Breakingthewall

Yes or opening the door, not so aggressive, but when I started in the forum I was struggling with 5meo DMT and I felt a wall in front of me that I wanted to break, and also my second name in my language is wall , but I didn't realized that until later😅

The point isn't define anything, is having the honestly, the will, the open heart, the courage and the destiny to make a hole in the surface of the experience and open your being to the dimensión where you realize yourself as the absolute out of the time and the experience

The mind is movement, experience, the absolute is not a mind, it's just absolute and it's impossible to name it, think in it, or define it.

Enlightenment is obviously real. Reality is, and you are that. Under the appearance of an experience, the absolute is, in it's total plenitude. It's out of the dimensions, the time and the movement, the dimensions, the time and the movement are appearances that happens in it. And.... something interesting: for some spirituality means being retarded and repeat: nothing, no self, nothing, if you talk about enlightenment is because your dick is short, bla BLA BLA bla. 🥱😴🥱😴. Only who dares to cross all the frontiers are chosen. The others, well, I hope they are happy in his , how to say? Self imposed limitation created to feel relief and feeling safe hidden the head like that bird that I don't want to search the name The reality alive is here and now, and you are that, then, who else could penetrate in it and open it totally? Ah sorry, that I don't exist. 😭 Let's dance in the mental institution

Yeah baby, I was masturbating watching porn and by accident I watched a video of a guru and I thought! Shit, I want enlightenment! Yeahhhh, I was a looser in high school,but now those chads are going to see who's the boss! Shit, I'm on top! Man please, consider the possibility that are areas and levels of human capacity that are out of your , let's say, potential in this life, and try to respect people hows more intelligent and perceptive than you in several orders of magnitude

Two histories of insanity Once I was sailing alone in the ocean in a storm force 10, with waves around 10 m, more than thousand of km of shore, the third day without sleeping everything was going in slow motion. Making the gesture of grabbing a crank required concentration and coordination. Outside I was constantly tied to a harness since the risk of falling into the water was very serious and it's death in a not nice way. The mind stops working, you are not a human, you have no preferences, your clothes are wet, going to the bathroom is a difficult process, it doesn't matter, you are a cog in the boat, its operating module. Your mind only deals with sounds, changes in movement, sensations, you are one with the boat that moves at high speed through the wildly rocking waves. You manage to sleep for a few minutes, a superficial sleep, night comes, everything is dark, the rain falls almost horizontally due to the wind, there is no fear, there is no joy, there is no sadness, you are a machine. On one occasion I went flying with my hang glider, a maximum performance Russian brand delta weighing about 50 kg, pole less, capable of reaching 160 km/h. The wind up the slope was strong, about 80 km/h. 5 guys held the wing while I, hanging from the harness, moved towards the edge. My feeling was absolute calm, calmer than at home watching a movie, my mind was a lake. I said to let go, I was thrown upwards by the enormous force of the ascending wind, until I was located about 400 m from the slope, which was about 800 m above ground level. I realized with surprise that I was not moving forward in my position relative to the ground, I saw my companions like ants down there always in the same place. If the wing accelerated to maximum could reach 160 km h and the wind was 80 km/h, it had to be able to penetrate it and move forward, but it couldn't. I pushed the control bar back as far as possible to increase speed but it still didn't move forward. At that moment the wing began to make a very violent pendulum movement of about 60 meters in diameter, moving like a grocery bag thrown into the wind. My calm was still total but at that moment I had an auditory hallucination. It was the voice of a guy I know saying: his wing hit an ax and he killed himself. At that moment I realized that the headset I had in my ear was screaming, I could hear a guy saying: you're over controlling the wing! I thought, of course, I am more than 160 km h speed inside the wind and this makes the wing lose its stability that is why it moves like that, but then, why don't I penetrate the wind? Just an explanation: the wind is greater than 160 km/h, how is this possible? I don't know. possible solution, turn around 180 degrees. Extreme danger, I am on the top of a mountain, the updraft of the leeward slope becomes downward and I would be crushed against 20 meter pine trees. You have to try and see what happens. I turn around, I start moving in the opposite direction at brutal speed. At a given moment, already downwind and at the beginning of the downdraft, I turn 180 degrees again, see a round clearing of about 50 meters between the pines and accelerate towards it as much as possible. My mind is absolutely calm, anything can happen, I am not a human, I am a computer that analyzes possibilities, I pass very close to the last pine trees and manage to navigate the clearing between turbulences that make it rise and fall constantly, close to the ground, at too much speed, I curl up in a ball, I fall, the wing is broken with the aluminium bars folded, which absorbs the impact, I get up with a slight pain in my ankle while I see the 5 guys running like crazy thinking about what they were going to find. Later we deduced that the wind was so hard because it was another peak close this that makes a venturi effect, like a funnel at this height, and the wind duplicates it strength or more.

