Breakingthewall

Maybe they had that god realization and it was a projection of their mind

Try working hard the day, they train hard 1,5 h , then meditate with a micro dose of psylocibin and 1 puff of weed, maybe another of DMT. I know that this doesn't sound like a yogui but works good. The important thing is not the drugs, it's that you can be silent, without interpreting, then drugs in small dose are very useful to make your shell softer. Also the feeling is pleasant. After a while you can get in meditative state without drugs, but at first are a great help. What you have said is true, at first you try to meditate and it's extremely stressing, it's something against your natural impulse

Maybe I imagine what Ramana maharshi what to express and I'm wrong, and I thought you meant the same thing. For me, there are like two types of meditative states. One is being in the pure fact of being; it feels bright, expansive, perfect, and vast. The other is opening yourself to the depth of what you are. It feels deep, alive, connected, and sensual. I have the feeling that for Ramana Maharshi, only the pure being is important to him; the depth doesn't interest him.

It depends how you see it. A determined form has an end, but if you see form as permanent change thats happening, it hasn't end, one form ends and other begins. I see that your perspective is similar than Ramana maharshi perspective. For both of them, reality is absolute being, or rather, the consciousness of being. What they call Sat Chit Ananda. Shiva, the pure, radiant, immutable being. Ramana was enamored with that; for him, that was everything, and everything else was illusion. But for me, that is just being conscious of the fact of being. There is still a closure, which is why Ramana (and you) describe form as illusion. The fact of being is obviously immutable, but it is, let's say, a flat dimension. There is a lack of openness to the profound dimension, to the living nature of reality. Continuing with Hindu terminology, Shakti, or Kali. The creative and absolutely living character of reality. For me, Ramana has fallen in love with one dimension while denying another; when you read him, you notice that lets say limitation. It's not he's not enlightened or anything, it's that he's totally open to one aspect and the other doesn't exist for him. As I see openess means be open to both aspects of reality and see them as inseparable, both are one. Creative power is not an illusion, it's the essential character of reality, the inevitable manifestation of the unlimited. Absolute being opens your mind like wide dimension, unlimited in wide direction, unlimited creation opens your heart in the dimension of depth.

Just that consciousness is the reality being aware of itself, not the reality. It's an emergence not the foundation. Consciousness is the reality in a determined structure, but the reality is not consciousness, allows consciousness

Yes, everything that happens is the product of a causal chain, but we are part of that chain. We can't decide whether the sun will rise or not, but we can choose between multiple variables at every moment, and this choice is not totally predestined, it's absolutely impossible because nothing is fixed, but rather highly probable. It's never 100% certain, not even that the sun will rise tomorrow. Heisberg's uncertainty principle states that it is absolutely impossible to know the location and direction of a particle at the same time and Bell's inequalities shows that a local universe can't be determined (more or less I ve to read deeper). Not even with an infinite computer containing all the data of reality would it be possible; it's a total impossibility. So you are a local, autonomous operator in the chain of causality, constantly deciding between variables within your narrow margin of choice, but those choices unfold along the chain of causality, creating large effects in reality. In fact, they unfold to infinity. Of course, every other point of that chain is also making choices every moment, because the reality is unfolding at real time, it's absolutely impossible to know how are going to react all the particles and waves in the next moment, it's a property of the reality . Well, at least this is what physics points, there are other theories, but they seem forced

Then the infinity would be finished, so it would be finite

Those realizations are normal taking psychedelics, it's like the typical psychedelic realization when you can't really dissolve your ego. Look: Solipsism during a psychedelic trip is a profound existential insight or delusion where the user feels their consciousness is the only absolute reality, and the entire universe—including other people—is merely a projection of their own mind. [1, 2] How it Manifests The "Dream" Realization: The world often feels like a highly elaborate, infinite video game or lucid dream that you are orchestrating, breaking down the barrier between subject and object. [1, 2] Loss of "Other": During ego-dissolution, the distinction between the self and the environment completely blurs. If there is no "other," the mind concludes that everything must be self-generated. [1, 2, 3] Why the Brain Does This Psychedelics reduce activity in the brain's Default Mode Network (DMN), which is responsible for ego boundaries and distinguishing "me" from "the world." When the DMN goes offline, the brain struggles to categorize external stimuli, leading it to interpret all perceived reality as an extension of the observing consciousness. Long-term Impact Research indicates psychedelics frequently cause users to shift away from hard materialism toward metaphysical views like panpsychism (the belief that consciousness is a fundamental property of all matter) and solipsism/idealism. While often fascinating, this can be jarring and is sometimes categorized by therapists as part of "existential distress" or feelings of unreality if not properly integrated. [1, 2]

How could everything be predestined? Its impossible, it only could be if we assume that reality is finite and it's possible to know all the variables, if it's infinite there are infinite possible combinations for the future. Even you are god with an infinite computer you can't compute infinite variables, the result would be always infinity

The Big Bang is a perfect equation, open at its core. Had it had the slightest deviation, it would have collapsed the moment it began.

