Breakingthewall

That saying that the self is a misunderstanding when it's genetically encoded after millions of years of evolution, is incorrect. It is not an illusion or a mistaken thought; it is a reality. Furthermore, the very idea that the self is illusory is an idea that arises within the self.

Exactly, I see it in the same way. Will would be the drive of form, conditioned by the infinity of cause-and-effect relationships that create and condition it. Form is born and dies; it is not absolute, it is relation, and it's drive is relative, it's choice because could be one or another. What we call God, or existence, is neither born nor dies; it simply is. Therefore, its only will is to be. If your will is absolute, then it is not will, it is an absolute vector. I don't see how it could be otherwise; any other possibility implies relation, and by definition, God is that which has no opposite, the non-relative, that is to say, the absolute. Relationship are possibilities that happens in the absolute drive of being. The drive of being never started, never will finish, then it wont arrive to any place, just cycles of creation and destruction following the equation of reality that could be described as 0=1-1. (As a metaphor) I also see this in that way. Even there is no destiny our will must be aligned with the drive of reality, just because any other option is resistance. Going with the flow is easy, going against it is unnecessary friction. Not smart option.

Will implies choice, drive implies inevitability. If there is choice there is an entity that make decisions, if there is drive there is absolute direction that happens because there are not restrictions or limits

You could say that the drive of reality is positive in the sense that it is, it exists. It has a positive vector, direction: being. That's absolute, without opposite.

Then it wouldn't be God as we use to define it, it would be blind power that happens, and reality wouldn't be a dream in the mind of God but the manifestation of this power. I think it's very different

The ultimate truth is unlimited being. You can't being open to the unlimited being if there is any structure, but after when the structure returns you can say: I was conscious of the ultimate nature of reality, and the subject and the object were one.

What is actual tangible is being. Consciousness/experience is an idea that implies that you are conscious or something, that you are having an experience. What Happens is that "being" in this form appears as experience, but experience is secondary

Some others . I'm quoting just to show, imo their explanations are too dark, could be much more simple and direct, but at least there are not mistakes. "The person merges into the witness, the witness into awareness, awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only its limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the real Self." "As long as you are a seeker, better cling to the idea that you are pure consciousness, free from all content. To go beyond consciousness is the supreme state." "The source of consciousness cannot be an object in consciousness. To know the source is to be the source." "You have to be there before you can say 'I am'. The 'I am' is the root of all appearance." "The 'I am' itself is an illusion; you are not the 'I am'. You are prior to it." "In pure being consciousness arises; in consciousness the world appears and disappears." "One thing is quite clear to me; all that is, lives and moves and has its being in consciousness, and I am in and beyond that consciousness."

So he says that the true self is the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide , but it means that reality is nothing. Well, if you say so.... He also said this: "The source of consciousness cannot be an object in consciousness. To know the source is to be the source. When you realize that you are not the person, but the pure and calm witness, and that fearless awareness is your very being, you are the Being. It is the Source, the Inexhaustible Possibility."

I can meditate (sometimes in 2 minutes) until the subject-object duality collapses, and then reality opens without limit. At that moment, there is no "being conscious of." This doesn't mean one is unconscious, but rather that the act of being conscious dissolves into the reality that is. Afterward, the structure returns, and I think: wow, I was conscious of the absolute without being conscious of being conscious, because if I had been conscious of being conscious, there would have been a duality, which is a structure, which is a barrier. I don't know if I'm explaining myself clearly.

Reading nisgardatta, seems that he's a mystic that is not in a mistake. Another is Ramakrishna, and another al hallaj But seems that nisgardatta was in a mistake at the beginning, but after he realizes it

No, look: "The person merges into the witness, the witness into awareness, awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only its limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the real Self, the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide Nisgardatta

You are implying that god is an entity with a will that does things for a reason. That would be limited. It's antrophormize the reality. If god is unlimited it wouldn't have intention, or if you prefer it would have all the intentions, that's the same than no particular intention. If anything arises it's just because it's possible, god or the absolute being is absolute potential, not a person who does anything and then forget it.

