Breakingthewall

Both are real. There is not "how real". How real is a stone in comparison with a planet? Exactly in the same level: real. A dream is happening due countless of relationship between fields, etc, same than anything else. Spirituality is not that mess, is being open to your total nature, that is the nature of everything, that is the absence of limits that is. But you are open to it from a limited structure or process that is happening now that is your human nature. Nothing is a "dream" , thats just obscurantist spirituality that confuses everyone

It's exactly as real than being awake, but in another state. Don't you see that you are dividing the reality in categories, putting a higher category the label of "truth", and lower category the label of "dream"?

Any limit is real since it's happening. If you create a limit between the observer and the object, the limit is happening and has consequences. Maybe it's not absolute, can be dissolved, but until you dissolve it, it is. Labelling everything as illusory is just a mental complication without any utility. This could sounds like poetry, but is meaningless in the sense that divide the true essence (the screen) and the form. This is non dualistic spirituality.

Dreams are real. For a dream to occur billions of neural connection are happening. A dream Is as real as a stone or a Galaxy, there are no categories of reality. Maybe for you as a human a dream has no consequences and a stone in your head yes, but that doesn't implies that one is more rela than other

The reality manifested in a process that is happening, like anything else When we talk about "true", or "absolute", it means unlimited. Limited is made by limitation, for example if you perceive yourself as pain, or sadness, or anything concrete. The point of meditation is open yourself to the unlimited, that means the relaxation of all the limits. When you are the witness of the thoughts there is a limit between you and the thoughts

The main factor that makes real meditation impossible is the need for self-definition, for identification. This need is inherent to the human being; it is a mechanism of social cohesion that allows the group to function as a single entity. Real meditation is not achieved through techniques, but through stepping out of the psychological matrix of identity. The real work is not in the practice of meditation, but in self-exposure, coherence, and integrity. Loyalty to yourself as absolute value. When the psychological axis shifts from the need for self-definition and validation to integrity and transparency, the mind becomes silent. Only then does meditation make sense, as one gains access to the primordial layers of the psyche: the drive for permanence, the fear of harm and disappearance, the need for control and other bases of the human psyche Directly perceiving these underlying patterns is what eventually allows the psyche to open. “Openness” means the absence of limits. Limits define, and create a sense of control and security. The absence of limits is initially terrifying, unsustainable for more than a few seconds. The system automatically contracts again. Anyone seeking liberation must seek this rupture. At some point, it becomes more tolerable, until it is perceived as freedom. Identity is then replaced by effortless openness, as it is revealed to be a mental process. not false, but not fundamental, not absolute. Openness is not an “open mind,” but the fact of being perceiving itself without mental limitations. It is something simple and, at the same time, complete. Not definable because there are not limits. This is the state where life becomes beauty, perception becomes deep and the heart becomes open.

This is not your true essence, it's just an state where you split the reality between the witness and the forms that arises. That witness seems empty because it's a limited perspective that you are creating by the fact of meditating. Your true essence gets open when the separation between object and subject collapses and you release the control. The fact of being an observer is contraction, that's why it feels so tense

What imagination? That's spiritual bypassing . Then there is the reality, that is pure and good, and your imagination, that is impure and bad.

The distinctions are real. Pretending they don't exist is a kind of spiritual narcissism that closes you off. No one achieves openness with those non-dualistic tricks. You have to know how to differentiate between process and substance; then you can function as a process aligned with your total nature. To pretend that everything is illusory is to deny something that exists, a kind of mental castration that locks you in a dead state that you define as "awake."

I see it different, everything is just the reality happening, processes unfolding, it's not "maya", it's just how reality manifest. The "truth" is the perception of the nature of the reality beyond the form. That doesn't mean that the form is Maya or unreal, means that the form is form, and the nature is the nature. Both are two aspects of the reality. No one is false. But the point is being open to the total nature of the reality, to what is. Then the form appears as what is in this form . I think that this of Maya is not useful to see clearly, but it's just my opinion. Anyway, a pleasure to talk

Then why do you call it dream if it's the same than the reality? A dream is something less real, an illusion. An illusion is illusory because it's not real. If anything is an illusion is in comparison with something that is not an illusion. If everything is an illusion, then it's just you putting labels to create an unnecessary mental mess

It's much more simple: everything is real because everything is the reality. Or maybe are you one of those non dualistic who make an absolute duality between real and dream?

