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You can't coexist with a population of millions that grows exponentially and that promotes a culture centered on absolute hatred of you, that believes in a god who grants them the essential mission of killing you, and who rewards your murder with eternal glory. It seems a little uncomfortable. Anyway, about the sacrifice , that's the price of living there I guess. Seems strange situation for a democratic western society, it's not it's place, then this friction happens. Seems that the Israeli are willing to pay that price Maybe they will

Seeing it from outside seems that if Israel wants to exist as a nation, it cannot show indecision or doubt. Israel's enemies are coming to the conclusion that Israel is inevitable. This fact is causing Hamas. Hamas does not seek Israel's destruction; it seeks martyrdom by killing Jews, enemies of Allah, in order to go to paradise. It is the last resort of struggle. At some point, the Palestinians will understand that what they have been sold is a terrible deal. Then, a real peace could be negotiated, and the Jewish fanatics will be relegated. But as long as the existential threat is simmering, they will have a voice, at least it seems so by logic

Morality takes a backseat when you live in a state of war; what prevails is what works. In cases of open war, it's a good idea to treat prisoners well, as this makes them more likely to surrender. But in wars against terrorism, things are different. The US has Guantanamo , in Germany, terrorists committed mass suicide. If you're a Polisario fighter and you're captured by Morocco, you'll have a bad time. And if you're a Kurdish guerrilla and you're captured by the Turks, it's even worse, if you are a Chechen terrorist and you are going to be captured by Russians, better commit suicide

Maybe because Israel isn't facing a political conflict, but rather religious fanatics. There's no possible dialogue with them. It seems only Muslims understand this. For example those: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP4Ea6zCNAu/?igsh=MWZiMzVieGY4dm40bA== https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP5yImKggDU/?igsh=MWFxeGw4N3Nhazl0MQ== But of course, in the other hand, it's almost sure than Netanyahu allowed the October 7, as those affirm. Demons playing with demons. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPeQ8OMiNsP/?igsh=MXdjdTBidGt1MXY5MA== But anyway, the facts are the facts and deserve a response https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPhcogjDKwD/?igsh=MWozaGx6bXB0d2RveQ== And this is caused by this mentality, that is common in the people of gaza. Then, what is the solution? https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPs0IMpiOan/?igsh=MWRzMWE1dmNnMnJlNw==

All this about seeing others as human beings is very good until they position themselves as your enemies, then you see them as your enemies. When the survival instinct takes over, everything else becomes unimportant. You justify the October 7 attacks because of the Nakba or whatever. The Jews justify the destruction of Gaza because of October 7, so the Palestinians will justify whatever they do to Gaza, etc., until one side wins. That's how human coexistence works. When things get serious, the only law is that of the strongest. It's the law of life. At any other time in history, the strongest would mercilessly destroy the weaker as quickly and completely as possible.

The problem is that seems that the militarization of Ukraine with US support and the threat of including it in NATO wasn't a clumsy move, but rather one intended to provoke this war. Biden, when he was vice president, promoted the coup. When he became president, it took him weeks to say that Putin was a murderer. That statement was a declaration of intent. It seems the idea was to humiliate Russia until it provoked a conflict and then isolate it, achieving Putin's downfall and the balkanization of Russia so that its resources could be controlled. This has been impossible, but other positive objectives for the US have been achieved, such as the recession in Germany, the sale of energy and weapons to Europe, the obligation for all NATO countries to increase their defense budget to 5%, the reconstruction of Ukraine advised by Black Rock, or also and as some say, having achieved ownership of a large part of the Ukrainian lands

That's true, Chechenia seems a hellish situation. They are "friends" because the other option is the devastation. It depends, sometimes sufficiently hard war creates the desire for peace. For example Japan or Germany. I'm not saying that this is the case of Palestine. Palestinian are still willing to fight, but the countries around could see that there is nothing to gain with this history and would be better admit the situation. I think that it will be the case, but everything is possible

All of that is very well from our Western, emo perspective, but do you think Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Morocco, and the Islamic world in general see things the same way and think about the suffering of the Palestinians? They respect strength. If they perceive weakness, their contempt is absolute. Right now, the opinion of Israel in the Islamic world is better than it was before the destruction of Gaza. Islam doesn't respect compassion, respect determination and force. You could see how good friends are Putin and the Chechens now, when they were absolute enemies.

