Breakingthewall

@Natasha Tori Maru I think that those 2 quotes explain my point . The first one is from nisgardatta the second from Hawkins. The one of nisgardatta is the perfect definition of enlightenment. I found it in Gemini when i sent a paragraph that I wrote (the one in my thread enlightenment in two steps, to compare with any possible similitude in spirituality). It's the same direction . In fact it is exactly the same point. When the 'I Am' dissolves into the Absolute, all traces of individuality disappear, but what remains is not the emptiness of a corpse. It is the original source of all life, a state of pure dynamism and unlimited potentiality that needs no witnesses to exist. In that state, you are not conscious of being alive; you are Life itself flowing, a fullness so massive that the birth and death of entire universes are merely tiny bubbles rising to the surface of your own being. The presence of Reality is not felt as a continuous electric shock, but as a background of intrinsic vitality. The physical world is perceived as a hyperrealistic high-definition film, where every object shines with the energy of its own being. The observer has become transparent; there is no longer anyone there 'watching,' only the unfolding of existence.

I think I didnt get it, even I read 3 times. Anyway, the point was I'm consciousness vs I'm the fact of being conscious of the nature of what I am. Reality is not "I", but I am is an intrinsic property of reality that is happening. What reality is is the whole not a creator. If you make the schema dreamer/dream you are closing the possibility or real openess , and that's essential if you want real enlightenment, and you should want it if you are in this topic, because the intermediate point, the solipsist dreamer , the belief of "I'm consciousness", "what I really am is the screen where the experience happens", is a closure and leads to inner isolation

I didn't deviate of the point a millimeter . I told Davino that his vision is still that the reality is an individual due his use of the words dream and dreamer. I told him this to make him see it, not to lower him. It's very subtle and important point if you are really interested in breaking the last barrier

That's an interesting topic, I think the dark night of the soul is when someone has moments of openness to the totality and then realizes that the things they clung to for psychological survival, like the pursuit of success, superficial relationships, etc., are empty. But at the same time, their connection to the totality blurs and disappears, leaving them in a no-man's-land, trying to reconnect or open themselves to the absolute, but this doesn't happen, and they see no substance in what once sustained them. What this person seeks is the transparency of their psychological structure to the "divine," the vitality of the reality, so that it permeates their experience at all times, but they still have closing mechanisms that they can't identify or deactivate.

I think that what I said is clear and that Davino understood it .

Over all when "awakening" is just an history that they tell to themselves. Spirituality is where the narcissists find their last refuge.

Maybe I talk too certain and I'm wrong, but I think that it's a huge mistake the vision that I'm consciousness imagining etc, because it's an absolute limit in the mind. In spirituality is said as an absolute truth, and when you read it seems very logical, but it's a trap. Maybe enlightenment is not about the mind but if the mind has limits it's impossible, and this is a limit

The first step is to empty the mind completely until reaching a point where only the fact of being remains. You are reality becoming aware that it is. Like a mirror reflecting another mirror. At that moment, you are not a person looking at reality; you are the property of reality of looking at itself, of becoming conscious of itself. Any other “I am,” stripped of everything else, is this same “I am.” There is no other. It is the same in different coordinates. You are not someone or something; you are a property of reality. Once reality can easily settle through you in the fact of “I am" absolutely empty of anything else, then reality can open itself to the fact of becoming conscious of “what I am.” This is not an understanding but an opening of the “heart,” because the heart , what reality truly is , reveals itself. The absolute power of reality reveals itself as a total explosion of freedom, an inexhaustible creative flow erupting like a never-ending supernova. The word glory, etc, could be used but it sounds subjective valoration. Lets say unlimited vitality that emerges from the unlimited, absolute potential manifesting itself without limit. It's perceived as something much better than any possible good thing that the mind could imagine before. Another valoration, I know, but it's the case. It's perceived as the "absolute better". Through the human interface, the self-perception of reality can briefly open completely to its own nature. This is not a mental image, not something imagined, but something that can melt the mind itself. Achieving even a moment of openness to the total alive is not merely a vision, but a flame that produces a structural transformation within you. Obviously, you are not going to walk down the street in an unlimited state in which reality explodes continuously, but you begin to perceive the vitality of reality within experience itself. The filter that attenuates experience begins to fall away, and everything is perceived as the living flow of what reality is. The “I am” is seen as an intrinsic property, not as the essence. The essence is living limitlessness in its inexhaustible expansion. That's why the idea "reality is consciousness" is wrong. It's a barrier, behind the barrier of the void of the I am is where the real thing is waiting to be discovered.

The mind is as real as the body. Imagine the quantum synchronicity that must occur in reality for a mind to exist. Ask Ralston if a city is real or not. The mind did it. How could something unreal do something real?

