Breakingthewall

Yes for me it's like a mission, if I can't show him his mistake my others interdimensional self are going to get non dualistic robots repeating that the self in a illusion for all the eternity, it's essential to succeed, but seems impossible

Well, who knows, perhaps right now we are living in a multidimensional reality, in exactly 723 simultaneous dimensions, and in 200 of them right now you are getting hit on the penis with a hammer every time you say "nothing matters" in the current dimension. An interdimensional demon is giving it to you and right after says to you: "It doesn't matter, right? Well, let me give you another hammer blow." All your others interdimensional self are just now screaming: stop! Everything matters! Pleas!!! But you can't listen them because your mind is absolutely trapped about that invented paradigm that you chose to feel emotionaly stable. Poor interdimensional selfs, I'm trying to help them but it's useless.

It's quite easy to explain reality through basic logic. First, existence does not arise; it exists. Arising implies a timeline and causality, and both are possibilities of existence, not higher parameters to which existence is subject. The only thing you can say about existence is that it exists or that it's limitless, both are synonyms; anything else is an aspect of reality, not its foundation. The only cause that can be inferred to explain the absolute fact of being is the absence of limits, and this is not something, but the lack of something. Any possible limit would exist, so it would be something inside existence, not outside. Nothing is external to the absolute fact of being, since non-being is not. Regarding whether existence is valuable, "valuable" is an evaluation that occurs within existence, so it cannot define the absolute, it is completely meaningless at that level. This entire logical system is essential to avoid trapping the mind in local paradigms that would prevent true openness to the absolute.

McKenna is absolutely wrong, enlightenment is not knowing that everything is an illusion, is being open to the absolute light of the limitlessness, it's a reality not a realization, is being what you ultimately are, what reality ultimately is, and it's power and it's life is total. The fact of being is absolutely affirmative, just because it is, and that implies everything. McKenna said that was so surprised about the absence of the philosophers, the teachers, the world. He can't see that the philosophers or a "mystical" state are the same, the absolute fact of being happening, and knowing that worths zero, being open to it worths everything, it's the absolute alive and you are that. He believes that knowing reality is an illusion removes him from the shell of the ego, but the category of illusion is a categorization of the ego. Enlightenment is being open to the total light that implies the absence of limits, to the source from which universes and dimensions emanate, which dances in the creation of forms because it has no limits and there is no alternative: it is, and being implies appearing. And that being has no restriction; it is absolute power, life, the perfectly synchronous relationship that creates dimensions, creation and death. A entire universe is the same than a thought, both are the absolute, both are unfathomable and alive. McKenna is closed to the life because he's prisoner of the categorization.

The ego is a structure that exists, and it's foundation are billions of years of evolution. Spirituality denie the reality of the ego and doing so closes the door. Any need of validation comes from the absolute need of acceptance in the herd, built in billions of generations. If you don't understand the strengtht of this structure, you are trapped. Nothing is false from a broad perspective, everything that exists is absolutely true by the fact of existing. Could be a closure but not a falsehood. The fear of being not enough is absolutely real, it's programmed by life from when we were rats. Spirituality would tell you: what the ego says is false, the truth is that you are loved and accepted. Then you are in a tribe and your ego screams: be worthy or you will be expelled to the darkness, the cold and lonely death. Then any non dualistic comes and says that this is an illusion, that there is no death, you are imagining everything. If you think about it closely, it's so absurd that's funny.

Imo it's better forget if things are good or bad and fight with everything. This game is not a joke, there is no place for too many mistakes, there is only one wise direction and is the one of openess, anything else is madness. Human mind is a dense labyrinth of molasses. If your actions and your focus do not constantly tend toward clarity, you will end up like a fly in honey, trapping yourself further while believing you are freeing yourself.

If I think: oh I'm a loser, all my friends are millionaires and I only have 4 millions, then I feel a lot of anxiety. Is this an illusion? Why? It's a reality. A fluctuation, a wave, appears in the reality, or the reality took the form of a wave that manifest as: oh I'm a shit+anxiety and closure. It's absolutely real, same real as a galaxy or an universe For you maybe a supernova is more real than a neurotic thought, but both are equally real, are the reality appearing as that structure, and the complexity and synchrony that involves that thought is exactly the same than the one of the big bang, it's the unlimited appearing, existing If you break down that thought at a quantum level, all the way to the foundations of reality, its complexity is that of the universe. That thought is the product of reality's fields interacting, and these fields come from dimensions we cannot even fathom. Any event in reality is perfect synchronicity; there are no levels, there is only one level and it is the total level. Existence exists, this, right now, is that.

Yeah, your vision is clear. People enter life paths driven by a need for validation without perceiving it, and once inside, getting out is difficult. How can you choose something like having children if not through direct contact with the source of life, perceiving that what you are doing is an act of expansion, openness, and life, seeing it in all its depth? Doing it just because otherwise you're a failure, or for ego-driven reasons, pushes you into a forced life of chronic anxiety, sadness masked by stimuli, a path that grows narrower and narrower. Not smart choice.

