Breakingthewall

He didn't say that in the quote we are commenting, he said that a man who's trying to be something is sick Sure, then let's be flowers and buds. He said that in a conference after flying in a plane in business class?

Then you never would do a surgery, because it's not natural. You have to become a surgeon, and this is a long and difficult path. In any real path you will give your best and that's what life is.

Then becoming an artist, a doctor, a mystic, a sailor or a integral man is sick. You need to be already that. Well it doesn't work like that. Humans have to fight, life fights.

He tells you not to believe in any teacher, only yourself, and then he writes 20 books saying what is right and what is wrong, again and again. Then, I follow his advice and I don't believe a single word of him.

Good insights. For me everything is much simpler and God, dream and that are ideas that are an obstacle, but your view points in the correct direction, your intuition leads you to the right path.

Wonderful! What are practical activities? For example, working in carpentry. So, the ideal humans would be laborers who work and meditate in their free time. Well, that's how it would be according to you, or the wise Krishnamurti, but that's not reality. The reality is that humans are an evolutionary force that operates as it does, with friction and rumination. I understand that for you and K, this is wrong; the evolutionary force of reality is foolish, and you are clever. It's nice to think like that! But the reality is that life is expansive pressure that expresses itself in the way we see. According to Krishnamurti, the uber clown, humans made a mistake around 7,000 years ago, and they've been wrong ever since. Poor humans, contradicting the will of reality. Bad! Bad humans! Reality cries! Very bad!

That vision happen because you are attached to your actual character, then for you the end of the character is the end of reality, but look, when you die, probably I would be still alive, then reality would still exist. And if unfortunately I'm also dead, infinite others would live. What you are is not veganimboring but life itself, and you can't die. Forget vegan and you will see. Of course you can't understand it because for you you are a piece of life that will die, but there are not pieces, it's the unlimited that lives, and the piece contains the totality, same than the totality is expressed as a part. But you can't leave the part, that's why you are limited. Break your limits and see. But of course, now a mock with emoticons so funny will come with condescendence as defense. Well, your choice.

I don't think that realizing that you are god dreaming is being awake but just a fantasy because it implies an intentional entity. What you are is the unlimited, the expansive drive of reality expressed in a form of extreme perfection and beauty, and if your mind and your emotional system are open the natural expression of them would be expansion, action, love and joy.

😂😂😂 Good attempt. Little narc. Sure, wars are bad, god cries because wars. God wants peace, but evil humans don't. Same than lions, evil lions killing animals Ah, so thoughts should use for good things, that are the things that you think that are good. Yeah, it's obvious. Stupid human, creating civilizations and that. Would be much better that Krishnamurti and you rules the world. Sure, that's why all of them are narcissists deluded detached of the real drive of life. You are a complete dumb, very common in spirituality. Usually I don't use to be direct, but your first sentences allow me to do a description of you : Pompous. Foolish. Closed-minded in narrow notions of good and evil. Confusing the absolute with the local. A complete fool who thinks he's intelligent but who is disabled for fresh though. Btw, many true mystics, like UG Krishnamurti said that jiddu was just a fake. But anyway, you wont understand anything, so be happy..... if you can

You are a good example. It's clear you're someone who has intentionally let down their defenses, stripping bare their self-image with integrity as your goal. And it's evident you're not doing this out of nobility or kindness, but out of intelligence, realizing it's the only sensible path. Many people believe they are integral, but they have a lie at their core, and they wouldn't trade that lie for paradise. Their drive is to reinforce that lie. Are they bad? No, they're foolish

But if you were to release all the atomic energy from a human body, the explosion would be like 34 simultaneous Tsar Bombas, something that would create a level of continental devastation and plunge the planet into a nuclear winter and perhaps end civilization.

Nailed. Sanity is appreciated in this forum, it's so rare. The drive of life is expansion. Maybe you are so spiritual and you think: oh, nothing matters, for me it's the same being tortured than having health and success, because at the end everything is going to disappear. That's just evasion, life wants to live, and doesn't need any reason for it, it's just a fact, and as much aligned are you with your nature, better experience. The point is not success, it's vector and movement. Success is a consequence.

Why I'm saying it? I didn't understand what you are saying. Anyway, thanks for the conversation

Means spiritual bypassing. It happens when people read about spirituality; they conclude that you shouldn't have preferences, you should love everything, etc. Then they pretend that's their state and half-believe it. They find their identity in it and like the end of their fear to death. The problem is that it's a lie. As a human being, you have a real emotional structure that makes you prefer dinner with a model to being tortured by a Mexican cartel. But they think that being enlightened means not caring and let everything go because there's no self and all that. You don't need to stop being human to be open to the absolute. Just being aligned

Because any human is closed by default, our emotional structures are built for survival and for tribal cohesion not for openess, then you have to do an action of openess and breaking your barriers to be open to your ultimate nature, and it's extremely difficult, because you are immersed in the emotional density, same that everyone else

What I'm pointing is that you can open yourself to your unlimited nature now, it's not conceptual, it's a reality that happens. The conceptual frame that I'm constructing has the sole purpose of removing any mental barrier, but the fact or breaking the emotional barrier and be one with the totality is something that you have to do

What mantra? Anyway if I talk with you answering questions you could be polite. Maybe you don't understand what I'm pointing. Anyway, a pleasure to talk about the topic

Knowledge that you are a human ultimately means knowing that you are, but any existence happen in a form. Anything is ultimately unlimited being expressing itself because it's inevitable. The point is open yourself as a human to the unlimited being really, not like an idea but removing all the barriers and see the totality, then the fact of seen merges with the fact of being and the unlimited is open to itself

We come from procceses that increased in complexity because it was possible, the expansive drive of the reality happening, like always, because it's inevitable. It's unlimited.

The seer is what it's seen, the seer is just the fact of seeing, what is the being knowing that is, it's a fact, not something

It always happens, it's happening now. What the unlimited being knows is that being is, nothing else, anything else are variations of that fact, but this fact is everything. Then you as a human can open yourself to the unlimited being, and then you will see that this is everything, alleluia, total, absolute, let's die, be clean to be open to the unlimited and be one with it, because it's what you are. Quite simple

Everything started with a bacteria that creates a separation between inside and outside, then in some million of years some bacteria joined together to stole the energy from another bacteria, then a big war started , and some billions of years later a teacher teach me to read, to steal energy better and be the king of the universe, as a cheap novel of fantasy

You never began an ended as the fact of being, aka unlimited being or absence of limitations that is, but this reality is always expressed, and now it's expressed as a human, but ultimately what you are is the unlimited. The conscious mind can be totally aware of it because it's the reality now, the absolute power is emerging in the form of you now, and you can see it with total clarity

No, the teachers did. And? What is a fact is that reading is possible

Ah, then as the time is long, reality is illusion? Then what is time? Would be just a measurement right? Done from a process observing other process. And what is a process? It is an ordered sequence of changes in which one state gives rise to another according to some relationship or rule. And what are those rules or physical laws? The limits that allows the existence of change. And what is all this? The reality. And what the reality does? It is. And why it is? Because nothing prevent it then it's absolutely inevitable. And what are you? That fact of being knowing that is. You want to call it illusion to feel better? Great, do it, but still you are and you know that you are