It's impossible to know all the manifestations that are possible because are infinite, but it's possible to understand the mechanic of the reality. For example you could know that any manifestation is relative change and that any relative change is logical. You don't need to know every possible relative change, just knowing that any manifestation is relative change

An atom is much more complex than a clockwork, with the gluons being created and destroyed inside and all that mess of the fields interacting that endures 10 follow of 30 zeros being stable

I don't think that there is a god and a dream, you could say that there is absolute unlimited being and that's the source of form because the form emanates from the unlimited always, it's the unlimited manifested. The unlimited doesn't want it, it's inevitable. It's not a creation, it's the necessary emanation of the unlimited. If the unlimited "wants" it would be limited. As I see this world is the reality, could be another form of reality, but there are in the same level of reality. Being human we get lost in our dense structure and we can open it, but the reality is the same, only the level of openess changes. Same, that's why I talk here, not to convince people but to refine my perspective and mental structure. I do because a certain structure allows the real openess. It's not important knowing, what is important is that our mental structure is not a hindrance, and this is not easy

How does he know that everything is predestined?

The body is a process of reality that has taken billions of years to develop and stabilize. Human intelligence has gone from using spears to reaching Mars in a thousand years. Give human intelligence three billion years and we'll see who's smarter.

I agree with that. I think you're misunderstanding my view because you immediately equate it with religious or New Age spiritual thinking. Reality isn't a universal consciousness that does things for certain reasons. If reality is limitless, it simply happens, as you say. But the point is that this fact, the fact of its manifestation, is inevitable given the absence of limits. So, if reality implies the unlimited manifestation of the possible, unlimited volume plus randomness regulated by necessary coherence, this is exactly the same as infinite intelligence. Not because there's a conscious god who decides what to do, but because the processing power is infinite, and only the absolutely coherent can appear. If something isn't coherent with the whole, it's not possible. Therefore, there's a constant creative pressure given the limitlessness, and when there's a niche, a possibility, reality fills it. This is equivalent to absolute intelligence, even without intention. There's inevitability, which is the same thing than intention. Sure, those biological creatures are conscious, not made by the consciousness. Are made by the drive of reality to create complex stable structures just because it's unlimited. But those conscious living beings are the reality manifested as self aware beings, then reality is self aware through them . They are the reality knowing that is. Not because anyone did it, just because it's possible and happens. The problem is that you think that reality is made by parts, then you are a part, but the part is the whole in essence, not in form. The "substance" of anything is the unlimited The only point of all this is open yourself to the absolute nature of the reality, that's your nature. This is the absolute being, and it's absolutely eternal, it's what emerges from the fact of the absence of limits You can't die because you are not you, you are the fact of being, when you die another is going to live, it's you, it's always you. I am you with different content. If you meditate to the absolute emptiness, where only the fact of being remains, and I do the same, the difference between us is zero, we are just a reflexive structure. That structure is going to happen always But the real point here is, when you achieve this zero where only "I am" remains, open yourself to the absolute nature of being. The absolute power of the unlimited, the power that creates universes, this is what you are. It's absolutely real. There is an universe right? It's nature is the same nature of anything else. It's not an individual, it's the unlimited source. When you open yourself to it, the absolute light manifest, that's why they use the word "enlightenment"

Your view is that reality is a very large set of many things, and the things that appear are small parts, and all of them together compose reality. Let's see, if the manifestations of reality are potentially infinite, that's not a large set, but rather dimensionless. Dimensions are possibilities in reality; it's not that reality is in space, but that space is a possibility that can occur. So there are no parts, there are different manifestations or perspectives of reality. Reality is unlimited being; it's, let's say, a quality, not a large thing. It's the fact of being because there are no limits. It's neither large nor small; anything, an atom, is the reality, because it is. And anything has form in relationships with everything else, but it's quality is the absolute fact of being. So, if there is consciousness of being, this means that the absolute being is conscious of being, even if it's a schizophrenic who believes he is Jesus; he is conscious of being. Therefore, the absolute being, what exist , is conscious of itself. Don't you see that it's obvious?

