Breakingthewall

The ultimate truth is unlimited being. You can't being open to the unlimited being if there is any structure, but after when the structure returns you can say: I was conscious of the ultimate nature of reality, and the subject and the object were one.

What is actual tangible is being. Consciousness/experience is an idea that implies that you are conscious or something, that you are having an experience. What Happens is that "being" in this form appears as experience, but experience is secondary

Some others . I'm quoting just to show, imo their explanations are too dark, could be much more simple and direct, but at least there are not mistakes. "The person merges into the witness, the witness into awareness, awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only its limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the real Self." "As long as you are a seeker, better cling to the idea that you are pure consciousness, free from all content. To go beyond consciousness is the supreme state." "The source of consciousness cannot be an object in consciousness. To know the source is to be the source." "You have to be there before you can say 'I am'. The 'I am' is the root of all appearance." "The 'I am' itself is an illusion; you are not the 'I am'. You are prior to it." "In pure being consciousness arises; in consciousness the world appears and disappears." "One thing is quite clear to me; all that is, lives and moves and has its being in consciousness, and I am in and beyond that consciousness."

So he says that the true self is the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide , but it means that reality is nothing. Well, if you say so.... He also said this: "The source of consciousness cannot be an object in consciousness. To know the source is to be the source. When you realize that you are not the person, but the pure and calm witness, and that fearless awareness is your very being, you are the Being. It is the Source, the Inexhaustible Possibility."

I can meditate (sometimes in 2 minutes) until the subject-object duality collapses, and then reality opens without limit. At that moment, there is no "being conscious of." This doesn't mean one is unconscious, but rather that the act of being conscious dissolves into the reality that is. Afterward, the structure returns, and I think: wow, I was conscious of the absolute without being conscious of being conscious, because if I had been conscious of being conscious, there would have been a duality, which is a structure, which is a barrier. I don't know if I'm explaining myself clearly.

Reading nisgardatta, seems that he's a mystic that is not in a mistake. Another is Ramakrishna, and another al hallaj But seems that nisgardatta was in a mistake at the beginning, but after he realizes it

No, look: "The person merges into the witness, the witness into awareness, awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only its limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the real Self, the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide Nisgardatta

You are implying that god is an entity with a will that does things for a reason. That would be limited. It's antrophormize the reality. If god is unlimited it wouldn't have intention, or if you prefer it would have all the intentions, that's the same than no particular intention. If anything arises it's just because it's possible, god or the absolute being is absolute potential, not a person who does anything and then forget it.

Humans systems are a manifestation of life. They might be a little cruel, but have you seen those wasps that lay eggs inside live cockroaches, and then the larvae devour them from the inside? And then people say that capitalism is bad.

@Mellowmarsh that's a mess unnecessary to explain something extremely simple: Reality is. Being happens in multiple forms but all of them are. Forms change, being is absolute. Forms are limited, being is unlimited. The fact of being is inevitable due the limitlessness. And that's it. No mystery, 0=1-1 . The end. What's more complex is understanding the human dynamics.

In our society, we are educated from birth to be consumers; we are receivers of objects, content, and experiences that we like and find entertaining, and we perceive our value within the human group by whether we are liked and validated. From adolescence onward, being liked and validated becomes key. We crave an ideal of beauty, wealth, and social skills that places us at the top of the pyramid, allowing us to enter the "fit" zone, and we see others as allies or adversaries depending on their level of fitness. Sex is presented to us from childhood as consumption. By age 12, we watch an amount of porn that would leave the Marquis de Sade perplexed, and if you are more or less "fit," random sporadic sex is within anyone's reach. It is absolutely natural to perceive sex and life in general as an act of consumption, not of expansion. I am not talking about selfishness, expansion is also selfish, i am talking about the vector. The vector created within us by our society points inward. The consumer is a pit that must be filled. This poses a serious problem: it closes us off. We have become isolated, self-reflective bubbles that need validation from their peers and seek pleasurable, satisfying experiences. These bubbles are always in a state of lack. They cannot be filled; they can only reach a level where the anxiety of insufficiency isn't overly noticeable. The problem with this is that it makes us idiots. We only see the reflection of our character, like a wall right in front of our face, flat and made of anxiety. This persona must be improved so that we can receive more of the good things we want. We all know where this leads: to a medicated society. Children born to fill a void, who will be raised by neurotics riddled with anxiety. This is an interesting labyrinth. At a given moment, you are a teenager caught up in this mess that is impossible to understand, surrounded by alienation, and you create a character .Real values like loyalty, honor, courage, surrender, and integrity sound great in movies, thousands of which we consume, providing us with engineered emotions that substitute for the honor, courage, surrender, and integrity that are scarce or nonexistent in our consumer reality. This makes us absolutely idiotic; we are so idiotic it is brutal. We are trapped in a bubble of idiocy. Escaping it is a challenge of enormous difficulty. It requires changing our vector of existence, the direction in which we point. Changing from a pit to a source, from a consumer to an expanding being. The point we are at is the consequence of humanity's massive conquest of reality. Seriously imagine for a moment, right now, being teleported to London in 1750. Seriously. We don't want that. But the enormous change that has occurred has made us neurotic, alienated, and closed off. This is endured more or less well thanks to the massive consumer possibilities we have, and the projection toward a future where we will be complete. But beware. Be very careful. Any day now you could realize that your life is an absolute misery, that you are absolutely alone in the wheel, running like a medicated rat. Making the movement toward openness is essential; it is the only sensible option. In doing so, you flip the bubble inside out, and suddenly, reality opens up. Your heart opens, your mind opens, and the vector has changed. No longer do you have the image of a progressing, remembering persona in front of you, but the immensity of reality. In front of your face is unlimited all the time; here and now you are, within the unfathomable unlimited that lives. In fact, you are that. It is not a divine, mystical realization; it is reality right now. The mental bubble ceases, as it is absolutely obvious that it is a kind of learned loop that makes no sense. Meaning is in your heart; the fact of being is everything, and you lack nothing. What you want is not to consume, but to expand, to flow, to connect. Everything is clear, clean, and alive. You have flipped the bubble inside out. Congratulations, you have solved the labyrinth of idiocy. Now, another phase of the game begins.