Of course, it's the reality happening, I would call real to the reality. You are there, if you want to call it unreal to feel better it's your choice. But if anything is not real, then what is "real"?

I do since you equate fear and illusion. That means escapism. Like: this is just a dream, it's not happening. That's just a mental trick. Maybe you went through a very hard problems, but this attitude is evasion.

This is where you enter the realm of non-dualistic modern spirituality, and your reasoning completely collapses. Fear is not an illusion; it's an essential mechanism for the complex process we call life to be possible. If you're serious about spirituality, you have to confront fear for real. Not just "observing" it at home, but when death and ruin lurks. Then you'll see how illusory it truly is.

There are two types of people: those who observe reality to understand it, and those who do so to reinforce a self-image they need. You don't have to be Muslim, uneducated, or anything like that; you could be a Nobel laureate, but if you operate in defensive mode, you'll see all of reality through the filter of your absolute need for identity.

That's because you have the ingrained stereotype of the strong, protective man who faces the world head-on, versus the emotionally focused woman who provides support and love. This stereotype isn't inherently "bad," but women have been trapped in it and have had fewer rights than men because of it, and they've decided to break free from it, with both positive and negative consequences for them.

People hated the Jews because they lived in their country and were much richer, more powerful, and more educated, and moreover, they didn't want to mix with them under any circumstances. They intermarried and helped each other, but within the framework of another culture.

Gypsies are just as tribal, and nobody cares about them. Jews are hated for a much more obvious reason: because they gain access to real power, they pull the strings in the societies where they settle. They don't put on entertaining dance and circus shows; they dominate finance, the media, then the politics. So, in the end, there's usually an antisemitic movement, like the one that might emerge in the US if Operation Epic Ridiculous continues down its seemingly inevitable path.

The problem is the other way around. It's men who don't want to enter into serious relationships with women because they don't want a tyrant with absurd ideas about life constantly complaining that things aren't the way she wants them to be and demanding that the man be the emotional support for her unstable mind in exchange for the dubious privilege of having a secure emotional bond with a narcissist.

How could you be not afraid if you are afraid?

@Someone here What you're talking about is a good level of meditation. What you're doing is real meditation, opening yourself to what is now. But let's see, when you say that there's emptiness inside you if thoughts stop, that can be nuanced. When the mind stops completely and you perceive yourself as a process unfolding now, at a certain point reality loses its dual dimension, "inside you," "your thoughts." There is no longer an inside or outside, no limits restricting anything. Then you are floating in the abyss that is this moment, and at a certain point, you are this moment, without any interpretation or barrier, completely clear, pure. When you can reach this point naturally, that's when it gets difficult, at least for me. In this absolute moment, there is one last barrier. Poetically speaking, your heart is closed, and it is because you are afraid, because you cling to the fact of being you, to the control of what is. The challenge is to open yourself, to let go of that last control, to break free from form and be pure substance without restrictions. This is enlightenment, nothing less. It is access to the Tao, to the source, and you cannot think or remember, you can only be now. It's not "nothing ", it's unlimited, it's everything. Then the door closes up, and you perceive the closure in you, in your body, in your heart, but anyway you can't open it. A lot of adjustments must be done to align yourself, at least it's what I feel, what I'm doing, the path that I choose

Look clown , seems that there are not moderators in this forum, just I'm asking you to go out of this thread. I think you are a disgusting clown and would be nice if you disappear from here with your annoying narcissism. Could you be so kind? Im asking you very politely, don't you think so? Then start another thread to show how smart you are.

The human nature makes those walls inevitable. Survival is a must, it's atavistic, not a silly mistake of the ego. Go through those walls requires facing your deepest fears and go through them. It's an interesting exercise, over all because the other option is madness. If we were in a society with a purpose, then we could make that purpose our guide and work hard for the group, but we are in the society of the no sense, no purpose, just hedonism, comparison, madness. Then there is no choice

Ok, you are very brilliant, so special. Everyone already know it. Then rest a bit and go to another thread