Breakingthewall

So, as you can't maintain a serious conversation about the topic you use irony, and your main argument is: I realized that the self is illusion. Well, some realized that they are Jesus or Napoleon. How? They just realized.

That's not the case. A person is a hyper-complex process created in the depths of evolutionary time, possessing fixed structures and the capacity for learning. What is learned, what you call thoughts, becomes a stable part of that process; it is not an illusion, it is entirely real. A human is conscious of themselves and of the reality outside of themselves, with which they constantly exchange information. There is no illusion if you perceive yourself as separate from another human being. You are. As ultimate reality, you may be the same, but as a process, you are two. Spirituality invents concepts that provide emotional relief, but they have the flaw of being false.

You are, but you could have a lie in your basis, or maybe you have removed that lie. Humans function by emotion, and emotion makes us to lie ourselves, because we can't face the truth. Then you could be integral, committed to the truth, or you can seek your emotional well-being by making that commitment more...lax. Then you're simply a liar, as we can see so often

Reality always appears as a dynamic relationship, since "appearing" equals dynamic relationship. Every relationship is governed by logic; there are no non-logical relationships, since relationship=logic. The human mind creates models of the universe through logical relationships and uses logic to understand and predict possibilities. The logic with which the mind operates is made up of relationships between ideas, and these relationships can be correct or incorrect, since at the level of association between ideas, the mind is a model of reality. The point is to refine the logic of association between ideas by eliminating everything that is not absolutely logical. If you allow a virus of illogical association to operate stably in your mind, it will lead to incorrect associations, which will cause you to separate (psychologically) from the true flow of reality. Its much better having few logical frames that are clean and aligned that a world of ideas with a small mistake in its basis, because this mistake will grow and you will get lost, as it's usual in humans

And how did you do this introspection? You started to think: where is the self? Oh, it's nowhere! Then there is no self! Well, maybe some people like scientist and those dumbs could think that your investigation was, let's say, not so profound as if could be. Maybe you need that conclusion because you listened it in some videos of non duality and you felt that this would be freedom? Just think about it

It's quite obvious; let's see if you can continue denying it. Processes occur in the universe, some of them incredibly complex, creating a model of reality, like an interface between the external and the internal, and we call this the conscious mind. The fact of being conscious implies a conscious subject. Who is this subject? The process that is occurring. It knows it exists, that it is a process, and that if its head is cut off with a samurai sword, the process ends. Where's the mystery? Is it, in your opinion, an illusion that you exist as an interconnected process we call human? The process is the very fact of being conscious and the self, since the fact of being conscious always, absolutely always, implies a self. There is no consciousness without a self, even if it's completely basic, like that of a newborn sardine. The sardine knows absolutely nothing except that it is, and that is the self. It knows it is because it has a brain that processes information and creates a predictive model with memory, even if it's a goldfish's memory. This implies a self. Who is the self? The process that we call sardine. Is it complicated? If the process ends, the self ends, but any other conscious experience would be a self. Then we could say: the reality has self. Because it's conscious of itself through the sardines, that knows that they are

Answer this Is there an experience? Is there perception, awareness of existing? Yes right? Well, let's say that you answer yes. Forget the character, nobody is talking about the character, there is nobody receiving the experience, nobody who is aware or the fact of existing. There is only the experience, and the awareness of existing, without a canter or a owner. Well this awareness is the fucking "you", not a character that has an history and that. The character is another level of the fact of being aware of existing that happens in the human experience, but it's nature is always the fact of being aware of existing In short: The fact of being aware of existing is what we call "you" or self.

Yeah, you are so authentic. Like the other. Spiritual people....

Then who is making that reasoning? "You"? It's also a logical reasoning, same than when you say that the self doesn't exist, another logical reasoning. Anyway, think what "you" want to feel safe

Every word that you emit has the sole purpose of elevate your self image. Then there is no sense or real content, there is no conversation possible, sadly. I tried but it's useless.

Yes, it's clear that you are full of love and joy. You make a lot of effort to make clear how full of love and happiness you are, but in every sentence it's a smell of narcissism, sadness and desire of superiority. You can't deceive anyone except blind people

You could empty your mind of content, or use logic. Are two different states, it doesn't imply that logic is wrong. The point is using logic. Without flaws

I already did, it's a relational structure, a model that the brain creates. It's just antrophormize the reality. Maybe the next thing you could say is that as I can't be out of my experience only my experience exist. This is the way of reasoning of a flat earth believer . It's not an attack, just try to see this perspective, then dismiss it if you see that it's wrong If there is not an structure that register the reality, creates a duality and predict the next, there is not consciousness, it's like anesthesia, unconsciousness, but reality still exist. Believing that consciousness is necessary occurs because you need a conscious creator, because you can't see a reality that emerges instead to be created, then you need a Deus ex machina to explain everything. And you need it because you are conscious, and you can't see that unconsciousness is exactly the same but without awareness of yourself. Awareness is something that can arise, not something essential. Contemplate that consciousness without registration of change is exactly unconsciousness, then pure empty consciousness is unconsciousness, same if you are in anesthesia.

