Breakingthewall

Islam, regardless of debates about its spirituality, Sufism, its level of spiritual truth, is an ideology that creates an enormous level of abuse and domination of men over women. Millions of women are forced into something as transcendent for a human being as marriage using violence. It doesn't seem like a very nice thing. It also generates enormous hypocrisy. Muslims are a bunch of fakes, since according to their religion they should all be saints, and any deviation is despicable. Shame and contempt for themselves as humans makes them false, twisted, dark. In short, it's a big piece of shit. Ancient fanatic Christianity is negative and limiting, but in the end the message of Christianity is: love. That of Islam is: obey. That of Buddhism is: realize yourself. One of them seems quite negative. What could be its evolution?

I liked that picture, what to say? Maybe I'm like trump. Maybe trump is quite good at the end, who knows? Anyway, I wouldn't put that paint in my house, but when I saw it it transmitted me clarity and beauty

Look Buddha or jesus, were previous and they didn't tell the people how to treat the slaves

Let's assume that there are different souls, different sensibilities

That picture is good taste, and there are no doubt about that. If you can't see it, it's because you have a sophisticated taste without soul.

Hitler was more or less cultivated, others Nazi were very cultivated. You could be cultivated and psychopath.

No, was dictated by the archangel saint Gabriel, if you want to come here saying that smarty things about watching too much tv, first learn a bit. I read Quran, not totally, but part, imo it's a copy of bible in it's base Yes, I know, people are just fools, not like you, oh enlightened. Patience is needed

Mahoma said that he was illiterate and that the Koran was dictated to him directly by God, which is 100% false. Bad start

What I ask is how the Islamic societies could evolve. seems that as humans it is objectively more desirable to have greater mental freedom in order to evolve as a whole. Where is human society in general headed and what is the role of Islamic societies, which are a significant part in numbers, in this evolution? Western society is very imperfect, but it is constantly moving. What is the path that Islamic society wants to take? To be always angry and offended, trying to appear to be saints?

Ask to Hitler, he tried the same in Russia just 80 years ago, he didn't live in a cave, they were quite cultivate people I know it's different, the Jews are living together with the Palestinian from long time and a lot of fight happened, then both sides hate each other, it's not a simple thing

Because I perceive clearly that the human structure is a jail, like an energetic structure that limits you with the goal of making you a cog in a machine. I find it unsatisfactory, the real thing is unlimited, being limited is always unsatisfactory, in any case. Just you will perceive the structure of this experience and you will be free of their bondages. I think that the reality organized itself in increasingly complex energetic patterns cyclically because it's inevitable, and all this that we call life is that evolutionary movement, which has infinite ramifications, like everything else. The direct perception of infinity is freedom, the realization that you are unlimited.

Self is the human structure, built on a foundation of fear and need for acceptance and belonging genetically encoded by millions of years of evolution from which many layers of identification and attachment are created. To dissolve the self is to observe it, to realize that it is a structure that is superimposed on you, not you, and having the intention of seeing through it, to break it. Void is what happens when the self disappears. Like a drug addict who is addicted to drugs, at first when the self disappears only the limitless emptiness is perceived and this translates into a feeling of absence, of lack of everything, death. There is simply nothing and you are nothing. If you manage to accept the void and be the void without rejecting it or needing to fill it, the reality of what you are begins to manifest. The void is the total potential, it opens and its absolute power manifests. One side is nothing, the other is everything, and they are equivalent. It is not mysterious, it is obvious. In the absence of limits anything blurs to zero, but in the absence of limits the substance of reality expands to infinity.

