next time get straight to the point

@Dodo You got caught into a very basic misunderstanding of this teaching. When it is said that Life is a dream, it means that, like in a dream, the content of reality doesn't have inherent material existence and it's a groundless fabrication/creation/production/hallucitantion. So it is a statement on the Nature of reality not on the content. So we still have perfectly fixed rules with this this reality/dream is organized. The rules aswell are fabricated/created/produced/imagined etc. Leo has certainly touched upon this topic, watch some of his content.

@HMD You said it yourself, There so need of an attachment o the "I" for breath to keep occurring. This waking state has fixed laws that can't be broken. Breath is a fundation as much has gravity is. Without a building's fundation, it wouln't be possible fore you to go up to the 73d flor and observe the view from the window

@Yimpa i will read it, thank you

@Leo Gura reading your replays, some questions came to me: 1)By your logic, is it safe to say that God(howevery you define it as), Alien Intelligence, Pure Understanding and even Levels of comprehension are products of Immagination as much as everything else? 2) If that's the case, why do you escribe such superiority to your work over others? I would say you are more exeptional then superior. 3)Do you think there is a way to prove on theorical level that Alien Intelligence is really superior to the awakenings you can get sober? Cause right now your explenations don't seem quite convincing. Lastly a consideration: I don't think an Arahant doesn't know his life is imaginary. I would say the translation in buddhist language of "your life is imaginary" would be "your life is Impermanent"

i think both of you @ardacigin and@Leo Gura are misunderstanding each others positions. You guys call quasi-identical concepts different ways and from that stems misunderstandings. Anyway i guess leo's definition of "Mind" would include what you discribe as Ultimate Reality I don't think Leo has ever claimed that being Mind means being able to manipulate Mind.

@davecraw can you provide evidence that the difference between imagination and "concrete reality" is NOT imagined?

@Leo Gura Would you agree then that your God awakinings are a fantasy and a dream aswell? If not what the difference? i'm not trying to disprove you, just cheching if you're still coherent

@WeCome1 literally every thing you said is incorrect and stems from a lack of knowledge, but hey, keep your opinion and attitude. Taking Castaneda's books to the letter is already a signal you were doing thing wrong. And Nothings gonna change the fact that there are safe ways to do it and they work.

@Holykael bs. good and evil are a on the same coin by definition. When you are a baby you are not even aware that such duality exist. You can only think it was "good time" in retrospect This is true, but doesn't negate the fact that you will be served both, otherwhise you won't know the distinction.

@WeCome1 Dealing with any kind of altered state of conscousness can create problems, but with the right amount of cationusness you can keep them at bay. You just have to take baby steps, use protections and have some kind of failsafe. Furthermore, Magic doesn't always require spirit work.

@BojackHorseman so, let's begin Actually, if you have these kind problems, rituals should be easier for you to follow, because we can say that the practice of magick is a "meditation in motion", often requiring you to bounce from a place to another with attention. If deep down you know these "forces" are utlimately you, you won't have a problem dealing with them. Also, not every type of magic deals with spirits and entities Es.: check "Advanced Magick for Beginners" by Alan Capman. The path i'm following give you a ritual that doesn't involve entity, and it is used both fot spiritual and material attainment. My statement was "way i be able to recieve 50€ by 18/05/23". I did recivie the money through a football bet and long due loan coming back. The next day i found 130€ on the ground of a metro station. It was the first time i did magic to obtain something a never found free money on the ground before, let alone so much. So it definetly isn't just a motivation enchanter. But you also need "magical links" to make this procedures work. Jeson Miller "The Elements of Spellcrafting" has been a good read recently, and it delves into these mechanics. This is another misconception. Magick is actually highly logical, the problem is that at first it seems nonsensical because it deals with so many unknown factor, and it takes time to understand these factors. When i look at old books like Agrippas "Three Books of Occult Philosophy", i can't help but think this guy knew so much stuff we don't. And if you know a bit of spirituality you also know that science is great but has it's dogmas as everything else. I see were you are caming from. That's me aswell. I've always tried to understand "how it works", but there so much confusing shit that makes it difficult for you to get an opinion of it. Skimming through though, there is good stuff. All im going to share an overview of what the field has to offer. notice that magic functions both spiritual work and material attainment. i'm avoiding super old stuff as is kind of hard to read (avoid Crowley at first). Advanced Magick for Beginners by Alan Capman The Elements of Spellcrafting by Jeson Miller Financial Sorcery by Jeson Miller High Magick by Damien Echols Rituals by Damien Echols Practical Sigil Magick by Frater UD Kabbalah for Health and Wellness by Mark Stavish You may also find important to learn the meaning and corrispondences between The Tree of Life, The Planets and The Zodiac Signs ------- In video format, search into these two channels and you will have a good overview of what magick is and what it can do.