This could happen , then you could sit in a park for 3 days looking to infinity. That's not insanity, is mystical state. Insanity is when you go running naked in the street yelling that you are Jesus Christ, that's an ego malfunction. Mystical state is absence of ego, it's radically different

Exactly. Here they means insanity like: so so so cooooool INSANE level of consciousness (that only me can reach, looser) , that make me soooooo special. But no. Insanity is being alcoholic and hate people because they are of another football team. It's not cool on my opinion

Yeah sure, I hope that that brings you calm and security.

He's talking about states, not about enlightenment. But anyway, probably he understands what enlightenment is

I will see when I ve time to try to understand deeply. It's not that I have a bias against him, it's that I search in masters or people here signs that make me think that they are enlightened and I don't find. It's extremely rare, even understanding what enlightenment means, look the conversation In this thread, nobody understands, they are talking about states of consciousness , expansion, like psychedelic states, that's not remotely enlightenment. Enlightenment is realizing what we really are, what realiy is the reality, maybe sadhguru does, I just whamt to perceive it in someone. Why he says always that he's not showing his true face? Is him a liar? Really I don't understand him

Honestly, I don't see it. In first video he said that you have to be fully focused, but he don't talk nothing more, in second, that it's your true nature, that if you remove the accumulation of the mind it's done, anyone could say such things, very easily. He doesn't explain how the mind closes and why, he never talk about the relative, the movement, the appearance. For me, it supposed that I have to believe in him because many say that he's enlightened, but I don't see it in him at all

Expand conciousness is something relative. It is real, but relative. Opening yourself to the absolute is something that is in another domain, it's not dimension, experience or movement, its realizing what the reality is, and it's something that can't be thought, because it's everything, absolute. It's not an state, it's a openness. The states happen, the absolute is.

Hehe enlightenment is opening yourself to the absolute. Expansion is relative, don't you see it?

You also could explore the domain of consciousness: being in the war killing people and receiving bombs, sure it's quite insane

There is only one enlightenment, open yourself to the absolute. The self is illusory of not depending of your definition of "illusory", without that definition isn't illusory or not, but the absolute is absolute. To realize that the self is illusory first you should think that itsnt illusory, if you are out of those ideas then doesn't mean nothing

Those states have no relation with enlightenment, are just states, enlightenment is not a state

If you are in a state without bias, that's required to open yourself to the absolute, sanity or insanity means nothing

@Ishanga btw could you post any video where shadguru talks precisely of enlightenment?

I don't think so, when you are in the path the path reveals itself, The life is the path.

Totally agree, enlightenment is the path of the real sanity. The straight behavior, clean mind, open heart. Could seem insanity for some if you compare it with the worldy behavior, but what is insanity is being a greedy person who want to fuck prostitutes when he's married and drink every day😅, quite high level or insanity . Path of enlightenment is absolutely straight, is looking the existence in the face, and could seem insane because you are the first one in the universe who is doing it if you do. But the existence is perfect, then if you are open to it, there is not insanity

Yes of course, what I meant is that if it's possible to stop being relative and be just absolute for ever as you say. The terms for ever, another life, etc , are very confusing, because without the relative there is not "happening", then as you use to say, the experience dissapear. Would you like that? Why? It's better existing that don't exist I think , or maybe it's my attachment

Exactly, conciousness, the experience, is an illusion, the time, the movement, all that is happening, but as an hologram if you place yourself in the absolute. What you always say is that you want to finish the illusion and place for ever yourself in the absolute. What means this? If the illusion is an illusion, then you already are placed for ever in the absolute, that's the thing to realize I think. Because we know that the immersion in the relative could be quite challenging, saying it soft. Really I think that the relative is for ever, but who knows those things?

How do you know that? We are talking in a level of concepts very slippery, but I think that I get what you mean. Me, as many others, I have the idea or feeling that only me, and no other in the world have the key of enlightenment. I think that this is a mental strategy that happens to isolate your mind of anything to be able to open it really, then I have the compulsion of talk and talk, to clarify myself, to go deeper, avoid the mistakes . Why all the masters are so weird? Look sadhguru, why he talks so much about supernatural things? That's seems histories. The only person that I read a bit and seem to me that has the key of enlightenment is David hawkings, but then he say a brunch of stupid things. It's difficult to find any good pointer, masters are not real, I see falsehood in all of them, all are demons who lies 🤣

Exactly and precisely. If you can be totally concious in deep sleep, you have mastered death. That is real enlightenment, and no one here have achieved it. I don't claim that I did, I claim that I know what it is, I could immerse is some punctual moment, enough to understand how works the thing. The openess to the absolute is the conquer of death. Not small thing . It's not a game, is the real thing, the absolute, absolute open yourself to the totality . It's the best option possible. Any other option could be tempting, but is less. The absolute is everything