@Davino Anyway, a question. For you, the Absolute is a dreamer dreaming reality for a reason, and the nature of reality is consciousness? Because if that's your view of the total, then you haven't yet broken through the ultimate barrier. The Absolute is the unlimited that is the source of existence. Reality isn't a dream; it's a possible expression of the unlimited, and you are that expression becoming aware of its nature, not a creator who dreams and hides from themselves by playing games. If that's your view, you haven't let go of the individual; you still see the Absolute as an individual. It isn't. That's why the surrender required to open yourself to the Absolute must be total. There is not a creator or a will, it's what is possible happens. An analogy could be that the absolute is a hole without limits that is absolute potential, not an entity. The power of the absolute is absolute, because has no limits, but it's not creating, it's happening, it's just inevitable. To being totally open to the absolute you have to disappear. If you think that you are god dreaming, you didn't disappear.

That's true, being totally open to the absolute 1 second is more than anything in the earth. But you have to see the absolute in everything to live. Ramakrishna, teresa, were a great inspiration but also addicted to the absolute (just from my point of view, I guess it was their destiny). For me there has to be a balance. We are here being humans, the absolute is not going to move. The point is achieve openess to the absolute in some moments, then see the absolute in everything, at least in some extent. Achieving at least one real openess to the absolute is the change. Then I try to do it more time to time, but the objective is not feel so great being open to the absolute, that's being an addicted, the point is align my human reality as much as I can, do my work.

Fear is a reality that's sure, no one is free of fear. I think that the point is facing our fears, if not you are trapped

Most of humans feelings are about inclusion, exclusion, valoration, being enough, being better or worse, being humiliated, feel alone, fear death, poverty, sickness. Those feelings close. Feelings of acceptation, desire to give yourself to the reality, love reality and love yourself because you are the reality, those feelings open

spirituality largely stems from Buddhism, which classifies feelings as maya. The practitioner's goal would be equanimity, which is a flat emotional structure. The idea is that emotions create a dense mental structure that hinders clear vision. Equanimity allows for the perception of the absolute. Taoism says something similar, differing in its concept of the absolute. Christianity, for its part, exhorts you to love; you must love even your enemies. This is another form of equanimity. If you love everything and reject nothing, your emotional structure clarifies, and the whole can be perceived. Islam exhorts you to total submission to God's law and to love God. In this way, supposedly the structure also clarifies, and you would become, in the best-case scenario, a Sufi like al-Hallaj or Rumi. The point is that humans have for default a very dense emotional structure. This structure is what serves as the foundation of society. Human emotions are absolute; without that force, human evolution would never have occurred. The problem is that emotions blind you; you only see emotions. They are a biological vector of enormous power that compels us to go to war or to fuse the atom. Without them, we wouldn't be human. I think it's possible to achieve a structure transparent to the absolute without flattening emotions. You have to align and understand your emotional structure very well, and then you can hack the system at certain moments to put yourself in a mental position where life and death are the same for you. Then, sometimes, the totality manifests itself.

It's quite different to have sex with a woman because shes hot than the real divine connection that is possible between a woman and a man that gives life. Also it's different to partying or rollercoaster that the birth of your child if you are really open to what that birth is. Real awakening means be one with the divine, see it in the reality that is happening. Real connection between humans is divine, partying use to be just evasion and validation. Could be nice but we should differentiate. When you talk about awakening seems that you mean experiences kind of mystical , maybe induced by psychedelics. The point is that the life is mystical, but we are closed to it because the human condition that comes from an evolutive path that made or psyche dense. Real awakening means making that psyche clear, it's not easy. Probably your path leads you to a point where there is no difference between divine and mundane, if you align the mundane with the divine. It's not easy at all because all the humans work in dense mode, but they are an expression of the absolute. They are the absolute in human form.

Sure, that's the point of talking about those matters. What's annoying without doubt is when anyone talks from the need of being right, not from the analysis. It's easy to check it: you can show a mistake in his analysis, if the person reacts defensive, not responding, changing topic (or saying peace brother 😅), it's that is speaking from the ego, but if they answer showing the argument from another perspective, admitting mistakes, then they are talking from analysis. Sometimes it's irritating read someone who talks with too much certainly, but that doesn't means that they are talking from the need of validation or to be right.

It's a complex matter. Some spiritual teachers believe that they are enlightened and teach that enlightenment means realizing that the human mind is an illusion, then everything become whats called spiritual bypassing. We are trying to talk about the matter, how it happens, where is the mistake, etc. If you come and insult the people who's trying to understand this wasting time and processing, maybe for you it's funny, over all insulting from a screen, but as you are a moderator, would be nice if you stop insulting. It's a tendency that you have, and sure for you it's funny and innocent, but there are people who doesn't like being insulted. I think you should be kind and understand those too sensitive people who don't like being insulted and be kind and stop insulting. Just a suggestion

I guess that if you want to express your worldview you would do or it would appear in your conversation, it's not a matter of asking but observing. I express mine, others express theirs and we talk about they, to refine, understand, see our flaws... Thats the point of this activity. My point is not convince people of my vision, because it's pointless, they are very few and my vision is in process of construction, it's not finished. My point is expression and communication when it's possible, because this make your vision alive, evolving

That's good that you take responsibility and say sorry to Leo, he has authority right? That's cool. Anyway, I asked about my comment in the video about incompletude. As you was upset about my comment I wanted to know my mistake. If I don't know it, I can't improve

Wrong, there are interesting posts, but they are not appropriate for your....how to say? Well, not appropriate. Try avoid insulting because it's supposed that you are a moderator of a spiritual forum

It's not a matter of letting go or being detached, but of being one with yourself, of breaking the separation that the pain of being human, being part of a humanity that is a well of brutal suffering, inevitably creates. We are the heirs of the most extreme brutality, both physical and psychological. Heirs of generations of minds imprisoned in dogma and terror, enslaved and violated. Breaking the separation, the alienation that human activity has created, cannot be achieved with mental tricks.