Yeah I could understand your perspective. About artistic taste, it is something that evolves. For example, I don't have a fucking clue about painting, so maybe if I became a serious fan and started spending time looking at art, in two years I would see what I now think is fantastic and think, well, now it seems vulgar. Although that is probably not the case 100%, because when you perceive something authentic, you continue to perceive it later, even you can recognize that it's basic, not evolved or immature

The problem for the evolution of Islam is that the Koran was supposedly written by God directly, so any interpretation that deviates from what is written is blasphemy. The idea of punishment is repeated a lot in the Koran, it is an intimidating book that subjugates. Christianity has subjugated society, but there have been movements such as the Enlightenment that have denied this, and this seed has been planted in people's minds and has been germinating little by little. There has also been Protestantism that has taken power away from the corrupt church. Already in the 19th century in Europe, a lot of educated people thought that Christianity was superstition and they could say so openly. Islam is much more rigid, saying that is going against God and condemning you to hell. Since the Renaissance in Europe, it has been considered that the human being is the measure of everything, it is an idea that comes from the Romans and that re-enters the minds. God is necessary because after death comes paradise or hell, but the protagonist in this life is man. Jesus says: to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. In Islam everything is God's, man is nothing, a slave.

I understand now. You see the let's see, elegance, good taste or lack of it, I am seeing the beauty of the colors and shapes, the meaning is that it is beautiful, the colors are direct and beautiful and their combination creates a clean, clear feeling. The combination of beauty with clarity is what makes me appreciate that painting, but for another person that combination could seems lack of elegance or surility

Art is about how deep it touch in you, saying that I have good taste is vane and egoic, it's just my taste, the important is the intensity and the high feeling, it could be very different depending the person Very different way to feel the same thing. Interesting. I listen Rammstein and for me it's like the orchestras or the heaven unleashed, and for another could be a real shit. Different buttons, different structure of the mind doesn't mean than one is right and another wrong

@Ishanga anyway, if his method makes you open your mind beyond the time, and realize your ultimate nature, then I'm wrong, despite of the possible lies

Well an AI could do any kind of paint. A 6 years old no, in that paint you perceive the order, the intention and inspiration

The Catholic Church has been extremist and dictatorial, and if it had been attacked it would have responded with war, as it has done countless times. But in those days people walked around with swords in the streets, and in every generation there were three wars. In Iran people drive cars and have Internet. About the hell, the question is if Islam could do the same or it's totally impossible

Another essential difference: the Catholic church declared that hell doesn't exist. That seems banal, but it's a declaration of deactivation of the power of the church by the threat, that they used for centuries. Could the islam deactivate the hell? Impossible, it's essential, there is not a doubt about how it is, as @Nilsi said, then the Islam can't do that in any case

that paint harmonizes with your mind and touches your interior. Its combination of shape and color transmiit an open, clean, clear, deep and precise spirit

That's a good analysis, Islam threatens directly, but also allows the use of violence. Jesus or Buddha never speak of violence or war except to condemn it. Mohammed does, it is an essential difference. Another essential difference is that Christianity has precepts of universal moral: don't steal, don't kill, don't have sex like fun (now seems fool but without contraceptives, abortion or medicine it was dramatic), and another normal rules. Islam have precepts like a dictator would do: don't eat pork, don't drink, do that, don't do that, obey because it's my will.

I mean the final message, the concept that they transmit in it's base. You can misinterpreting the bible, but its final message is love and forgiveness, although the fear of hell is one of its pillars. Institutionalized Christianity has been repressive, castrating, creating sad, strange, false beings in many cases, but many free and creative spirits arise in Christianity . it is easy to interpret it as a religion of love, solidarity, forgiveness, tolerance, if you want to do so. Islam seems impossible, despite that the sufis tried

They are different, they come from a different source, perception comes from the senses and the brain creates the images and sounds, ideas are created by the brain independent of the perception, then they are not solid, are just waves without any real base, just appearances that the human mind creates due it's movement. Human mind is a crazy machine, it scape from the solidity of the 3 dimensions and open itself to another dimension, then it can look inside.

@M A J I Your approach to spirituality has a premise that I don't see. You seem to believe that human reality is not as it should be, that it has deviated from the path it should have taken. This is impossible, there is not a boson in the universe out of its exact place in total synchrony with the rest of the universe. Yes, being human has a side that we perceive as totally negative. Human life is full of real emotional pain. Animals invent physical pain to evolve, plants do not have that quality. Humans invent emotional pain as a species, so we evolve faster with more pain. Spirituality usually starts to escape from pain, without emotional pain there is no evolution or real impulse to awaken. So unfortunately, human life is right where it needs to be.