yetineti

I agree, everything is imagined! But if everything is imagined is anything really imagined ? If everything gets bigger at the same time, did anything really get bigger ?

I pieced this together quite recently myself. In Leo’s enlightenment series he mentioned how enlightenment means we have ‘No-Self.’ It’s not that we don’t physically exist, it’s not that we hadn’t had prior experience- for example - it’s just that any thought about ourselves is ultimately imaginary. What we think about ourselves is imaginary. Who am I? Is imaginary. This came as a shock to me until I read a response Leo posted to someone on the forum awhile back. ‘There is a self, just the infinite self.’ If you take an infinity of numbers (all of the positive numbers infinitely one way and all the negative numbers infinitely one way) and add them all together - they will equal out to 0. So there is a self, the infinite self. It’s just that the infinite self is also the ‘no self.’

One of the best things I’ve ever heard Leo say is ‘You have to be skeptical of your skepticism.’ Some personally examples of doing that is asking myself questions about why I’m asking questions. It’s simpler than it sounds. Ex: Why did I choose to question this topic? Do I have some bias or reason for questioning this topic? What is my history with this topic/could my history with this topic have caused the feeling of needing to question it/be skeptical of it? Questions like this allow me to become conscious of why I am skeptical of something. Sometimes I find out I don’t need to be skeptical and I’m over thinking, sometimes I feel I’ve already used a sufficient amount of skepticism and remain content or sometimes I realize I do have a reason to be skeptical about something and I keep question it. Ultimately I think it’s good to worry about being gullible - just moderately and with consideration..

@Yog Your response is much appreciated and articulated multiple points of which I could not have yet articulated but ‘hit the spot’ I was looking for in this topic. Considering your mentioning of having been a conservative, I have some follow of questions if you do not mind. What made you individually realize the limitations of your conservatism? Lastly, I’m very interested in your response to: When you were a conservative, how would you have liked to be treated/introduced to concepts the challenged your beliefs? Much thanks

I am interested in some reference points regarding the, generalized, ‘Conservative Mind.’ Not specific criticisms, observations, opinions, etc. General pointers to things such as: typical Spiral Dynamics stage(s), typical 9 Stages of Ego development stage(s), common thought patterns, use of rational, etc. Good and Bad things. Background: I am from the U.S. and am referring, mainly, to American Conservatism; I am open to international examples still. Lastly, I have heard Leo and others mention this ‘Conservative Mind’ before. The idea of it doesn’t seem too far fetched - there’s ’liberal mind’ too and, while I can always learn more, I am more familiar with it having grown up around it. I am trying to gather more patterns of Conservatism/better understand it. Currently the only patterns I have gathered, briefly described, are: Tendency towards conspiracy theories and Stage blue/Stage Orange SD. Thank you! Feel free to post links, memes, suggestions, etc. Whatever you think genuinely embodies conservatism for better or worse.

@Kalki Avatar Ironic...confusing.. but appreciated. Much love

@soos_mite_ah Fair enough. Wasn’t trying to sound close minded. I tried it and honestly it was pretty accurate. Just don’t know how or why. Maybe placebo. Maybe the universe is just messing with me. Maybe it is accurate lol. I’m not really sure about it.

You guys believe this stuff actually does something for us? Am I missing something?

No problem. You got excited from just imagining the video. You just got a ‘boost’ from imagining a video that you hope will, once it’s actually made by Leo, give you a ‘boost.’ But it’s not even made yet. You don’t even know what it would entail. Yet just imagining, whatever it is you hope to get out of that video, gave you a boost. The irony is you actually already have to have an idea of what it is you want to get out of that video - to get what you wanted out of that video. That same idea that just got you excited thinking about it. What’s that idea? What do you seek? Notice how you can answer those questions internally. So do you really need a new video to give you a boost if all you had to do was imagine that you’d be getting that boost? What if for the next 30 days you just imagined you’d be getting that boost. How excited would you be then?

@Abdelghafar @DreamScape @Leo Gura Obviously there was a goofy emoji put with this but I wouldn’t pass it as a joke. Just the imagining of the video, not even an actual video, brought excitement. Leo pointed to something powerful there.

I second this

The deepest insight is everyone is going to give you a different answer to this question.