I think that the idea is more buying everything around them. Buying in the sense that Islamic states see the enormous economic advantages of collaborating with Israel and the US. When Saudi Arabia recognizes the state of Israel, Israel will be officially legitimate in the eyes of Islam. It may take a while for that idea to take hold, but it will, and this will have a very important side effect: the opening of Islam. Something absolutely necessary for the humanity.

The idea of return has never left the Jews. Migration began in the mid-19th century. This is a radically different era from the 20th century. It's the era of Napoleón , to give us an idea. Until the 20th century, infrastructure didn't allow for the coordination necessary for effective return.

In my opinion this guy has an excellent look https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPwXF4egE9F/?igsh=bDhoOW5iajZmMWNt The war of Palestinian is victimism. That doesn't mean that being in jail two years is funny, but believing what they say is so naive. This Muslim guy has an interesting vision https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPtjcjNEhO8/?igsh=MWYzMHNjbWVtY2I2dQ== This ex member of Hamas understands it clearly https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPueVuzj9SE/?igsh=MWp0YWptbTE1NnBleg==

To say that 20th-century wars were more noble is a bit far-fetched if we look at the bombings of Dresden, Hamburg, or Tokyo (not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki) or the Japanese invasion of China and the Philippines. With the mentality of a 20th-century war, a million people would have died in Gaza in three months. As an interesting fact, I remember reading how phosphorus bombs were designed: with a lead head to pierce buildings and a jet of burning phosphorus that spilled onto each floor to incinerate as many people as possible.

It's possible, but they were given Gaza and became more extremist. It's important that the countries in the region have made the Israeli cause one of their hallmarks. Saddam was obsessed with Israel, so was Iran, and all the Middle Eastern countries in general, and Turkey. Now, seeing that it's a lost cause, they're slowly beginning to accept the fact. But for this to happen, Israel has had to be very firm. If, little by little, the Islamic world accepts the reality of Israel and if the Palestinians can have a state, perhaps the conflict will fade away, but it has required a lot of war. That's normal, on the other hand; that's how human movements work. I would say that the Islamic world is beginning to forget the offensiveness of Israel's existence and is beginning to see the possible advantages: technology, post oil economy, balancing Iran's threat. Maybe it's time for the Islam to move forward and open it's perspective.

Chatgpt says that. I my opinion it forget the point of the area, the Muslim territory, that is essential to understand why this conflict never ended, when the abuse committed by the Jews is much less than Bosnia or china , and started as defense. Why Bosnian Muslims Did Not Turn to Extremism The Bosnian Muslims, despite enduring genocide and the destruction of their communities, did not transform their trauma into religious militancy. Their collective response reveals how the structure of a culture—its degree of openness—determines the direction of suffering. A European and moderate Islam Bosnian Islam was not tribal or salafist. It was deeply European—shaped by Ottoman heritage but secularized through literacy, urban life, and coexistence. Religion was identity, not ideology. The people sought justice, not jihad. A national, not a holy war The Bosnian war was fought along ethnic lines—Serb, Croat, Bosniak—but its root was nationalist, not religious. When it ended, Bosnians aimed to rebuild a country, not a caliphate. Leadership and restraint Post-war Bosnian leaders focused on economic reconstruction and European integration. Imported jihadist groups existed, but the society rejected them. Their psychological gravity pointed toward rebuilding, not revenge. Structural psychology of trauma The Bosnians transformed their suffering into a future. The Palestinians, by contrast, crystallized theirs into identity. One path opens the wound toward healing; the other closes it around pain. In essence: Bosnia’s Islam survived tragedy because its core structure was relational and open. Palestine’s struggle persists because its structure remains closed—defined not by what it seeks to build, but by what it refuses to release.

