undeather

Hey Mike, What I learned from studying different teachers, the mystic traditions, self proclaimed seekers on the internet and my own experience of course is that there is no consensus in any shape or form when it comes to mystical experiences and their ontological value. One big reason for that is that we are kinda limited by the vessels of language and the conveying ability of this human meatsuit. Other than that, there seems to be a huge absence of humility which in my opinion, ultimately stems from that kind of infallibility you experience during such transmissions-states. You have been the universe, you are GOD, you suddenly seem to download that knowledge as you become source itself - its indiscribeable, unfathomable, psolipsistically enriched - so it HAS to be "T"rue. Yet not everyone who takes a strong psychodelic like 5-MeO-DMT and meets or identifies as Godhead/feels "L"ove or indentifies as the universe draws the same metaphysical conclusions from that experience. Not everyone who meditates for 30 years and experiences non-dual states on a regular basis comes to those conclusions (Sam Harris is a good example for that). There are literally people out there who are permanently identified with the observer (i.e "Enlightened) and would describe themselve as materialist (In fact, science and non-duality are super compatibel - so no problem there). I am not making any ontological claims here by the way. In fact, I am way more on the mystical side than anywhere else. But I also disagree a lot with many things Leo and other spiritual masters put out there. Well, to be honest - most of them disagree with each other anyway and sometimes even deny each others enlightened claims (like Osho & Krishnamurti). I guess I just became a very skeptic mystic in the last few years, based on those stories and many more of my experiences. So moral of this story: Dont believe anything/anyone here, make your own perspective. Not Leo, Not Nahm, Not Serotoninluv, not the other guys who can sometimes be really deluded in my opinion.

Experiment with it! This is obviously a highly individual thing and sometimes really, really counter intuitive. For example, some internvention might make you feel subjectively worse in general, but could also play a big positive role in your longevity. If you really want to get nerdy on that, research the Horvath-clock. Its basically a measurement of methylation processes in your DNA and propably the best predictor of your real bilogical age at the moment. We know that this clock can be influenced by certain epigenetic triggers, so if you want to have any real metric on how your diet/lifestyle is influencing your actual health, this is the way to go!

Yes, definitely! If you eat about 20% less calories than you "need", your body will activate certain genetic/epigenetic pathways that will ultimately make you live longer. At least thats the hypothesis most studies nowadays work with. Its not a fun life though. Most people will feel incredibly cold and tired because of it, so not really worth it in my opinion. Also, most of the data is comming from studies with rodents. There are some epidemiologic human studies out there that show a similar result, but the interpretation is quite difficult because of all the cofactors that come into play. We will have to wait and see! What we already know for sure is that a high plant based, high fiber, high good carb diet is a wonderful key for longevity. And regarding the breathatarians: There is still a huge difference between someone who eats less and someone who eats nothing. As you already mentioned, there is an incredible amount of ego/illusion involved with those practices and esoterica in general.

Can you please point out the exact video and the moment he says that?

Haha what the fuck?

Exactly, maybe after years of meditation its possible for some humans to gain control over that. Nevertheless, I will remain skeptic about it since I have never seen it work. What I never understood: If you really have that power, why not show it to the world? You will easily find scientist/sceptics who are willing to give it a shot, why not show them? This could paradigm shift our human existence to the next level and do so much good. As for the obesity crisis, thats a difficult issue. You have many aspects to deal with but I would argue that the right upbringing and your level of mindfulness are 2 key components to fight it. I have told many of my patients that the right diet will not only protect, but can also reverse heart disease in some cases (Esselstyn diet) - yet the majority prefers to grab some statin (cholesterol lowering drug) and keep their current lifestyle instead of changing a habit. The roots for that are known, we just crave sugary, fatty, salty food due to our evolutional blueprint, plus change is always difficult and inevitably connected with suffering. For grown ups, I dont see any solution whatsoever to improve this on a global stage, the fast & bullshit food industry is just way too strong/present for that to happen. Most people are just not interested in changing their diet or the habits surrounding that issue. The best thing we can do, in my opinion, is focusing on the children while hammering out content like game changers that reaches at least some people in the older community. What I found out works very well sometimes is adding some healthy parts to a bad diet, which is the furthest I can go with about 90% of my patients. Another big part is that there is so much "confusion" going on in the diet-world. We have so many proponents of so many different diets, we are literally getting overflowed with information,yet most of it is dangerous noise. Its not that difficult actually. Basically all the nutritional reasearch of a healthy diet can be summed up in 3 statemants: "Eat REAL food, mostly plants, not too much" - Michael Polan PS: IF anyone in here possesses some kind "breathitarian" or "light food"- abilities and want to prove this under controlled circumstences, therefore propably winning the nobel price and helping millions of people worldwide, contact me please. I am a medical doctor and also clincial researcher that can make that happen for you. I am NOT soem stage orange skeptic, dont worry about that