Bullshit ? It's so exhausting to talk with defensive narcissist who can't see more than their need of being special. Look, what I pointed is almost impossible to understand for a blocked mind like yours, absolutely focused in self image and defense, but make an effort and try to don't insulting.

You can understand that the taste of an apple is a subjetive experience that happens due a structure that creates a reality where a model of the interaction of an organism and the universe is defined, then that taste is just another code of information. Of course this code is absolutely alive, same than anything else, because it's an expression of the unlimited, that lives because it's unlimited. Absolutely logical as you could see. The part of the lover and loved and nothing is just an interpretation based in mystical text from ancient times, that content powerful intuitions but lacks the logical knowledge that we have nowadays. You can't say that reality is "nothing" because nothing is a concept that implies absence, so it doesn't fit with the topic.

Consciousness is being aware. It's something, means that it's awareness. It's not a previous condition, it's not necessary, and unconscious universe could happen. Again, consciousness can be thought easily: it's the fact of being aware. That openess is not consciousness, thinking in that way happens because you can't imagine a reality that is not conscious of itself, because you are conscious of yourself

Mistakes according who? Maybe a supernova is also a mistake

Lets analyze the quote: "You are mistaken the physical world with your mind". Who is doing it? The owner of the mind? Someone who is separated from the mind who makes valorations? Like another mind? Weird. Then this entity would realize that the external world is imaginary. Wtf, this entity who's confusing the mind with the physical world is doing a lot of things, it's not a duality, it's a Trinity. Sounds so cool that must be true. But look it's simpler. The mind is happening in interaction with the universe, both are process that are happening and are real, there is no mystery, just the reality. Why to make complicated what it's simple? The self is not believing the mind is this or that, it's the mind. The mind is the process that happen in a complex structure self preserved that interact with the universe, just what seems to happen.

It depends of the person. Some have a logical mind that others can't understand, then some need to affirm that logic is useless, but it's a mistake, they should affirm that their logic is useless, then they would be right. It's fine recognize your limits. Imo it would be better dissolving them, but if your ego doesn't allow humility, it's impossible

Then language and logic are a human mistake and the reality is sad because they exist? Like baby Jesus crying because you touch your penis thinking in your cousin? I would say that logical mind is a manifestation of the unlimited, that has as it basis the mechanic of creation of universes. Logical mind is an expression of the logic that is condition for any manifestation.

They affirm that because sounds like logic from a perspective very limited (being polite). Then why those thoughts are been created? Is it because you're stupid and you create them yourself? Then why do you like having a family where truth, coherence, and love reign, and not one where your father rapes you and tortures your mother, tearing off her flesh with pliers? If everything is love! (❤️) Just stop being prejudiced! Help your father hunt enormous rats to lock your mother up with and watch them devour her! And then stop thinking negative things, you stupid masochist. It's all love. Silence your mind and go with the flow. Well, no, there are genetic structures creates in the deep time that make you have negative thoughts due some situations, same than makes you feel pain if you get burned. The mind is an alive being, not a mistake or a computer that you use, it's what you are, you can't use it as it were a tool because it's precisely you. If you don't understand it, you would be locked in a duality called non duality

I didn't mean a pov but the realization that there are not absolute limits, then the reality is not something alien to you but what you are. That doesn't implies that there are not relative limits, like solipsism, but that ultimately you are the reality. Anyway the point imo is open oneself to the unlimited, then that realization happen as a consequence

Really you didn't get it? It's totally different. Limitless is not something, it's openess, absence of límits that implies absolute potential. It's not a substance, it's a previous condition, just no bottom or edges. That's what you are ultimately, and that's everything. It's not the same than saying that reality is consciousness, like kastrup, that's impossible, just a projection. Imo it's absolutely different saying "absolute potential without restrictions that is updated by logical consistency" than "pure consciousness that is dreaming your experience out love". One of them is, let's say a mistake, being polite The absolute is not something like consciousness, neither infinity, it's the previous condition, can't be thought, but you can be open to it because you are that. "Consciousness" as absolute is a closure, it's totally obvious.

Just simple and inevitable when you remove what is impossible. Reality is limitless, and because it is limitless, it is. Therefore, it is absolute potential. This implies that any coherent relational framework possible, occurs. Any equation that is not contradictory and can be sustained unfolds. There is no will behind it; there is inevitability. In that cloud of coherent processes we call the universe, self-preserving processes appear, which we call life. These processes separate from the universe without contradicting it, but create a particular internal legal framework. This creates apparent duality, and when the level of complexity exceeds a certain threshold, the living process generates a model of reality that simulates the organism's interaction with the external world. This model is consciousness, which creates experience by registering and anticipating change. This process is a reality in itself; it is reality in the form of consciousness or awareness of being. In consciousness, reality looks at itself, opens its eyes, and becomes a self that perceives itself. This perception can eliminate all relationality and open itself to the absolute, to the total nature of reality, and in doing so, reality recognizes itself. Then the absolute fire manifest, the total power that reality is, that you are, but it's not someone, it's total, unlimited and lives.

Maybe you can get empty mind by meditation, it means that you can leave the mental level of the meaning at will due your practice, but the interpretation: reality it consciousness, could be wrong