Breakingthewall

Sadhguru says that in the West we all obey God's absolute truth, while in the East people must seek truth within themselves. This is partly true; the West has been entirely absolutist. The Catholic Church, which is more Augustinian than Christian, establishes the most terrifying system of thought in human history. God, who is love, condemns you to eternal hell by default, because of Adam's sin, and perhaps, if you absolutely obey what the Church says, you can save yourself from being tortured for eternity. This highly effective system was invented by Saint Augustine in the 5th century and copied by Muhammad in the 6th. It completely castrates minds; it is extreme violence. people like Ramakrishna, rabindranath tagore, would be burned by the Church. But the Augustinian system has a brutal effect on the European psyche. It creates a civilization of fragmented people, enslaved by an impossible system in which you are ordered to love your enemies and be humble when reality demands the exact opposite. Sad, depressed, terrified people. A Japanese samurai didn't have to love or be pure of heart; he had to obey, period. He did, and that was that. A Christian could never, under any circumstances, be a "good Christian." It would have had to be Jesus Christ, and no one is. The final twist is Protestantism. There, the repression is brutal, and all that repressed energy explodes in a creative and conquering impulse unparalleled in history. Europe is uncomfortable in its own skin and must move forward. Its advance is unstoppable, as we have seen. The price is inherent unhappiness, feel of guilty, dissatisfaction. The result is evolution. Life seeks the best way to move forward. Happiness is not important, evolution is. What works succeeds.

@Someone here I'd say your problem is pretty obvious. You're trapped in your own mind. Most likely, your emotional situation within your family was, let's say, difficult, and you've built energetic barriers. At the time, they were protection; now they're a prison. It's not easy to open those kinds of prisons. The first step is to realize it and want to break it down.

@Someone here Open yourself to the essence of reality and you will see the essence of reality in others, not just the form

The self is a construct that occurs in the brain, has genetic bases and is as physical as your bones; it occurs by creating pre-established neural pathways, similar in all humans. It's distribution is more or less this: Prefrontal cortex: identity, control, planning Limbic system : emotion, attachment, fear Insula : bodily sense of “being someone” Cingulate cortex :conflict, self-observation Default mode network : narrative of self, past-future It starts at the age of 2, and it's fully established at the age of 5, but not totally closed/matured until the age of 25. The self is built by symbolic language. "Mine", "inside", "you". Without language there is not narrative self. Also by memory. Without memory there is not continuity, nor identity And over all by the basics genetic implanted needs: attachment and validation: how they look at me , how they love me, how they reject me. And over over all: fear. The self has its root in the need of self protection. And you said that this is just a silly misunderstanding? Ha ha ha . Quite silly, sure Awakening, enlightenment, as you want to name it, is not the realization of the so silly misunderstanding of the reality, that YOU realized, it's the perfect alignment of the hiper complex structures that build the perfect sistem of the human self

The point would be to fully understand what enlightenment means. What I see is that it means being open to your true nature. This doesn't imply that you're an ascetic or someone who doesn't desire, but rather that you've managed to synchronize your energetic structure so that it doesn't close off. But you are still you, a human with a mental structure, a body, etc. Your true nature isn't a "you," it isn't someone who does, nor is it absolute consciousness; it's total openness. You truly are that, but the manifestation of that is now a human, so the one who wants things is the human. Even the one who is conscious is the human (I know no one will agree with this). Absolute openness doesn't want things; it is absolute openness. It isn't something; it's the absence of limits. It isn't grasped by the mind; it opens when, deep within the structure of your mind, there is a hole, not a definition.

Void is a very bad term ,It's been grating in my mind ever since I wrote it. It's a term that closes. The absolute is openness, period.

That's not because that reason; it's because forms don't arise based on a divine plan, they arise through structural coherence with the totality of infinite forms. If you reach a state of total enlightenment, you can't do anything paranormal at all; the only change you can make is in your inner energetic structure. And not even that; it's the other way around: the change in your energetic structure is what can make enlightenment happen. Really is more nothing, in the sense that Imagine mixing all of that together and expanding it without limit. What remains is a bottomless, boundless void. It's total potential, but the absolute itself isn't something. If it is something, it's because it's not yet absolute. It's simply openness. If you think about it, it's impossible to grasp. If you take a psychedelic and your mind isn't prepared, the experience will be either horrific nihilism or your mind will find a way to avoid confronting it. If your mind has released enough baggage, total openness is total freedom, and it's perceived as totality, but it's not a will, entity, intelligence, divinity. All that are possibilities that arise, but not the absolute. The only final realization is the openess to the absolute, and for that our mind need to be free of the need of "something". It's not easy, but could be not so difficult if it were clear, not a mess.

The point is that being unlimited means having no center or boundaries. This means that any will or intelligence is something that emerges in the Absolute, not the Absolute itself. Seems unimportant but it's essential. Your question is: if the unlimited cannot desire, would that be a limit? The answer is that any desire is local, not absolute. A desire is limited by definition. If you want to create a mental framework that makes openness to the Absolute possible, you have to understand that the Absolute cannot have any quality except being unlimited. The moment you say, "The Absolute creates reality out of love," you have introduced limits in every direction. The formulation that doesn't limit would be: Form arises as an inevitable expression of the Absolute because there is nothing to limit it. And any will is a form.

Sure, what we are is an energetic pattern developing and constantly changing, and that change can take different directions. But if we're talking about enlightenment, the point is to dilute the density enough to realize our essential nature. This nature is total openness, and to open yourself to it, we have to be free of any identification. The slightest thing closes you off. Opening yourself to the totality for a moment allows a progressive restructuring of our structure, which little by little becomes more transparent. The problem is that if you get stuck in a trap like identifying with being consciousness or whatever, it happens like a river dam. There's an expansion, but of your ego.