I love how you all buy in some Neo-advaita vedanta interpretation of non-duality because daddy Leo said so in his videos. I would almost bet on the fact that a majority of you guys didnt get that from your own experience, but more likely learned about it conceptually and then interpreted your experience through that lense. I guess that after all that, we still are those story telling monkeys Mckenna talked about. Still apprechiate every and each one of you obviously <3

Greetings, dear colleague! I think the notion Lento points to is the claim that some yogis/mystics have claimed autonomy from earthly resources, including food and water after decades of meditation by realizing the illusory nature of reality. Some years ago there was a documentary about that on television where some guys claimed that they can nourish their body through "sunlight energy", sadly one of them died because of underweight. The indian military used to study that phenomenon because they saw enormous potential for that kind of "siddhi". Yet despite studying multiple, self procalimed masters, none of them could prove their claim under controlled circumstances. They all lost weight in the 30 day fasting period, while some even suffered from critical health consequences (especially hyperkalaemia/natraemia) in the first days. Even though I am ridicolously open minded, I highly doubt that anything like that exists. (IF it does, then its almost a freak of nature kind of thing) I think Lento is telling himself a story, I will remain agnostic to that position.

I actually am a medical doctor working in a hospital. I have SEEN people dying of prerenal kidney failure because they didnt drink enough water. You are delusional.

It has to be proven that your body dies when you dont drink water?

They should do an MMA fight about who got the better teachings

You dont have to. But the human meatsuit you currently "control" will die if you dont. Its part of the illusion!

Smart post! The question I have is why did someone dig up my post from a year ago?

WAnted to contribute, but you already hit the nail on the head!

Aha. Well I call bullshit. What about this one? Sounds pretty ego-minded to me: Literally nobody is talking about existential axioms or ontology here, this is all about relative truth. Again, how is debating the health effects of a vegan diet and exposing lies that are made up by some baffoon "relativistic hearsay"? You can literally deny ANY discussion about anything with the right amount of relativism, but that doesnt get us anywhere as a collective.

This was a debate and it had a great impact on how people view plant based diets. Wilks exposed Kressers lies and bullshit for good. SO dont say debates cant accomplish anything worthwhile.

Ciao, mio amicho! This is spiritual bypassing. Stop with all that positive/negative energy bullshit right now - its not a usefull concept to deal with your problem. You are making up stories. Its perfectly fine and also necessary to stand up for yourself if needed. Do it conciously, but DO IT! Its better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener in a war. The best way I encountered to deal with that problem is learning some kind of martial art. Not because you want to break someones bones - but there is something kinda magical happening if you feel like you can defend yourself in a certain situation. Your vibe/"energy" changes and people wont fuck with you that often. People propably pick on you because you seem like an easy target, thats what has to change. Really consider that. Its much, much, much more useful than reading a book about self-esteem or other theoretical stuff like that. Love, undeather

Because thats Leos opinion and others will disagree with that. You will find all kind of different behaviours when you study the enlightenend ones.

Did you experience any kind of Siddhis along your journey? Thank you for answering the questions and good job on that awakening mah boy!

Jeffrey Epstein didnt kill himself.

First of all, the most important thing on actualized.org: Dont ask other people if you should do X. Everyone projects their own lifes misery and experiences onto your question, sometimes not even that. Sometimes, they just listen to a youtube video where some 3rd guy tells them "X is bad" and they just adopt this as truthclaim without putting a second of critical thought or research into it. Its not their fault, we are just story telling monkeys and love shit like that. In reality, life is incredibly complex and NEVER a black or white thing. So, that said - here is the deal: What would be the smart thing to do? Maybe instead of making it a binary question, why not try it and see for yourself? Why not abandon facebook for, lets say, 4 weeks and then come back and see how your life has changed? Maybe its 200% better, maybe its worse. Find that out. Also, and this is my personal opinion: If you cant deal with "low conciousness" (which is a bullshit term if you ask me), jealousy and "negative believes" on a freaking website, then how are you supposed to deal with all that in real life? You will bombarded with all that crap everyday, all day, for the rest of your life. The enlightened thing is not to dodge anything negative, its to fully embrace it and see it for what it is. Everything else is spiritual bypassing and will lead you to hell. If I read a super negative comment on facebook, I literally have to laugh out loud. At a certain level of conciousness you start to embrace that stuff instead of hiding from it. Nontheless, social media addiction is a real thing. I know people in my direct social circle who waste hours everyday on instagram, making the perfect picture to hold up some fake identity. Personally, I dont mind those platforms at all - I use them daily, but maybe post like 3 pictures in one year. The problem is when the platform uses you and not the other way around. Anyway, wanted to write more but got to go! I hope you find yoru way, Love, undeather!

