Breakingthewall

God is the unlimited, and you are that. Because only the unlimited is, and it is because it's unlimited. Limits and forms appears in it, because appearances are made of límits. All of them relative and logic, same the unlimited is also logic, it's logic is this: as there are not limits, the unlimited is. And this is everything.

@Majed how do you know? How anyone could awake to the fact that the others have not experience? You could have that feeling in some moment, but that's meaningless. It's crazy, you can't awake to thing that you don't know just because you have a feeling that seems very true. What if you awake to the fact that Putin hates you and he want to put uranium in your coffee? No more coffee in the mornings?

Of course you are right. I like the topic of the self, then if there is the opportunity of talking about it I will do because thinking about the topic is a pleasure for me, but at the end it's a nonsensical argument

I hope you feel safe with your mental twist. What is clear is that you can't have a conversation, just repeating your mantra to avoid the fact of your limitation. Spiritual boredom.

Learned where? It's just obvious, the unlimited is expansion, creation. Just see what you are without the filter of the mind right now.

Maybe you can't see that what you are is an expression of the reality. You can disappear as this form, but the reality can't disappear. Your memories, your current structure is irrelevant, what you are is the unlimited. Reincarnation isn't needed, there are already infinite incarnations, just break the limits and would be obvious.

Before what? After what? Just reality unfolding, same than now.

Nobody claims to be the ownership of the introspection, the introspection is the self in the form of introspection. The "habitual thought process" means a unbelievable net of lógical interactions that are happening in the reality, and it's result is the knowledge of being or consciousness . That awareness of being is the self itself. If you want to be selfless, just sleep or die. The problem here is that what you call self is just the conceptual idea of a person, that's very basic. If you had meditated some years you would see that you could totally empty the mind and still there is knowledge of being, that is, consciousness. That is the self, and it's absolutely real being conscious. Disappear when you are unconscious. But other self could appear, in fact infinite of them. All are the same, the reality knowing that is.

No, there is not a person in the body, the body is a dynamic process that we call person, includes a brain, that is the structure of the mind. If Muhammad said, then should be true I guess. But look, all can be one essentially, it's obvious: everything is the reality. But as a forms they are separate. You don't need to be a genius to understand it

So, as you can't maintain a serious conversation about the topic you use irony, and your main argument is: I realized that the self is illusion. Well, some realized that they are Jesus or Napoleon. How? They just realized.

That's not the case. A person is a hyper-complex process created in the depths of evolutionary time, possessing fixed structures and the capacity for learning. What is learned, what you call thoughts, becomes a stable part of that process; it is not an illusion, it is entirely real. A human is conscious of themselves and of the reality outside of themselves, with which they constantly exchange information. There is no illusion if you perceive yourself as separate from another human being. You are. As ultimate reality, you may be the same, but as a process, you are two. Spirituality invents concepts that provide emotional relief, but they have the flaw of being false.

You are, but you could have a lie in your basis, or maybe you have removed that lie. Humans function by emotion, and emotion makes us to lie ourselves, because we can't face the truth. Then you could be integral, committed to the truth, or you can seek your emotional well-being by making that commitment more...lax. Then you're simply a liar, as we can see so often

Reality always appears as a dynamic relationship, since "appearing" equals dynamic relationship. Every relationship is governed by logic; there are no non-logical relationships, since relationship=logic. The human mind creates models of the universe through logical relationships and uses logic to understand and predict possibilities. The logic with which the mind operates is made up of relationships between ideas, and these relationships can be correct or incorrect, since at the level of association between ideas, the mind is a model of reality. The point is to refine the logic of association between ideas by eliminating everything that is not absolutely logical. If you allow a virus of illogical association to operate stably in your mind, it will lead to incorrect associations, which will cause you to separate (psychologically) from the true flow of reality. Its much better having few logical frames that are clean and aligned that a world of ideas with a small mistake in its basis, because this mistake will grow and you will get lost, as it's usual in humans

And how did you do this introspection? You started to think: where is the self? Oh, it's nowhere! Then there is no self! Well, maybe some people like scientist and those dumbs could think that your investigation was, let's say, not so profound as if could be. Maybe you need that conclusion because you listened it in some videos of non duality and you felt that this would be freedom? Just think about it

