Breakingthewall

Yes but also the king and the archbishop believed they could go to hell. Hindus believed this too, the Romans could go to Tartarus, and Buddhists to multiple hells and horrible reincarnations. There has always been an intuitive idea of cause and effect.

Ok, let's say that I agree. Then I could say that those women are completely incapable of giving love and life to their children because they are neurotic people trapped in their self-image, living in a state of perpetual semi-depression. Perhaps from the outside they appear high-class, but perhaps an illiterate woman from a village in the Congo has the open heart that they have closed, and that is what a mother will give her children: an open heart, not comparative neurosis. So who is worse in the dating market? Honestly I don't know

Who said that you made the clouds? Seems that you can't understand the idea then you put down the other as a defense. Read again those narcisists: Al hallaj: I am the truth. Nisgardatta: I am that Ramana maharshi: the reality is the I Jesus: I'm the path , the truth and the life Before Abraham, I am Upanishads: Brahman is the self Shivaism: I am Shiva Meister Eckhart: the eye with god see me is the eye with I see god Rumi: you are not a drop in the ocean, you are the ocean in a drop Or in simpler words; the reality is. You are. Then, you are the reality. Where is the mystery? It's quite obvious. You are a process that is happening in the reality, so you are the reality in the form of a process that knows that it is. "Knowing that you are" is the self, so if there is knowledge of being, there is self. You could say that you feel that there is no self, but you know that you are, so there is self, I'm sorry for telling you that shocking new, but it's real.

Yes sure, but the point is what is the character. Usually we mean the idea of ourselves built in the social interaction, and this must be transcended to be free What I mean is that saying that this idea is false is not a help for this transcending that is It is sought because the social self is not an illusion; it is a genetically encoded human construct that provides tribal cohesion, creates civilizations, and makes people fight over symbols. It is a real and very powerful force. To say it isn't real traps you in its grip, irrevocably.

Agree, the thing is where that will points. To be integral, true, to give your best, to love and to build, or maybe to win, to be great, to have pleasure, to be loved, liked and admired, so to take. Imo the vector is the key Well, what about those women? Are much better? Maybe they seem mature, self confident, ambitious , but then you realize that what is inside them is only the need to fit in and his soul is sold out. I'm not saying everyone is like that, nor are all men like the average dude you mentioned.

You can set all sorts of goals for yourself, but in a relationship, you'll be who you truly are. Your emotional makeup will surface, and nothing can stop it. Furthermore, if you try to act a certain way to achieve a certain goal, and that's not what truly comes from within you, you'll only confuse the other person, leaving them unsure of who they are until time and crises have passed, and then they could see your true face.

I hope she gets perfect from the surgery, that's good that you have a mother and that you connect with her in this situation, she's lucky. Imo any living being fears death, it's inherent with the fact of being alive. I guess that if you do your best in this life, when death comes you will face much better that if you have been a shit, that's why the religions talks about hell. Anyway, fear is inevitable, same than suffering, it comes with life.

I feel good enough, I want to make a perfect map not a map for relief

Your logical mind has the same basis than the reality, in fact it's the reality in the form of a logical mind, not something illusory or false. Then it could be aligned with the structure of the reality

Is right because it's aligned with the real structure of the object of that understanding

I don't think so, there is only one correct understanding and many wrong understanding. The idea is get as close as you can of the right one, not believing what makes you feel better just because a seller of books told it

Your identity has many layers and no one is false, you could say that are relative. You could say that ultimate what you are is being, then it's the same you, me, a stone or anything, but that doesn't mean that the process that's happening, the manifestation of the fact of being, is false. Imo if you say that the only thing that you get is confusion. That's why those spiritual teachers sounds so mysterious, just because their mental map is wrong

Reality is absence of límits from which coherent equations that sum zero arise, which branch without limits

An human being is a process, this process includes many things, and one of them is the act of knowing, of creating a temporal map anticipating the future by connecting it with the past, integrating memory, emotions, learning, and genetics. This process is the self, and it is the force of life made knowledge and vector. To say that it is unreal, as "adya" does, serves as comfort to depressed people, which is something, but it is simply false.

You're confusing two states of mind. One is meditative, in which there is no structure; reality simply is. In this state, you don't know that the self is unreal, nor what "I" means, nor anything at all. But there's another state, which is the structured, logical mind, capable of creating symbolic diagrams and maps of the structure of reality. This logical mind can understand a great deal, perhaps everything. To say that it's false, that it should be turned off, is obscurantism. What needs to be done is to use it properly. For example, when you say that the self isn't real, you're saying it using the logical mind, and it's the self that's making the assertion. That's not the right way to do it because implies a logical impossibility

Because you are in a moment of total relaxation, where the barriers your psyche creates to function in life among humans fall for a moment, then your mind clears, your heart opens, and you perceive with clarity the full brilliance of reality, of the fact of being, and you realize that everything is in it.

If you can't experience any other experience that yours, that means that only your experience exist. Well....and if you wish hard enough, all your wishes will come true.