I have no idea what you are talking about, but.... You cant kill your ego. If you want to kill your ego, jump off a bridge, thats a way to get rid of it. You want to realize the illusive nature of the ego and not purely identify with it. Thats what meant with "dying before you die" or "spiritual death". Egoless means more. Becoming enlightenend means making your ego more including until it incorporates infinity, therefore merging into what it was before you found yourself in that meatsuit. Dont bullshit yourself.

Oh god, what a cringe festival.

I like this one.

About 6 years ago, I came across Leo & Actualized.org. This bald guy and his kinda small youtube-channel, just love at first sight I guess. Little did I know that this scrawny man in his black T-shirt will change the way I looked at things forever. Was it first for those self development content he put out, he later took me on the ride into this beautiful abyss called spirituality. He fed me the red pill. What this means in particular does not really matter. All that matters is what I learned about this community, enlightenment itself and the ridiculous tumors it sometimes gives birth to. It seems to me, that the spiritual journey, is the purest of all hero journeys. What that means though, is that at the end, only a few courageous warriors will gain the real treasure, whilst well over 90% get lost in the swamps and come out worse than they got in. Sounds pessimistic? Well, maybe it does. But I have seen so much bullshit and so little real advice in this community, its not even funny anymore. Most spiritual masters/people lack nuance on every level. Leo, is definitely one of the better ones and thats why I decided to put this here. So who am I to say such brave things? Who am I to dare to question the advice of the enlightened ones? It doesn't really matter. Take the message, ignore the messenger. This is what I wanted to hear when I was stuck. If you can look at things just the way they are, you will come to the same conclusions. Some of you will hate what I have to say, others will like it. This is not about the denial of absolute truth or any other spiritual axiom that is known the be true since millennia. This is about the advice I see popping up basically everywhere in this community, presented in the typical blind leading the blind fashion. Because of all that, I decided to put something out. Something that counteracts so much of the nonsense I read on this boards everyday. This is it. Inspired by Jamie Wheal, Ken Wilber, and many others, including my experiences/insights in the last 6 years, here are 12 suggestions for life, an antidote to spiritual bullshitting. If you are a new or intermediate seeker, I highly suggest you to take a hard look at those. Please note that I deliberately used the word "suggestion" instead of "rule". Many points are comming from a highly nuanced perspective and not from any absolute standpoint. You might have an allergic reaction to some things mentioned, and thats perfectly fine. Dont be dumb, think a bit. Thanks! 1) Do the obvious Take all the "biohacking" and "personal optimization" off the table. We literally do so much crazy shit to "enhance our life", yet we most often forget to do the basic stuff. This is the bottom of the pyramid. If you dont have these one in order, your lifes quality will drastically suffer. We tend to forget that taking care of our meatsuit is a crucial basic fundament for any possible growth. So fuck your crossfit, fuck your perfectly balanced diet, fuck your bulletproof-bullshit or Ben Greenfield idiocracy - KEEP IT SIMPLE. DO THE BASICS. -Sleep deeply -Move often -Get outside (sunshine/water/trees/fresh air) -Eat real food ("mostly plants, not too much"- Michael Pollan) -Bathe regularly (Daily hygiene is a no-brainer - this is more about hot/cold - sauna/icebath. -Make and play music -BREATHE (Our life is only as good as our breathing! This is so often dismissed and not really talked about, yet so crucial.) -Grieve FULLY (weep, dont whimper!!) -Make love -Have meaningful human relationships -Be grateful 2) Dont do stupid shit We have unprecedented access to the world's most potent ecstatic technologies. They always used to be tightly controlled and connected with strict rituals & rules, yet it seems like that our narcissistic, dumb western culture is about to fuck it up for the rest of us. It really grinds my gear when I see people smoke 5-MeO-DMT at a psytrance-festival. How dumb can you be? Use those tools in a respectful and appropriate manner. Dont chase for the highs and the next ecstasy. Integrate what you have learned and keep your hands away from it for some time. This is why discipline is such an important thing in your spiritual journey. Dont end up in a: Cult, Body Bag, Jail Cell, Rehab or Looney Bin! 3) Let the mystery stay the mystery Dont presume to map the infinite. If you every checked the accounts of the deepest mystic you will recognize really fast that NONE OF THEM MATCH UP! The reason for that is beacuse every attept is mediated by humans and the prisonhouse of language. Let the mysery stay the mystery. Share your perspective but realize that its just a perspective, not more, not less. When you think you have the answer, you stop seeking - Instead, plant a garden where mystery and strange plants bloom. 