It's much simpler. The absolute is the unlimited being. Unlimited implies being, being implies everything. When you are open to it it's absolutely obvious. If all the barriers of your mind fall away, what remains is the absolute being. The fact that the absolute being is known within you is because you are a knowing structure, that is, consciousness. But consciousness is a specific structure that occurs, not the absolute itself. Consciousness is the absolute in the form of knowing that is. The absolute happens without intention, a creator isn't needed, it's just inevitable. For consciousness to exist, there must be a record of change and subject-object duality. That is, a self-preserving organism that exchanges information with the outside world. There's no need to invent another magical reality; this one is already magical enough . Opening yourself completely to the absolute isn't so difficult; the problem is that all spirituality is formulated in a confusing way. The absolute is you, not another. You are the absolute manifested in a form , it's just under surface. If you open yourself to your true nature there are no doubt, but this doesn't implies permanence, the form will disappear, what is will always being.

No problem, just admit that you are wrong and I'm right, then everything would be ok 😘

What means that ?

The absolute is not nothing, it's the absolute

Consciousness arises as a disturbance in the Absolute, and in consciousness the world arises. When you realize that you are not the person, but the pure observer, you take a step back. But the observer remains in consciousness. You must go even further, to the Absolute, where there is no consciousness of 'I am,' where you are the Pure Being prior to all being or non-being. The Absolute is your true state, unchanging and imperishable, unaware that it is. — Nisargadatta Maharaj, "I Am That"

When the mind is absolutely empty only one fact remains: unlimited being. That doesn't mean "consciousness", because "consciousness" is still an structure that implies the fact of being aware, then a duality. Even they will say that this is non duality. In absolute absence of barriers the unlimited being manifest. For example nisgardatta explains it quite good, Ramana not so good. Then, after that absolute and obvious openess, you can deduct using the logical mind and the observation how the reality is structured. If you live in the 4 century, maybe you could arrive to the conclusion that everything is consciousness and you are dreaming, but nowadays we know about physics and we can do better deductions. But enlightenment is always the same: unlimited being

Then shut up and empty your mind of ideas until no structure remains. Then what is absolutely obvious will manifest

Oh, what a solid argument! I am a blasphemer? I'm sorry, I won't participate in religious argument, believe what makes you feel safe, forget what I said. Anyway, saying that as you can't go out of your experience only your experience exist is also a logical deduction. Only that little, let's say.....well, I don't know the exact word. Imagine one.

Agree that consciousness is necessary condition for anything to be known. Well, not exactly, I would say that consciousness is the fact of "knowing", are synonyms. But then you do a jump: as what I am is consciousness, this fact of knowing that I am, means that I can never get out of this "experience", so the reality is this experience . This is not a logical implication. It's like saying, as I can't fly, fly doesn't exist. Well, maybe it doesn't exist for you, but the possibility exist, same than a reality unknown

Id say that the answer is extremely obvious and can be understood by the conceptual mind. Reality, as physics explains, is the unfolding of coherent relationships. This occurs because there is nothing to restrict it; therefore, a universe, which is essentially a coherent mathematical equation, unfolds. In that universe, what is possible happens, simply because it is possible, for no other reason. Within the realm of possibility, the emergence of a sufficiently complex process to create a model of the interaction between interior and exterior occurs. This model is a process in itself within the process that the organism is. This is consciousness; it's quite simple, isn't it? Why seek metaphysical explanations? Reality is already metaphysical.

Don't you find it simpler and more obvious to see that consciousness is the fact of being aware of reality, that is, reality being aware of itself, instead of the idea that reality is consciousness? Why would reality be consciousness? By the way, Nisgardatta didn't say that reality is consciousness.

I never said I'm god, I say that what you can know is that you are. Not that you are something, just you are. This is not a logical deduction or an identification, its the very fact of being now. But then you could do an easy deduction that is: I am, reality is, so I'm not different of reality, both are the fact of being, that is always the same. Not "all" the reality, but a manifestation of the reality, that essentially is the reality, and any other manifestation. Ralston says that you can't know nothing, but that's false, you can know everything: you are. That is everything. You don't need to know all the manifestations of being, they are manifestations of being, that's enough. Of course now you will say that this is an illusion and I believe I'm god, without having understood what im saying. Agree, that's what happens, but not because those ideas are false but because the mind gets conditioned by barriers that encloses it, like the need of being accepted. You can't say that the need of being accepted is an illusion, it's an emotion that's happening. Maybe for you being a homeless who nobody talks is the same than be loved by your girlfriend and having a family, but for many people it's different, then they fear don't being accepted and then they construct a character full of lies to being accepted because they never received unconditional love but conditional love. That's not an illusion, it's a fact. You can face that's character and become integral, but that doesn't implies that the fear of being rejected that is the basis of the ego was an illusion. Fear is fear, is something that happens.

There is an identity and sense of self uncoded in the brain by genetics created by evolution. If you feel happy calling it illusion, good for you. But "Ilusion" is an idea that the self made.

Sounds very real. For me was the same, I was living in a state of anxiety and mental oppression that would destroy me. Like it was a war in my mind without a second of peace