Humans systems are a manifestation of life. They might be a little cruel, but have you seen those wasps that lay eggs inside live cockroaches, and then the larvae devour them from the inside? And then people say that capitalism is bad.

@Mellowmarsh that's a mess unnecessary to explain something extremely simple: Reality is. Being happens in multiple forms but all of them are. Forms change, being is absolute. Forms are limited, being is unlimited. The fact of being is inevitable due the limitlessness. And that's it. No mystery, 0=1-1 . The end. What's more complex is understanding the human dynamics.

It's much simpler. The absolute is the unlimited being. Unlimited implies being, being implies everything. When you are open to it it's absolutely obvious. If all the barriers of your mind fall away, what remains is the absolute being. The fact that the absolute being is known within you is because you are a knowing structure, that is, consciousness. But consciousness is a specific structure that occurs, not the absolute itself. Consciousness is the absolute in the form of knowing that is. The absolute happens without intention, a creator isn't needed, it's just inevitable. For consciousness to exist, there must be a record of change and subject-object duality. That is, a self-preserving organism that exchanges information with the outside world. There's no need to invent another magical reality; this one is already magical enough . Opening yourself completely to the absolute isn't so difficult; the problem is that all spirituality is formulated in a confusing way. The absolute is you, not another. You are the absolute manifested in a form , it's just under surface. If you open yourself to your true nature there are no doubt, but this doesn't implies permanence, the form will disappear, what is will always being.

No problem, just admit that you are wrong and I'm right, then everything would be ok 😘

What means that ?

The absolute is not nothing, it's the absolute

Consciousness arises as a disturbance in the Absolute, and in consciousness the world arises. When you realize that you are not the person, but the pure observer, you take a step back. But the observer remains in consciousness. You must go even further, to the Absolute, where there is no consciousness of 'I am,' where you are the Pure Being prior to all being or non-being. The Absolute is your true state, unchanging and imperishable, unaware that it is. — Nisargadatta Maharaj, "I Am That"

When the mind is absolutely empty only one fact remains: unlimited being. That doesn't mean "consciousness", because "consciousness" is still an structure that implies the fact of being aware, then a duality. Even they will say that this is non duality. In absolute absence of barriers the unlimited being manifest. For example nisgardatta explains it quite good, Ramana not so good. Then, after that absolute and obvious openess, you can deduct using the logical mind and the observation how the reality is structured. If you live in the 4 century, maybe you could arrive to the conclusion that everything is consciousness and you are dreaming, but nowadays we know about physics and we can do better deductions. But enlightenment is always the same: unlimited being

Then shut up and empty your mind of ideas until no structure remains. Then what is absolutely obvious will manifest

Oh, what a solid argument! I am a blasphemer? I'm sorry, I won't participate in religious argument, believe what makes you feel safe, forget what I said. Anyway, saying that as you can't go out of your experience only your experience exist is also a logical deduction. Only that little, let's say.....well, I don't know the exact word. Imagine one.

Agree that consciousness is necessary condition for anything to be known. Well, not exactly, I would say that consciousness is the fact of "knowing", are synonyms. But then you do a jump: as what I am is consciousness, this fact of knowing that I am, means that I can never get out of this "experience", so the reality is this experience . This is not a logical implication. It's like saying, as I can't fly, fly doesn't exist. Well, maybe it doesn't exist for you, but the possibility exist, same than a reality unknown

Id say that the answer is extremely obvious and can be understood by the conceptual mind. Reality, as physics explains, is the unfolding of coherent relationships. This occurs because there is nothing to restrict it; therefore, a universe, which is essentially a coherent mathematical equation, unfolds. In that universe, what is possible happens, simply because it is possible, for no other reason. Within the realm of possibility, the emergence of a sufficiently complex process to create a model of the interaction between interior and exterior occurs. This model is a process in itself within the process that the organism is. This is consciousness; it's quite simple, isn't it? Why seek metaphysical explanations? Reality is already metaphysical.