Breakingthewall

What about ethnic cleansing, is not God? Then how it's possible that exists? So if you are enjailed in a Nigerian prison at 12 to be gang raped every night for 30 men with aids, you should choose love. Maybe they already did for you Very hippy. What about the purpose of the body when you are enslaved in a plantation? Working? Sure, the ego is a mistake that god did because he's dumb. Or better, God don't like the ego, it's against God. Poor god, sad because the ego What if he says to rape kids? Ah, then it's not the holy spirit. You know that is the holy spirit if he says things aligned with the Bible. The Disney world, where all your wishes become real. Sure, of course you are not responsible of those rapes of kids. Sure, I would celebrate the guy who raped my son with a 1 week session of medieval torture finished with gasoline and a flame dancing around and shouting like a Sioux. That would make me extremely happy. I would record to watch with my family on holiday. That would educate my son about what being human implies. Of course, war is love, but we could call it war, to simplify. Sure. Today is raining and cold and I just saw an African guy who seems schizophrenic laying in the street with plastics to avoid rain . Maybe the universe though he needs just that and you a house and a family. In short: spirituality. A joke

Then if you have OCD and you are the whole day ruminating about getting sick and your basis feeling is horror, it's an illusion and you are already free. Maybe you live in a box in the street and you think that you are already millionaire. Again: if your experience is closed, you are closed, if you are sad because your cat died, you are sad, and that is, it's not an illusion, it's sadness. You can call it illusion or as you want, but it exists. The reality is, let say, real.

Sure, but maybe he doesn't to gain popularity, that is power. Then he's not so amazing, he's a politician.

Well they could accept the Sufis or Christian mysticism that are part of the religions

The most funny thing of going through that process is that you have to arrive to the point where you started: absence of need of validation. Seems so stupid so much struggle for that reason, but that's life.

I think real spirituality is impossible to refute. You could talk about it with anyone who is bit introspective and they couldn't denying. Real spirituality could be rerume: reality is. You are. Then you are the reality, in the form of this you. Spirituality means breaking the limitations of the psyche and open yourself to the totality of what you are. Period, nothing else. Nobody could say that's false

I think you can connect with people who's open and you can't with those who are closed. Is anyone is open you don't need to say a lot. Was so easy to connect when kid, I was always in open field with my friends without parents around and reality was magic, me and my cousin were in connection with the universe, or seems so to me, my happiness was absolute always, reality was shinning, the school was bit boring but outside everything was alive. Then you are not a kid anymore and life becomes a mess that is absolutely crazy, a real maze impossible to understand, a real fight against the abyss of madness, of isolation. Everyone around is crazy, alienated, and you see that you should be like that too in order to fit. In those moments is where a psychotic breakthrough is not far. People who feel life deep get depressed, alienated, psychotic, and those who get adapted are who are shallow or directly dumb. Everything is about appearing cool in order to be accepted for a brunch of people who are lying every word they talk, everything is like a movie and you have to act there. Until a point arrives where you think that there in only one perspective: mine. Only one judgement: mine. But you have to conquer freedom fighting hard. Anyway just a reflection without any relationship with the question

Hes right 😅

@Yeah Yeah all that about suicide comes from the societies where you are a slave, and a slave can't decide, has to obey. In tribes suicide was a admitted and sometimes a virtue. Old people committ suicide for the sake of tribe, young people could commit suicide for sorrow, shame or anything,

The tao can't be said but you can be one with the tao. Then you are the tao, and you perceive yourself. There is no truth that could be said or structured, there is the reality being and you are that, If in your now there are limits, frontiers, anything hidden inside you, subconscious, fear, need of control, you are closed. Need of control is specially difficult for me, but you have to abandon yourself totally, letting you dissolve in the reality, breaking the frontiers. There is an aspect very scary in the fact of abandoning control. In some point you feel the abyss of emptiness, the absolute nihilism. All your mental structure is sustained by the meaning, when the meaning falls, there is nothing. Absolute emptiness, and the mind feels horror, in fact absolute horror. Worse than the hell, hell is something that the mind can manage, emptiness no. You have to go through that absolute nihilism, open yourself to it, surrender the mind, kill yourself. Then the absolute opens itself, you open yourself.

The difference is total since religious people is closed minded, absolutely closed to any new ifea. and new age are open minded, open to new ideas. The problem is that human mind needs certainty, knowing exactly how things are, then the mind always create a frame, and in that frame everything has a cause, a reason . Human mind collapse without cause, and the absolute that new age people are looking for is causeless, there is no reason for reality, reality exists, and thats it, so if they want to open themselves to what reality is they should open themselves to the absolute absence of structure (because they want direct experience of the reality), but for that purpose they create structures, and that makes them appearing as crazy, disfunctional. Religious people need a jail and they have one, new age people need freedom and they haven't it

Yeah, it's very possible that if their assessors tells to sadhguru that his rate or popularity (and money) is falling he adopt the expression of a demon and start saying "gollum" "gollum". Really no one is free of corruption

Bilbo never said that he can making the trees bleeding 😅. It's too stupid to be corruption, it must be a kinda of strategy Anyway, maybe you are right, no one is invulnerable to corruption

Do you think that sadhguru is a weak mind who has fallen in narcissism? I don't think so, everything is strategic for sells, sadhguru is a genius of business. You could say that he does for the sake of spirituality and business is a need, but the problem is the people who get interested in spirituality, then listen sadhguru and he's saying that he can making the trees bleeding

The huge problem Sadhguru creates is that he makes analytical and non-conformist people view spirituality as a circus of clowns. Sadhguru only wants sheep people who believe he can go a year without breathing and who idolize him like a god. That does a huge disservice to spirituality and is an insult to intelligence. He may be a genius, but that aspect of what he does is quite negative.