You could taste the whole flavour anytime, you don't need different experiences, you need being open to this one. That's why some mystics become statics, because they don't want any closure, any wave that blurrs the perfect transparency of this exact moment

Enlightenment is not a new identification, is that you were closed in the darkness and you open yourself to the absolute light, that's why the name "enlightenment". It's because the closed state is dark, because the closure prevents the source of this exact moment manifests, be perceived, because it's closed in the shell of the ego, the survival system, but if the openess happens, the unlimited nature of existence is totally perceived and the perceptor and the perception are not different.

There is existence existing right? You could call it no self or as you want but existence exist and that is what you are. It's not an identification, it's a reality happening now.

Well, there is a human that exists and can die right? It's a really, so that idea is the representation of a reality that's happening . If there is a recognition of anything there is a processor that does that recognition, a system that qualifies reality in categories, so you could say that you are that system, because without it "illusion" or "real" wouldn't mean anything

Exactly, well said, everyone lives like that, and it's a pretty sad way to live. Remember when you were a child and reality was alive, but at a certain point, without knowing exactly how, everything turned into evaluation, judgment, calculation, the need to fit in, to succeed, and then reality was no longer alive, it was an Excel spreadsheet with chronic anxiety, looking toward a future where everything would be good if a series of requirements are met. That path is a disaster; the only sensible way is to open up to the living source maintaining the necessary planificación of the adult. achieving it is a difficult equation, but possible.

@Yeah Yeah In my opinion, all of that is made up, but even if it were true, that human existence develops in different dimensions simultaneously with the goal of evolving, from a broader perspective, it would still simply be existence appearing, entirely lacking in meaning from an unlimited perspective; it simply exists. For a human ego, this is unacceptable and a higher reason must be found, and perhaps there is one. But if you keep scaling levels, you will eventually reach the absolute level, where what appears does so because nothing prevents it, and what happens is as it is because it is a possible possibility, and nothing more.

Who does that introspection? That introspection is so precise that after doing it you know that the self is an illusion? How? Because you did that introspection and you arrive to the conclusion, suggested by the non dualistic, that there is not a self? Maybe it's just an opinion don't you think so? In your opinion the self is illusory because you did an inspection and you didn't find any self. What did you expect to find? A self saying hello? Where? I think that's obvious that the label "illusory" is just a personal label, maybe the idea of self is different for you than for other people, then what exactly is an illusion? Forget the world "self", imagine that you never thought about that term, what exactly is an illusion? The idea that arises that you are a human?

Who is having that illusion? An illusion is an appearance that is not real. For an appearance that seems real exist, must be a subject who is deceived by that appearance, then realize that this was false and another thing is true. Who's saying that the self is an illusion?

I'm thinking in spiritual masters like tolle, adyashanti, Ralston, or Ramakrishna, Maharashi, Tagore, and I think that spending time with them maybe they could transmit some special calm, maybe some special understanding. Tagore probably would be someone special, powerful , genius, Ramakrishna probably would like to go on party with MDMA, then he would admit that he's very gay😅

Imagine that your emotional structure is a barrier that keeps your perceptual field focused in one direction, on a specific frequency. This doesn't happen because we are foolish or because it's an error of the ego; rather, it is the structure created over millions of years of evolution, from the first cells to the minds that recreate the universe as an interface between the organism and the environment. These structures are solid and very real, but they can be dissolved. In some cases, like Ramana Maharshi's, or perhaps yours, those structures are fainter and easier to dissolve, but it always requires a long and dedicated process. What is sought is not to understand reality, but to perceive the nature of reality, what reality is. This is not impossible, since the perceiving system, the mind, is reality taking the form of a mind that perceives in a dual mode with recording and prediction. A stone is reality in stone mode, it does not perceive. Reality is not perception; rather, perception is a mode of reality, and we are that mode. In other words, we are essentially the reality and formally perception. What reality is can be fully perceived; your mind can perceive itself as the absolute that it is. It is rediscovering what you have always been and what anyone is: the absence of limits that exists because it has no boundaries. And that absence of limits of total life has a self: You. Any self is the self of the absolute, because obviously there is a self, and obviously that self is an expression of the absolute, there is no mystery, it is something completely simple and direct. So if the limits of perception break, the total manifests, and the eye that sees it is at the same time the object that is being seen. But openness is not about knowing that you are the absolute, but rather opening yourself up to the self-perception of the limitless, which is recognized as something obvious yet forgotten. It is the totality that exists, possessing an absolutely clear quality: total being, the absence of limits, unrestricted possibility, absolute freedom, and the inexhaustible power that emanates from limitlessness.

But iit s full of organs or are also imaginary? For example, the brain is real? Or really the scull is empty?

So you say that the barrier is the self, but doesn't exist. Then there is a barrier, but can't be dissolved because doesn't exist. Emoticon now?

Existence manifest in something so incredibly perfect and deep like a human. Seeing a baby is seeing the absolute in it's expression. The creative power without restriction.

Empty of what? Reality is, fullness or emptiness are just relative aspects of existing. And enlightenment is being open to the absolute. It's the absence of barriers. You could say that it's an achievement because barriers exist, and must be dissolved

Much better being real and face the challenges with humility, that's the only way to find the courage that is inherent to life.

Nobody, it's obvious, I see it right now.

Your emoticon are very convincing, but even that solid argument, I'd say that "you" is the self, and the self is the structure that reality takes when a living being created a model of reality where exchange of information between inside and outside happens, then the perceptor appears, and this perceptor exist, same that anything else than appear