This was good. ‘I’ think I’m at that in and out stage rn. Lotta of swings of ego backlash and then super selfless ness

You will know.

@EmptyVase We have agreement. Balance there must be. Some need to demystify the magic, some need to see it to begin with.

Good thoughts. Interesting that you feel this way

@EmptyVase Everything is ‘ mystical phenomena.’ Why would it be bad to focus on it?

@Forestluv Do we have any free will over our subconscious? It makes sense to me that our subconscious is essentially causing determinism for us - but do we have any say in what it’s going to determine. I like the idea that I have choice. I also like the idea that I’m personally just ‘watching a movie of myself.’ But I haven’t experienced the truth of the question yet. Of course I wonder: If we were able to have choice in our subconscious wouldn’t that choice also just be determined by our subconscious ?? Sounds like we don’t have free will. Still I’ll wonder the point of anything then. Fuck. Just to experience. Maybe I’m answering my own questions. Here I am wondering, ‘why do anything?’ but all the while maybe ‘anything’ has been doing me. Questions still tick though. Would it be my choice to embrace that I have no control or is that determined to?

@Ingit This sounds fucked up but it has worked. Note: It will take a lot of confidence in yourself and self-reflection. Also, it will just be difficult. But it’s worked for me in a similar situation. Just take it from her. Know relentlessly in you head that you don’t deserve any of it. That’s the most important part. You have to accept it’s not about you - it’s about her. It’s hard to accept our issues and sometimes it’s even harder to accept others, especially a loved one. Nonetheless my Dad is OCPD, depression + ADHD - so I get blame all of the time. Even when I know I don’t do anything wrong I just agree with them (without coming accords as sarcastic). I get blamed for something ‘So sorry you feel that way.’ Don’t say much more, just let the take their anger out on you. The trick to this is accepting yourself and that you didn’t do anything wrong. Between just letting my Dad yell at me, taking unwarranted blame and actually trying to act in a way that helps him/let’s him know I love him and will do whatever for him - things are much better. He actually then felt comfortable admitting some guilt to me. I got lucky there. It’s hard to just be a negativity sponge, especially from a loved one. Still, it works wonders. They get their anger out, you don’t blame yourself.

I noticed that since a young age I’ve said things like ‘numbers are not real’ or ‘that’s just made up’ or ‘we just imagine it all.’ Non-Material stuff like that. Of course most people disagree with me. My hold up is, I can think non-materially in many instances but I still accept the world as an integration between imagination and physicality. Like I know that how I imagine the physical world changes how interact with it, but is that all there is to it? Seems like I’m missing something. Is there no physical world at all? Is a an entanglement of imagination and actual physicality? Did i maybe break out of the paradigm when I was 11 and saying numbers aren’t real but didn’t know what the material paradigm was so now that I do I feel like I haven’t done it yet even though I did long ago?

That’s a healthy self he’s building himself, however, by the judgment of his recommendations - to study more material - it’s likely he hasn’t conceptualized concepts yet and that onion he speaks of peeling hasn’t realized it was never there.

@BlackMaze I cried so many times after I quit smoking weed regularly. But in a good way. In a way I knew was coming but wouldn’t happen if I kept numbing myself with weed.

Weed fucks with me after psychedelics. After the first time a did shrooms (only 1.7 gs but I'm pretty lightweight) I just felt like I didn’t need to smoke weed as much. I was a pretty heavy toker. Also when I would smoke the effects were much better after shrooms. Then I went back to smoking full time lol. Did shrooms again (same amount). This time I kept smoking weed regularly buuuut it started hitting hard. After a couple weeks of just ‘powering through’ the intensity (I was pretty addicted to weed - got rid of all of my paraphernalia and quit a bit ago though) one night I took one baby hit and was sent into full blown God mode. Scared the hell out of me but for some reason I did it again two more nights. I knew what I experienced was not bad, I just wasn’t ready for it and it was also a wake up call to stop wasting my time smoking so much weed. honestly though as scary as it was I knew what was going on. I was infinite. I could zone into anything. But much like when I was on shrooms I could also feel how I was absolutely nothing. It felt like a non-material consciousness version of George Lopez sifting like water through experience.

This was the best thing I’ve ever read ?

As a musician, this may have been the coolest thing I’ve ever seen