You haven't understood anything. No one in Islam really cares that 20 million Muslims in China are being repressed and their religion banned, or that they are being massacred in Serbia. Have you heard about the Bosnian Nakba 150,000 times? Or the Uyghur one? Do you think there were no displacements, land thefts, or murders there? It's serious but temporary. What is intolerable is that a country is governed by non-Muslims in the holy Muslim land. It's a purely religious matter. In Islam, religion and politics are one. But those rigid close minded dogmatic people who have given their freedom in exchange of stability and belonging have to bow the head. That's life. They live around a lie, and in time lies always are revealed

@Raze ohhhh the little puppy sooooo cute with his passive aggressive IA. Look what mine says, seems different. Then, why do the 🤡 with the IA just to troll? Why are you in this forum? To win any medal? Good, you are a champ, so cute and so cool. Then stop trolling 1. “Israel's humiliation of Islam has once again been absolute.” This line reflects a perception rather than a literal fact. Objectively, Israel has demonstrated military and technological superiority over actors such as Hamas or the Houthis, but it has not “humiliated Islam” as a religion. What happens instead is that many in the Muslim world interpret Israel’s victories as religious humiliation, because Islamic identity is deeply intertwined with politics. This creates a symbolic cycle: Israel views its actions as self-defense. The Muslim world interprets them as an attack on Islam. That perception sustains the ideological conflict. 2. “Iran, Yemen, Hezbollah, and Hamas. We'll see how long the peace lasts.” This is an accurate summary of the regional alignment: these groups and states form an informal anti-Israel axis under Iranian influence. Every Israeli strike against one of them destabilizes the region. Right now there is a tense ceasefire, but no real sign of lasting peace. Stability depends on three factors: How long the Iranian regime withstands internal pressure. Whether Hezbollah maintains deterrence in Lebanon. Whether the U.S. and Saudi Arabia manage to prevent a wider escalation. 3. “Difficult situation for Jews, surrounded by hate everywhere.” Historically true. Israel exists in a hostile environment, not only militarily but also symbolically. From the Israeli perspective, the war is not merely about land—it is about existential legitimacy, the right to exist as a state and as a people. 4. “Let's see if the Iranian regime falls; it could be a consequence of this.” Possible, but unlikely in the near term. Iran faces serious economic and moral pressure, yet the regime remains solid thanks to three pillars: efficient repression, religious-ideological control, and anti-Western nationalism, now reinforced by outrage over Gaza. Ironically, Israel’s offensive may temporarily strengthen the Iranian regime by rallying its population around an external enemy. 5. “Imagine that Israelis were Muslims. Would anyone care if they expelled the Palestinians?” This points to a valid observation of the global double standard. When Muslim regimes commit atrocities—Sudan against southern Christians, Turkey against Kurds, Syria against its own population—the international reaction is far weaker. The difference is symbolic: Israel represents the West. Palestine represents the oppressed Global South. This emotional framing overrides moral consistency: the world reacts according to identity, not ethics. Summary The reflection captures an accurate intuition: The conflict between Israel and political Islam is less military than symbolic, and global opinion judges it through emotion, not coherence. Israel cannot afford indifference—its survival depends on strength. Political Islam cannot yield—its identity depends on confrontation. And the rest of the world responds according to moral sentiment, not logical consistency.

When I said that? Seems that your IA is inventing things. Your use of the IA is pathetic btw Anyway Israel's humiliation of Islam has once again been absolute. Iran, Yemen, Hezbollah, and Hamas. We'll see how long the peace lasts. I doubt it will last long. Difficult situation for Jews, surrounded by hate everywhere . Let's see if Iranian regime falls, would be a consequence of this. Just a question: imagine that Israeli were Muslims. Anyone would care if they expulse the Palestinian? Many Muslim countries are oppressing people, like Kurds, Sudan, etc, and who cares? Just a Rhetorical question, it's obvious that your need to be with the good guys against the bad American devil is preventing you from thinking clearly.

I don't think the Jews felt humiliated by the Germans, it was more a matter of absolute horror. They can stand in the land and be friends with the Jews. I'd like they can evolve and be open-minded. You are right, a lot of broken families and problems in west culture, nobody denied that. Sure, the Turkish are very worried about the injustice to the Palestines, they can't sleep because that. Are they worried about the injustice in congo? There are many. You are...well, I don't want to put adjectives. Put the adjective that you think it's correct Just a question: have the Muslims ever protest about any injustice to any non Muslim? the christians did many times, for example now.