@Grateful Dead I'm too lazy to explain the depth of my trauma and its causes right now, but in short, my mental vibration was hellish for years, every second. Obviously, I was seduced by Tolle, Adyashanti, and all those who sell liberation. I saw that it was completely obvious that I was creating my suffering and that it was simply a matter of attitude to stop doing it. This makes you a dissociated being, separates you from yourself. You try to convince yourself that the self is an illusion, and thus you alienate yourself from yourself. You try to empty your mind because you believe that mental activity is what creates the horrible, constant anxiety you live with, and it's exactly the opposite. There is only one real way to resolve an emotional structure based on suffering, and that is to see it directly, to accept that you are a process that is happening, that is interconnected with everything, not an island that decides how to feel, and from there act with absolute determination to integrate that energetic structure that reality has created and that you are, and use its momentum to take a step to another level. You have to make your pain your tool, not try to get rid of it as if it were a mistake. Your anxious nature manifests in your whole being, in your body, in every breath, in every tiny gesture. You must see it as the expression of the reality now, and channel your suffering to open yourself to another level. If you label your trauma as a thought, illusion, mistake, you are trapped for ever, in the infinite carrot. Life is not easy, fair, controllable. Ralston and Tolle sell that you can control your inner state. You? Who? The ego? How? Labeling the real you as an illusion. The real you is what you are now, how you are vibrating now in the hiper complex process that being human is and that is interconnected with everything, not the one who decides stop suffering now. Ralston says: you are doing it! Stop doing it now!!! Who is doing it? It's the reality that is happening as a process that feels like suffering, the real you that Ralston and Tolle talks about is precisely the ego, they are absolutely wrong,.180 degrees wrong, like all non dualistics. At the end, when you have a really anxious and traumatic structure, there is only one way. It's the reality that is pushing itself to make a movement, and you have to face the reality so directly and without any filter, any grip, until you are able to open yourself to the unlimited, but not the unlimited "being" that is the truth, etc, but the heart of the reality, the source. If Ralston and Tolle would do that step they will understand what is a human, then they wouldn't categorize the lack, the mental suffering as falsehood. "Mental" is not different that physical. Everything is real, there are not illusions. I thought that for me in this life would be absolutely impossible stop the sick intensity of my suffering, but I managed to find the way. Absolutely, total transformation, a miracle that was just an utopia. Not something that is "almost", some days good, others not so, but totally clean. It's not a matter of identity, it's a matter of conquest your freedom changing the level where you operate. You can't do that denying the previous level as false, because it's absolutely real. Its precisely the reality happening.

Then their level of enlightenment is exactly equal to zero. It's not like, he's almost enlightened. It's more: he's deceiving himself and others because he's a kind of narcissist very subtle, very difficult to grasp. Enlightenment means exactly open heart. Open heart means absence of defense. They operate from defense, just watch a Ralston video, it's obvious Lets see, the first time I read Tolle, I had the same reaction as everyone else: I thought, "It's obvious! This man is a true genius, it's all so simple..." But now, when I listen to him, he sounds.to me like a professional con artist. I suppose he doesn't do it on purpose... or maybe he does. Let's see, when Tolle talks about the pain-body, how it activates, the trauma, and how you can choose to activate it or not, he's lying. It doesn't work like that. The trauma is embedded in your system, in your energetic vibration; it's absolutely real, it's your way of being now, it exists as a path in your brain. And if you categorize it as an illusion, a concept, a falsehood, as Tolle and Ralston do, you'll never get rid of it. It's the endless carrot; you'll always be chasing it, thinking, "I almost have it, it's as if I already have it, only... the trauma comes back." A minor flaw? No, an absolute con, and I'll try to explain how they do their movie Tolle tells you: a zebra doesn't care about what time is it, it's always now. It's similar than Ralston in the video I posted above saying that a 3 legs dog doesn't feel incomplete. A zebra and a dog are not a human 😅. It's like if I say to a zebra: why do you complain if I'm stabbing you? If I stab a three it doesn't complain, for a three everything is fine. I'm going to explain you my experience with trauma, I don't know if teorically, I know it absolutely directly

But we are not talking face to face. Anyway, it's still real life. You could judge the message instead the messenger, then we can talk about the topic

It's very different to have the need of being the one who's right than seeing the absolute mistake in a spiritual teacher that has great influence in the spiritual human paradigm nowadays and don't point it. It's not a matter of opinion, it's that he's totally wrong and is a huge hindrance for any Spiritual seeker. His message is seductive and false from my view. Anyway, many tell me that I'm this and that but no one say nothing about what I said about Ralston paradigm, except greateful death . Maybe it's me who's wrong, then tell me where For me this is like an exercise to see where are the barriers, not an exercise to be great.