Seems that you don't understand. The reality is unlimited, the unlimited is not big or tiny, is not dimensional, dimensions are a possibility that happen. Anything that appears is the unlimited expressed as a part. It's not that appears IN the unlimited because there is not in or out, they are the unlimited. Then if you are you are the unlimited, there is not choice Could be what you want, it's a fact, is a self reflection that is happening. Could be conditioned or anything, but it is, then there is experience of being self aware, period. If an experience of being self aware happens, even you call it illusion or anything, an experience of being self aware is happening. And as everything that exists is the reality (that is unlimited) then who is self aware? The reality. The reality is not something that can be divided in pieces, it's unlimited potential, possibility, something that manifests in forms relative to other forms, but each one is the reality. The reality is not someone, it's the reality, not a person, the person is an expression of the reality. But as the person is self aware (illusory or not) the reality is self aware. Could be more obvious? So the reality is unreal. Well, then what is real?

Sure if I die you are still alive, and you could say that you are in my place. We are the same fact, the reality recognizing itself. The content can change , but the fact is always the same. Anyway, what is called enlightenment is not being absolutely empty of content nailed in the fact of consciousness, it's being open to the nature of the source, it's another step

I said if ironic, like saying, it's the consequence of this line of thought. . Sorry for not explaining it literally, I thought it was clear

Real is that you are. (The previous introduction was because I thought you was the other user, sorry)

Im going to explain it simply, lets see if you can get it. I know that you have listened a lot of neo advaita videos and now you are convinced that you are enlightened and special, but look at this . The reality exist. In the reality a self appears: you It's not that the reality wants it, it's just that a self appears. It's not an illusion, it's a creation of the brain. Self means recognition of the fact of being. Then in the reality there is recognition of the fact of being, despite is nothing matters or everything matters, there is that fact. Recognition of being. A dog is that, and you too. Then reality has a self because in reality is recognition of being. And you are that self. There are others self but all of them are exactly the same: recognition of being. Then you are the fucking reality being aware of itself. It's simple, why the hell you say that this obvious reality is an illusion? Stop watching those videos, are dangerous, they create psychosis, BE CAREFUL!!!

Dreaming implies a dreamer. A god who's bored and dreams the reality out love, you know that right? Then you are alone, etc etc. But if there is not a dreamer, where is the point of using the word dream? You could use the word structure, stable pattern that emerges from the unlimited, but dream always implies that you are the producer of the reality , and this is confusing, because you are the structure. Without structure there is not a you. The brain construct a reality based in the interaction between you and the exterior. That reality is the reality in a level, its the reality expressed as a mind . It's not a dream, it's the reality, there is not another reality more real. The mind is made of real procces, same than anything else. Using the word dream or illusion you imply that there in another reality more real and it isn't, this is the reality. Of course it is, but a dream Is a word to define the creation of your brain based in memories and residual activity in opposition with the fresh direct perception of the awoken state. And this is not the case, the mental activity is the reality expressed as mental activity, there is not another reality more real, there is more depth of perception in this exact reality, until you perceive the absolute source, that is exactly this, but filtered of veiled by the structure of the experience Seems that I'm arguing just for argue, but I do because I see the hindrance of the idea dream and illusion.

the mind only represent the reality, don't create illusions. Create representations. The separation is absolutely real. You could say that ultimately everything is the reality manifested in a form, but you are a form that self preserves and that is separated of others, even all are interconnected. Saying that the self is not real, that reality is a dream and those ideas only leads to mental isolation and closeness

A clearly defined sense of self appears at around 18 months of age, or at least this is the point at which a child typically passes the mirror test. If you place a mark on their nose and show them a mirror, they do not touch the mirror; they touch their own nose. Other animals that have also passed the mirror test include dolphins, elephants, great apes, crows, and some small fish. Other animals do not pass the test, but that does not necessarily mean they lack a sense of self. It may simply mean that they do not understand their visual reflection. A pig, for example, does not pass the mirror test, yet when it is about to be slaughtered it appears to know exactly what is happening and may react with extreme distress. Any being that interacts with the external world and possesses sensory organs has some form of selfhood, however basic. At its most fundamental level, it is simply: "I am."