@Loveeee

@Rasheed Working with drowsiness, from the book "the Mind illuminated" "In meditation, drowsiness usually leads to brief moments of sleep. Within a few seconds of falling asleep, postural muscles relax and your head nods or your body starts to fall. Then you wake up with a sudden jerk as muscle reflexes pull you upright—the so-called “Zen lurch.” Of course, if you’re lying down or sitting in a comfortable chair, you might sleep for a long time. (This is why you shouldn’t meditate in these positions unless arthritis or some other health condition absolutely requires it.) If you’ve just jerked awake, within a short time you’ll probably feel dullness setting in again, like a heavy cloak. When this happens, you have a great opportunity to investigate how dullness develops and turns into drowsiness. If you closely observe what happens, you’ll notice that coming out of drowsiness is distinctly unpleasant. You would probably prefer to stay there. However, by resisting the urge and returning to the practice, you’ll usually experience a comfortable state where you can still follow the breath, though without the same intensity or vividness or clarity as before. This is called subtle dullness. It eventually leads to strong dullness, in which attention still clings to the breath, but the focus is weak and diffuse, and the sensations vaguely perceived. The drowsiness that precedes falling asleep feels like trying to see through dense fog. The breath often becomes distorted, transformed by dreamlike imagery, and nonsensical thoughts start drifting through the mind. Eventually, you do fall asleep. Working with subtle dullness as it arises can be quite productive, but struggling against strong dullness that’s already present doesn’t work well. So, if you’re drowsy or have already dozed off during a session, you must first rouse the mind out of dullness. Then you can work with dullness as it starts to return. Here are a few “antidotes,” roughly in order of strength from mild to strongest, for rousing the mind from dullness: • Take three or four deep breaths, filling the lungs as much as possible, and hold for a moment. Then exhale as forcefully and completely as possible through tightly pursed lips. • Tense all the muscles in your body until you begin to tremble slightly, then relax. Repeat several times. • Meditate while standing up. • Do walking meditation. • Worst-case scenario, get up, splash cold water on your face, then go back to practicing. These work because they stimulate you, not only physically, but mentally as well by increasing the flow of external stimuli into your mind. In general, always do whatever is necessary to re-energize yourself back to a state of alert awareness. When drowsiness returns quite soon after you’ve roused yourself, it’s called “sinking,” which feels like being caught in mental quicksand. Sinking is a sure sign that you didn’t re-energize the mind enough. Keep using stronger antidotes until the drowsiness doesn’t return for at least several minutes. But try not to do more than necessary, or you’ll create a state of agitation!"

@Sugarcoat

To start a quest you don't need to know the exact details of your goal. all you need is the right set of theory and practice, then intuition will do the rest. The quest to enlightment equals to knowing what i am and what reality is. Pieces of the puzzle will reveal themselves through time that both confirm and negate your expectation. What you are tring to say, maybe, is that ultimetly this is a non-destination, beyond time and space and outside of any cause -effect correlation, which is true, but first one need to take the train and "get there" what you're not getting is that awakening is attained through a balance of "holding strong" and "letting go". Bot are fundamental. All poeple have a mixture of both. But relying on one of the 2 too much is going to cause problems. With "Holding strong" i mean Studying, practicing systematicaly, discipline, not quitting etc. Holding strong has to start with a desire. You have to put in effort. Then comes the letting go. You can't deny that a clear state of mind is more conductive to enlightment then when you are drunk or groggy. If you thing i'm wrong, then you are negating dozens of lineages in the world whose methods have been proven right in centuries.

@PurpleTree more than that, i would say that ego is an activity of mind, a pattern that repeats over and over. what we call ego can be divided in a certain set of sensations that repeat in a certain sequence as a pattern, over and over. What a profound awakening does, is dismanteling part of this pattern repeat again and the rest of it is seen through, not just as "me". Take a look at this interview and see, expecially answering first question, how he refers to the ego as a "pattern"

@Sugarcoat I'm willing to bet most of those who have/had a profound attainment followed some kind of practice/took psychedelics systematically. You won't become enlightened by chance as much as you won't compose a great music piece by chance. Sure, just doing it doesn't equal success, but surely encreases our possibility. i don't know what you what you mean by "enlightenment is nothing", i never wrote that. I would say that enlightenment is a change in the context of existence that is usually preceded by some kind of activities a would define a change in state as a change in the content of existence. As i wrote, enlightment is a change in context. Nontheless, a clear and present state of mind is certainly mere conductive to awakening then being drunk for example.