Thanks for appreciating. The problem isn't just that they express their ideas as dogma; it's that if you try to have an in-depth conversation about the points they present, they either get angry or do what James does when he's at a dead end: turn the conversation around and say, "You're suffering a lot, brother, I love you. Let go of all that mental mess and be free ❤️." Let's see, I present ideas like: "Form is created by coherent, interwoven patterns." You might reply: "That's impossible because where does the first pattern come from?" Perfect! That's exactly what I want; challenge my vision so I can develop it and see where it fails. But nobody's going to do that; they're just going to get angry, lie, and try to appear "more"

It's very simple, you are not god in the sense that is not a creator or a center. If it were, it would be limited. It's so obvious that seem weird that people don't see it. The main difficulty in spirituality is dissolving the center, then people take psychedelic and expand their ego. God as creator is ego expansion. You are "God" in the sense that you are the unlimited appearing as a form, but the unlimited doesn't "wants". Contemplate it , it's absolutely simple and obvious. If the absolute wants, it would be relative. The absolute is total, and you, the human, are a possibility that appears because the coherence with the totality of the form . Seems a small difference, but it's the difference between the chain and the freedom

@Ishanga Anyone can say whatever they want if it comes from a place of honesty, but if it stems from a need to appear "more", it's exhausting. Most people involved in spirituality are driven by narcissism, which is why it's such a complicated issue. I speak about this because, for me, it's a way to refine my understanding. It's an exercise in comprehension. It's essential to achieve a conceptual framework free of inconsistencies that lead to closure; not everything is about energy practice, there's also mental practice. It's essential, and it's not formulated. No spiritual tradition explain clearly this matter, and it's possible to do it.

You could be enlightened, drug addict, rapist, anything, then we can talk about it, but if you tell me when I question any statement to have a real conversation: lovely brotha, you are on deep sleep because love is everything and I'm before birth because love is so lovely 😍 😍 😍 😍, I love you so much, I hope you stop your deep suffering, then if I have not a punching bag close to hit it during at least 3 hours, maybe I can't avoid some stupid responses. I try to avoid, really, but sometimes I fail. The solution is don't talk with narcissist, but almost everyone who's in spirituality are

It's not the stuff, are the lies, but anyway, it's normal, it's spirituality. 99,9 , or maybe 100% is narcissism. Spirituality is a scam, it's becoming the new religion.

It's not so simple. There always remains the observer, the witness to the experience. Even with high doses of psychedelics, it's still there. This observer creates a complete fracture, a duality. It's extremely difficult for it to fall. It seems to fall, then people say it's pure consciousness. Consciousness being conscious of something? Of something else? Always the fracture. God dreaming. Dreaming something? Illusion vs. reality, ego vs. non-dual consciousness. Fractures.

@James123 anyway , sorry for getting triggered like always. Same than before birth and deep sleep brother 😅

The most likely, if not almost certain, thing that happens when you die is reincarnation. But it's not you who is reincarnated; rather, a similar, related structural pattern emerges, building upon the previous one. There is no soul that changes incarnation, but rather a structure that emerges based on another. The point is that you are not you; you are the total unfathomable, not an individual nor an entity. So, when you die, another framework of possibilities simply begins.

All of that is coherent and inevitable possibility of reality, but it is not reality itself. Brahman, Shiva, Kali, it's best to forget all of that. Enlightenment is absolute openness, nothing more than that. Anything "more" is a possibility that can manifest. It is content. Enlightenment is structural; it is not religious, divine, or sacred. The sacred and divine are possibilities that your human consciousness perceives. What reality is is openness. It's very important to understand that. Let's see if I can explain properly. I'm sure that what I'm talking about, this topic is extremely twisted, very difficult.

Man please, Im talking seriously about enlightenment. I know that for you it's very important to be popular. Well, as I know that I don't know why I'm talking to you. Just a waste of energy. Stop being a clown, you are a man right? Act like a man.

There is not an hallucination or a dream, is the form that reality is taking now. Any form ultimately is the unlimited, spiritual work means open yourself to it, it's a very concrete energetic movement, extremely simple, and extremely difficult

None of that has any relation to enlightenment. Zero. Enlightenment is the breaking of the center and total openness. It is that and only that. It cannot be described except negatively: absence of limits. It is impossible to think of.

The point is not what appears, what's true , etc, it's dissolving the limits, let the center fall. It's not easy, it's a big energetic shift.

Mm What is your intention? Be honest maybe?

There you are creating a limit between you and what appears. Being the observer is a limit, it's the center. The limit that is more difficult to break, the most counterintuitive. Everything could appear empty, mind without thought, absolute stillness, but the center is still there. The center must fall, there is the real thing. Infinite, finite, illusion, truth, all that are just limits. When the limits fall, the openess is total. Very difficult, the last frontier.

Deep sleep is one facet of reality, and being awake is another, don't you think? Defining reality as deep sleep versus being awake sounds, let's say, Incomprehensible, to say the least. What you do all the time is define reality based on ideas that exclude everything that has form, labeling it as false, and the truth is deep sleep because that's what existed before birth. Do you understand how those ideas sound? Try this mental frame: Reality is limitless. Our current state is limited. Limits are energetic and mental (for example, believing that deep sleep is real and being awake is false). Spiritual work is about dissolving limits until only total openness remains. Simple, right? Without all that mess about deep sleep.