Loveeee

Projecting much

I do both, yes pain is knowledge

There's no one in Gaza, there is no Gaza

If you ain't aware of it it ain't happening

Sure but I mean sometimes I'm cringing in front of these videos then I come back to my senses and snap out of it

lmao that came outta nowhere

When Lina used the "Syrian refugees doing the same in Europe" analogy, I did bring up historical connection because it felt wrong But that doesn't make it right Two wrongs don't make a right

In Israel, which I didn't know but even so, going from 10 to 50 % in 30 years then create a state based on that, is simply wrong

My claim is that the displacement is implicit in the partition, how else can you create a Jewish state with a Jewish minority ? Choosing their citizenship ? If you're no longer a citizen that is effectively equivalent to being displaced, you're not in your country anymore

@DawnC @Lila9 @Nivsch @Gennadiy1981 What do you think ?

@lina I mean I tried to see both sides of the equation but I guess I'm back to the light

Good point actually Can't have a Jewish state with a Jewish minority The partition plan was basically a displacement plan so of course the Arabs refused "250,000 of them would have to be removed by force to make the Jewish state viable" (6:40) Biased source and hard to verify but still, point taken

I mean zionist is almost an insult where I live in France but when you think of it @DawnC Very complex situation indeed, thanks for the link

Can't we only assume since the war started immediately ? Do you have sources on that ? Neither Arabs nor Jews owned the lands at first, then if you create several states for the Arabs why not 1 for the Jews ? Syrian refugees don't have historical connections to Europe, represent nowhere near 30 or even 10% of the population, Jews had nowhere else to go at the time, and the context allowed for the creation of new states which it doesn't now in Europe, so is it actually comparable ?

Am I a zionist now ? What have I become ! Israel is wrong for the settlements now so I assumed it was wrong from the beginning

Wasn't the Nakba the backfire of the war Arabs themselves started against Israel ? Thanks for the documentary

@DawnC Settlements are still messed up though

Actually that's a key point that was blurry to me so I investigated then asked ChatGPT ▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎ Me : Arabs wanted independence from the Turcs so they rebelled against the Ottoman empire with the help of the West with the promise of said independence, same promise was made to Jews. Some states were created, like Palestine, to which more jews came because of WW2. Then the West gave Jews a portion of Palestine which became Israel, with a shared Jerusalem. Is that correct ? ChatGPT Your summary captures some key aspects of the historical events, but it's a bit simplified. Here's a more detailed overview: Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire: During World War I, Arab leaders in the Middle East, with the support of the British and French (part of the Allied Powers), rebelled against the Ottoman Empire with the hope of achieving greater autonomy and, in some cases, full independence. Promises to Arabs and Jews: The Arabs were given promises of independence and self-determination in the region through the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence and the Sykes-Picot Agreement. At the same time, the Balfour Declaration in 1917 expressed British support for a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. Creation of Mandates: After World War I, the League of Nations granted Britain and France mandates over various territories in the Middle East, including Palestine. These mandates were meant to prepare the territories for self-government. Immigration of Jews to Palestine: Jewish immigration to Palestine increased, particularly during and after World War II, due to the Holocaust and the plight of Jewish refugees. Establishment of Israel: In 1947, the United Nations approved a plan to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with an international administration for Jerusalem. The State of Israel was declared in 1948, leading to conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. The situation is more complex than can be fully covered in a brief summary, but your description captures some of the main elements of this historical context. ▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎ So I mean yeah it's not like Jews stole from Arabs, rather each was given land/independence Arabs called it unfair but considering they got multiple states the 1948 war was uncalled for I wonder what could be an counter-argument to that, maybe still oversimplied ? I'll dig deeper

Where's the debunking video ?

I love that there are so many levels to consciousness It's like good anime with great powerscaling

I'm interested in understanding all povs but endless debate won't cut it, I shoulder rather research stuff, like this which I have yet to watch If you have more feel free to share

@DawnC You could argue to the end of time which I'm not gonna do, yet another distraction presented by my Self

One side was immigrant and a minority (30%, too much too fast)

(According to ChatGPT) The 1948 Arab-Israeli War ensued when Israel declared independence despite the Arab rejection of the partition plan, which was mainly due to : ▪︎ Opposition to the Establishment of Israel : The Arab states, along with the Palestinian Arab leadership, opposed the establishment of a Jewish state in what they considered to be Arab-majority territory. They viewed the partition plan as unfair and illegitimate. ▪︎ Concerns About Displacement : The plan would have led to the displacement of Arab Palestinians from areas designated for a Jewish state. Arab leaders were concerned about the fate of Palestinian Arabs who would become refugees in the process.

But who is responsible for Hamas