Really sadhguru is a genius. He has built a true spiritual empire and goes head-to-head in debate with anyone. His Isha Foundation generates no scandals; it is scrutinized under a microscope by its millions of detractors, and the absolute worst they can come up with is an incident involving some elephants on a reserve. When Sadhguru talks about enlightenment, he does so without error, but the problem arises when he says things like only he can protect us from demons, or that he knows the 65 universes, and that he is a Marvel superhero. Why does he say that? I suppose it's strategy, but it really works against him, it makes him look like a charlatan. What is the point of saying such things? Maybe in India due their culture that's an attractor, a tool to attract people to real spirituality.

Being enlightened is not being a Buddha without desire and a saint, is being open to the absolute light that reality is and being one with it. But not always, rhen maybe sometimes you use drugs and date in tinder for sex. Not everyone is so straight and perfect.

That history when he's sitting in a rock and everything merges and he cried, seems authentic, it's the tipical experience of dissolution of the separate self. Millions of people have had that experience

Sadhguru is a genius. Is he enlightened? Maybe, being enlightened is not a big thing, is being open to the nature of reality. Then you could say that if you die in an accident you go to hell because your last moment when you are dying is amplified to infinity, that people over 84 (exactly 84) reach nirvana and there are 63 universes, but only 3 are still alive. And that you can make the trees bleeding. I guess it's a kind of joke, something that he says to get people perplexed , without a definite opinion, like....wtf? Or maybe he thinks seriously all that. Perplexity.

Exactly, I didn't use even translator, and my English is very far to be perfect

"God consciusness" don't make choices, in fact it doesn't exist, because being conscious implies limitation. "Infinite consciousness" sound nice, but is impossible, any consciousness is finite. Being conscious implies limitation in many senses. It's very obvious that consciousness is a structure that reality takes, not the substance of reality. Consciousness is a process, and any process is finite, has a beginning and an end. It's difficult to be open to the fact that consciousness is not ontologically different than unconsciousness, consciousness is just a property that is possible. Being attached to consciousness because you are conscious is a closure. If you want to open yourself to the unlimited, you have to leave it

I used the translator, sometimes I write by myself and others when the topic is complex I use the Google translator, anyway I improved a lot in English those years There is one awakening, the breaking of the barriers and the openess to your unlimited nature. But are degrees of dissolution of the barriers, you can't live all time without any structure

I believe the matter of consciousness can be cleanly defined. Consciousness is reality structured in a specific way, a structure that reality takes on when life occurs. Life is essentially a self-preserving process that carves out its own rules by building a buffer against the "external" universe. When biological complexity crosses a certain threshold, an interface emerges. This interface acts as a dynamic model of information exchange between the organism and its environment. Within that model, an unchanging reference point appears, the witness, flanked by memory and prediction. This entire cloud of integrated processes is what we call consciousness. Its ultimate nature is still reality, but operating in a specialized mode: reality experiencing itself through the prism of a relative subject.

The truth is absolutely simple: you are the reality. That's it, there is no further truth to know. Not "all" of reality, or "part" of reality. You are reality, period. What is not so simple is opening yourself up to what you are; that is quite difficult, because by default you are closed. Your system is designed to focus on survival, social interaction, validation, projection, and the compartmentalization of reality into categories. That is how the human mind works, so to open yourself up to your total nature, you must deactivate all that programming at will. Every line of that program carries an energetic charge; that emotional charge is what makes the programming functional and real. You have to be capable of making a structural movement in which all that charge is nullified or greatly diminished. To do this, you must have looked directly at that entire emotional fortress and merged with it: the essential fear of disappearing, of not being yourself, of being rejected by others, of suffering and death. You have to open yourself up to the absolute nihilism of death, and by doing so, life will open up within you. Then there will no longer be death, because you are life. You are not someone who lives, but rather life appearing as someone, and your depth and extension are total, you have no limits, and your nature is absolute potentiality, which is to say, life, absolute being.

Why? Who says that, or who knows that and in basis of what? Trees are there and that's it, who cares if they are in the category "hallucination" or "real"? Where is the difference? Only inside of your valorative scale. Why? Who generates them for that reason? Thoughts are an expression of the reality and that's it. Who has to watch them and drop them? Anyone separated from the thoughts? Thoughts are the expression of what you are, of your energetic structure. You can't ignore the thoughts because what you are is vibrating in the form of those thoughs, you are the thoughts, you can't ignore yourself, you can't split yourself in two. The only real thing you could do is see yourself without filter, see your emotional structure and be it, see your inner fear and your inner closure and open it. When you open yourself to the unlimited again and again, in some point you are open to the unlimited most of time and the frequency of your thoughts changes We are still human, I don't want to be abused, being sick or enclosed alone in a room for years, I prefer a than b, and suffering is always a possibility, that's human nature. You could see that what you ultimately are is the unlimited that is everything, but I prefer a life aligned with my human programming, with freedom, love, connection, than being a slave for example.