It's quite obvious; let's see if you can continue denying it. Processes occur in the universe, some of them incredibly complex, creating a model of reality, like an interface between the external and the internal, and we call this the conscious mind. The fact of being conscious implies a conscious subject. Who is this subject? The process that is occurring. It knows it exists, that it is a process, and that if its head is cut off with a samurai sword, the process ends. Where's the mystery? Is it, in your opinion, an illusion that you exist as an interconnected process we call human? The process is the very fact of being conscious and the self, since the fact of being conscious always, absolutely always, implies a self. There is no consciousness without a self, even if it's completely basic, like that of a newborn sardine. The sardine knows absolutely nothing except that it is, and that is the self. It knows it is because it has a brain that processes information and creates a predictive model with memory, even if it's a goldfish's memory. This implies a self. Who is the self? The process that we call sardine. Is it complicated? If the process ends, the self ends, but any other conscious experience would be a self. Then we could say: the reality has self. Because it's conscious of itself through the sardines, that knows that they are

Answer this Is there an experience? Is there perception, awareness of existing? Yes right? Well, let's say that you answer yes. Forget the character, nobody is talking about the character, there is nobody receiving the experience, nobody who is aware or the fact of existing. There is only the experience, and the awareness of existing, without a canter or a owner. Well this awareness is the fucking "you", not a character that has an history and that. The character is another level of the fact of being aware of existing that happens in the human experience, but it's nature is always the fact of being aware of existing In short: The fact of being aware of existing is what we call "you" or self.

Yeah, you are so authentic. Like the other. Spiritual people....

Then who is making that reasoning? "You"? It's also a logical reasoning, same than when you say that the self doesn't exist, another logical reasoning. Anyway, think what "you" want to feel safe

Every word that you emit has the sole purpose of elevate your self image. Then there is no sense or real content, there is no conversation possible, sadly. I tried but it's useless.

Yes, it's clear that you are full of love and joy. You make a lot of effort to make clear how full of love and happiness you are, but in every sentence it's a smell of narcissism, sadness and desire of superiority. You can't deceive anyone except blind people

You could empty your mind of content, or use logic. Are two different states, it doesn't imply that logic is wrong. The point is using logic. Without flaws

I already did, it's a relational structure, a model that the brain creates. It's just antrophormize the reality. Maybe the next thing you could say is that as I can't be out of my experience only my experience exist. This is the way of reasoning of a flat earth believer . It's not an attack, just try to see this perspective, then dismiss it if you see that it's wrong If there is not an structure that register the reality, creates a duality and predict the next, there is not consciousness, it's like anesthesia, unconsciousness, but reality still exist. Believing that consciousness is necessary occurs because you need a conscious creator, because you can't see a reality that emerges instead to be created, then you need a Deus ex machina to explain everything. And you need it because you are conscious, and you can't see that unconsciousness is exactly the same but without awareness of yourself. Awareness is something that can arise, not something essential. Contemplate that consciousness without registration of change is exactly unconsciousness, then pure empty consciousness is unconsciousness, same if you are in anesthesia.

Bullshit ? It's so exhausting to talk with defensive narcissist who can't see more than their need of being special. Look, what I pointed is almost impossible to understand for a blocked mind like yours, absolutely focused in self image and defense, but make an effort and try to don't insulting.

You can understand that the taste of an apple is a subjetive experience that happens due a structure that creates a reality where a model of the interaction of an organism and the universe is defined, then that taste is just another code of information. Of course this code is absolutely alive, same than anything else, because it's an expression of the unlimited, that lives because it's unlimited. Absolutely logical as you could see. The part of the lover and loved and nothing is just an interpretation based in mystical text from ancient times, that content powerful intuitions but lacks the logical knowledge that we have nowadays. You can't say that reality is "nothing" because nothing is a concept that implies absence, so it doesn't fit with the topic.

Consciousness is being aware. It's something, means that it's awareness. It's not a previous condition, it's not necessary, and unconscious universe could happen. Again, consciousness can be thought easily: it's the fact of being aware. That openess is not consciousness, thinking in that way happens because you can't imagine a reality that is not conscious of itself, because you are conscious of yourself