Then after that pov what? Another pov right? So reality is a time line, but then they say that time is an illusion. So where is the next pov? You have to awake to it, and you are not. Ahhh

It's very different, Osho talks about silent consciousness . God as is described here is an entity with desires who dreams your character to live an adventure and he's fooling you in order to make the adventure credible and real. He is creating exactly your field of consciousness because his only purpose is having this experience, then he's not creating anything else because it would be useless. In fact he's you, but he has the power to forget that he's god, because otherwise the experience would be not interesting at all, but there are clues everywhere that you could see and in some point you will realize that you created everything to deceive yourself. I don't think that Osho means that. Anyway, the talk of Osho is like poor. He says that if you look inwards you will see a pure silent consciousness. That's totally false, if you really look inwards you will find the creative power of the reality, the source, the ocean of being, and it's not silent or noisy, silence or noise are just possibilities, just opposites. Osho doesn't know what he's talking about imo

@VeganAwake Read again those ignorant people Al hallaj: I am the truth. Nisgardatta: I am that Ramana maharshi: the reality is the I Jesus: I'm the path , the truth and the life Before Abraham, I am Upanishads: Brahman is the self Shivaism: I am Shiva Meister Eckhart: the eye with god see me is the eye with I see god Look, that you feel that the self is not real doesn't mean that it isn't. Some people feel that they should be idols, other that are possessed by demons, there are many feelings, but the reality is more, let's say, logical

And earth is flat and there are aliens hidden by the CIA, and there is no self

Like when they say that reality is love, but not the normal love that we know, but mystical love, that's totally different. Them why they know that it's love, if it's totally different? I think that for making a definition we should use logic, because a definition is made by logic. Then is someone says: one day I realized that the self was illusory! Boom! Ahhh ok, how you realized it? I just realized brother, you have to being awake to it. Awake how? Just awake brother!!! The self is illusory!!!!! You can't understand it because you are not awake. Ok ok, but here is a brain, with self perception, that also perceives reality and knows that is, and this is a self. No brother, the self is illusion, I realized and now I feel light!! Ok ok, over all be calm, don't get nervous😅

Read those dumb kids , poor guys, it's so pathetic, they didn't understand that the self is imaginary . It's funny, so ignorants Al hallaj: I am the truth. Nisgardatta: I am that Ramana maharshi: the reality is the I Jesus: I'm the path , the truth and the life Before Abraham, I am Upanishads: Brahman is the self Shivaism: I am Shiva Meister Eckhart: the eye with god see me is the eye with I see god

@Eskilon It's very difficult talking about Buddhism because there are many very different schools. Look for example this text of dozgchen Buddhism, it could be an advaita vedanta text, or any other monist religion. I am the Master, the pure and total consciousness from which everything manifests. Pure and total consciousness is the Supreme Source. It has given rise to the Buddhas of the three times; from it have arisen the beings of the three worlds and all that is animate and inanimate in the universe. Pure and total consciousness has created everything and has created nothing. It has created everything because it has created its own nature, pure and total. It has created nothing because within it there is no need to create. When my nature is not understood, and the phenomena that manifest from me become objects of judgment, desire and attachment give rise to a particular vision, impermanent and destined to vanish like a magical apparition, and one becomes like a blind person who does not know what is happening. As I transcend all affirmations and negations, I am beyond all phenomena. As there is no object that is not myself, I am beyond meditating on a view. As there is nothing to maintain apart from myself, I am beyond the commitment of observance. As there is nothing to seek other than myself, I am beyond attaining the capacity for spiritual action. As there is no place outside myself, I am beyond any level of realization to surpass. As I have never encountered obstacles, I am beyond all spontaneously arising wisdom. As I am the ultimate unborn nature, I am beyond all as the ultimate subtle true nature. I am called the Perfect Condition because everything is contained within me. I am called the Source because the teacher, the teaching, and the disciples arise from my three natures. I am the essence of all phenomena; nothing exists that is not my essence. The teachers of the three dimensions are my essence. The Buddhas of the three times are my essence. The Bodhisattvas are my essence. The four kinds of yogis are my essence. The three worlds—of desire, form, and formlessness—are my manifestation. The five great elements are my essence. The six classes of beings are my essence. Everything inanimate is my essence. Everything living is my essence. All habitats and the beings dwelling within them are my essence. Nothing exists that is not my essence because I am the universal root; there is nothing that is not contained within me. The unborn, the wonder of birth, and the manifestation of energy are the three aspects of the three teachers: this is their condition. As the three times—past, present, and future—reside exclusively within me, all Buddhas are in the same condition: this too is my essence. As I transcend the dualism of subject and object, and like space I am all-pervading, constituting the fundamental substance of all phenomena, my essence is pure and total consciousness. I, who am the Source, abide in the single state, and in this same authentic condition abide the practitioners of the four yogas. Realize my nature, the Supreme Source which is pure and total consciousness. Teach that all phenomena of existence are nothing but myself. If you transmit my teaching, all your disciples will realize my nature and become this very nature. If my nature were to reveal itself compassionately to the beings of the three worlds who have arisen from me... Thus I, the Supreme Source, reveal my nature, showing it to myself. Nothing beyond this exists. None of the Buddhas has ever received a teaching superior to this from me, the Source. Apart from this state of equality beyond concepts, I myself, the Supreme Source from which everything arises, have absolutely nothing to show to myself. Listen! Since all of you have been created by me, you beings of the three worlds are my children, equal to me, the Supreme Source. You are myself, inseparable from me. Therefore I manifest myself to you, and through the five teachers of the natures I teach the single state of the five essences. I am the single state, I, the Supreme Source: you too are this—be certain of it.

Yes because it cants talk, but monkeys can learn sings language and refers themselves as i, and can distinguish between monkeys and humans