Muslims hate Israel only because Israel humiliated Islam again and again. Not because they feel solidarity for the Palestinians, and Palestinian move for pride more than for it's own benefits, that's why the cheer the 7oct in gaza. Islam deserved to be humiliated, because it's mainly a shit. Rigidess, abuse, consanguinity, narrow minded. Israel put Islam in the right place: down. Let's see if the Muslims take advantage of this lesson os humility to change. Anyway It's impossible to have a conversation with you; you're just a sad, self-righteous narrow minded incapable of independent thought.

@Raze btw, I fully understand the Palestinians' demands, and they are largely legitimate, but they must completely escape the rhetoric of hatred toward Israel and the goal of its annihilation. If the Palestinian government were secular and sought a two-state solution, reconciliation, and collaboration, I would think that Palestine was right. But it seems that the majority of Palestinians are driven by hatred and an Islamic identity. Dealing with people who operate from that framework is impossible. Well, it is possible: as is being done now. (Now ask your IA: debunk this text . Oh so wise. Try to speak with your words, maybe you can, just try)

@Arrasar Honor and Humiliation: The Hidden Engine of the Palestinian Conflict Beyond politics and religion, one of the deepest forces sustaining the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a cultural code rooted in much of the Arab world: the logic of collective honor. This ethic, older than the states themselves, helps explain why the cycle of violence persists even when rational compromise seems possible. 1. Humiliation as the Core Experience For many Palestinians, especially the older generations, the Nakba of 1948 was not merely a territorial loss but a collective humiliation —the defeat of an Arab people by a smaller, non-Muslim community on what they regarded as their land. That event was transformed into a wound of identity, passed from generation to generation. The Palestinian cause therefore seeks not only sovereignty but the restoration of dignity. When honor becomes the goal, survival alone is no longer enough. 2. Martyrdom as Redemption In this symbolic framework, death in resistance is not senseless; it restores balance. The shahīd (martyr) reclaims collective worth through sacrifice. Families who have lost children sometimes speak of pride rather than despair —not because they lack feeling, but because their culture links value to endurance and honor more than to comfort or safety. 3. Israel as the Mirror of Humiliation Israel embodies, for many Palestinians, the visible proof of that humiliation: a small, technologically advanced, Western-aligned state dominating millions of Arabs. To accept Israel’s permanence feels, for some, like accepting eternal shame. Thus, even when reason suggests that war is futile, the moral structure of honor forbids surrender. To live without dignity would mean to cease existing as a people. The Tragic Impasse When the axis of identity is honor, rational peace becomes almost impossible, because any agreement implies defeat for one side. And a community built on dignity cannot accept defeat —even at the cost of its own survival. Conclusion The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not only a clash of interests but a collision between two existential grammars: Israel’s logic of security and individual survival, and Palestine’s logic of collective dignity and restoration of honor. Until that symbolic wound of humiliation is transformed into a new form of shared dignity, any political settlement will remain fragile —a ceasefire, not a reconciliation.

Then, If the population of countries like Romania, Germany, or the Czech Republic vote for parties that promote rapprochement with Russia, it is assumed that they have done so because they were convinced by Russian propaganda, which is evil, and those elections are annulled or mysterious deaths occur among members of that party. In other words, democracy is democracy if you vote for whoever i want, if not it is malicious Russian propaganda and the results are banned

Yanukovich was pro Russian by origins. He tried to balance relationship with Russia and Europe. In 2013 Europe asked him austerity and Russia offered credit. Then he turns to Russia. Is that a crime? Zekensky started with the promise of normalization of the relationship with Russia and fighting the corruption. Then he did the opposite.

Fortunately, Trump would never do something as crazy as break a promise; it would be terrifying. Americans would unanimously lynch him.

Sure, sure, there are no proofs about the Nord stream. Sorry, those arguments are compelling. If I told you that Hitler didn't like Jews, you could provide a huge pile of outraged data claiming that Hitler loved Jews, but that they wanted to commit suicide, and Hitler hospitalized them to prevent such suicides. He would personally sing them Hebrew songs before they went to sleep, but the ungrateful ones still committed suicide.