4) Fuck your journey "Love Keeps No Record of Wrong" - St. Paul Whatever gets us to the Deep Now is both redeemed as an essential part of our path and utterly irrelavant campared to the exquisite quality of the Moment we are blessed to share. Show us how much you have grown, but please, dear God, stop telling us! Stop being a epiphanywhore. 5) Do the hard thing "If you have got to eat two frogs in a day, eat the ugliest one first" - Mark Twain We all kinda know what we have to do, but we usually dont do it. Do the hard thing and rest of life becomes easier! Do what inherently scares you! Ask that girl out, create that business, go to that vipassana retreat, take that psychodelic (CAVE: see suggestion 2) Stoicism is a great framework for helping with that kind of issue. BTW: Can anyone make a petition to bring the old Leo thumbnails back? 6) Never lose the One You can go anywhere you want, and think anything you want, as long as you can reverse your steps and make it back to the last known point of consensus reality - the One. So get funky, tweak it out, freak freely, but be sure to stick the landing. This is such an important point, yet so rarely mentioned. I have seen people getting lost in the spiritual domain, never to be found again. Always put down your string when you enter the labyrinth. 7) Its not that either No matter how dazzling your latest breakthrough, "download" or insight, its still only a piece of the puzzle. It may be lowercase "t" true, but the second you assert it's uppercase Capital "T" TRUE, it's become false, just by overstating the claim. You can no more become fully enlightened than you can become fully educated. Take the insights for what/all that they are and KEEP going! If you have found the answer, you didnt. 8) Dont build on a weak fundament Honestly, if you are at a low point in your life, then this is not the the right time to start a spiritual path. Its not. Everyone who says so and doesn't tell you about the dangers/difficulties that come with going on this journey is lying to you or has no real knowledge about it. Its basically sending a soldier who suffers from PTSD back into the war zone. Dont listen to anyone that who tells you otherwise. Most often you don't really know what your psyche can bare and what will trigger a heavy psychosis. If you are in a deep depression right now or have any other psychological/physiological difficulties, give yourself at least 5 years to fix them. It doesnt mean that you cant use tools out of the high conciousness toolbox. Psychodelics, after all, are propably the best thing to battle depression with, right now (in the right setting of course). Just be careful and take care of your needs. Take Maslows hierachy of needs as orientation. Maybe your lack of sexual intercourse is going to bite you in the ass later, you never know. Build on a strong fundament and you will be far more likely to succeed. This is so freaking important, yet talked about so rarely. 9) Be from this world,, but not of it Do you live in unity with everything? Maybe after some DMT or heroic dose of mushrooms - but not now. Life can be difficult and cruel. No conceptual philosophizing about how "good and evil" don't really exist will help you with that (Even though its valid from an absolute perspctive). You cant talk yourself out of a depressive episode. If your best friends dies, you will be fucking sad. Yes, this is a movie and you are the thing, that light and the projector itself. But as long as you just know this on a conceptional level, with a glimpse of "being" the projector light here and there, it wont change much. Its true for almost all people who will read this: You will remain in a relative world for 99,999% of your time. So yes, improve your consciousness. Take the psychodelics. Meditate. Do some weird astral projection shit. But don't forget that there are situations where you act from absolute and other where a relative perspective is the way to go. Its a paradox, understand and embrace it. 10) Wake up, grow up, show up SHOW- UP: "Barefooted and naked of breast, I mingle with the people of the world. My clothes are ragged and dust-laden, and I am ever blissful. I use no magic to extend my life; Now, before me, the dead trees become alive." - 10th Ox Herding picture 11) Play Go out there and play this game. Its all about the game. Use spirituality to enhance the experience. Become the player, not the character. Dont let anybody tell you what "low conciousness thing" you better shouldnt do. Experience life fully & conciously. Follow your desires but realise them for what they are. 12) "Above All, Be Kind" Dying words of Aldous Huxley, famed philosopher and man of letters, while holdind the hands of his soul mate Laura (under influence of 200 mcg of Sandoz LSD 25). If its good enough for Aldous, its good enough for us. After all, if we skip this part, does any of the rest really matter? Love, undeather PS: Thanks again Jamie Wheal for your amazing teachings (Some points directly taken from him) https://www.flowgenomeproject.com/ Thanks Rebel wisdom for giving that guy a platform https://www.rebelwisdom.co.uk/