Breakingthewall

How could you digest anything if you are not the mind? Who understands that? The absolute reality? How? So the absolute reality was confused thinking that it was the mind but in some moment it realizes that is not the mind. It's a mental process , so is the mind who realizes that

Then me, that I am unnameable, unexplainable and unexperiencable have to silent the mind that is another thing. How could I do that if I'm the nothing before the birth? Maybe do you mean that I am the perceiver, the center who is perceiving the mind and the body, then that center decides to silent the mind?

So there is me, like a entity, that arises together with a thing, the body, that behaves on its own, and a third thing, the mind, that must be silent by me. So what I am? The one who is going to silent the mind? How? With another mind?

Then body and mind are things separate from me?

The logical mental system is an important part of the human mind. If you want to align all your energies to be open to the absolute the logical mind must be aligned. You don't need to understand everything but if you have a logical system based in mistake you are trapped

On the other hand, there are points that I see as very clear, very obvious, so I share them here to see if anyone connects with . The issue of spirituality is still to be clearly formulated; no one has ever done it. I'm not prepared to do that; I would need a more stable level of openness and more discipline and order. So all I can do is share some ideas here. But where is who can transmitt this properly? Sadhguru? I can't believe what he says about rivers of energy, past lifes and 84 universes. Maybe his work is absolutely positive, but his view is dissonant for me. Where is the one with the clarity?

I think that writing, debating, contrasting ideas, trying to communicate your vision, and reading the visions others communicate can be very useful for understanding your driving forces, your blocks, and your blind spots, if your intention is expansion. If your intention is contraction, that is, for everyone to see you as great so you can feel great, then it's useless. The idea is to make a constant effort to try that communication is as free of ego as possible. Everyone unconsciously lean towards ego time and again, but little by little you become aware of it and refine your energy. The issue isn't where you are, but where you're headed. For example, everything I just said, I'm really saying to myself. I'm not saying it so you know something; rather, this conversation is an exercise for me to become aware of things, but same time sharing as direct an clean as I can. This is not a conversation like being with a coffee, it's a development of our logic sistem to try to make the barriers as soft as it's possible little by little

I write because it make me feel good, same that anything that you could do, that's not the point imo, the point is from what angle you are acting, if your energy aim to the expansion or to the contraction . Expansion means openess, communication, connection. Contraction means closeness, self image, exclusion, self. All of us have some contraction, it's almost inevitable. If you start a thread a little voice is It's whispering: you're soooooooooo cool. It's extremely difficult to get it to shut up (impossible? Maybe) The point is to realize how horribly pathetic you are for emitting that energy, and little by little it will diminish. You're pathetic for inflating your ego for one reason: it traps you. It contracts you. It's like the Ring of Sauron, it whispers pleasant things to subdue and enslave you in the darkness.

I think that what @Ishanga tries to say is that @James123 acts to feel he's so cool not to connect and communicate. Its very easy to perceive when someone acts from the flow or from the inflation of the ego. The problem is that the one who moves to feel so so special doesn't know it, he really thinks that he's acting for the sake of humanity (that's why he's so cool) , then point it to them never works, they are going to think that you are not awake, jealous, blind, anything. They have the talent to see anything that protect their so cool self image. They can change attitude, change what they think, change what happened, change anything except changing the angle that is focused in the protection of the cool self image Anyway ishanga, you should know that this behavior is very common, not only in spirituality but in humans in general, then it's better don't try to fix everything but express your truth and try to connect with who's in your frequency if there is anyone

The specific manifestation, the self, the vantage point, whatever we call it, is made of the essence of the absolute, but also of the totality of form. I think it's important to see this. This doesn't mean there aren't more vantage points, but rather that the center is an energetic construct, an "illusion" (a misleading word), and what you are contains the totality of form. The gears that make you move are in the cosmos in its entirety. A butterfly flaps its wings in the parallel universe xj12700, and you think that your neighbor is hot. Everything is totally interconnected; nothing is separate, neither in essence nor in form. Or if you prefer, a thought about your neighbor appears creating a center of tension that wants, a self, and that self , with wanting, is the cause of a limitless line of effects Well, I'd say both. There is nothing but the truth, so the self that perceives itself as a center recognizes that's a energetic temporary construction, a tensional node, then it claims: I really am something different in structure and essence that what seems, I am the totality in all senses. "I" because there is a point that "know", a knowledge happening. It's the same if it's not "real", it is. Sure, because religion didn't aim to freedom but to control, same than now. I don't mean that was wrong, was necessary to build civilization, but it's necessary now? I think it's a hindrance Mostly are only in understanding without seeing, and understanding according them is realizing that what they watched in the videos is true. They use psychedelic to understand. It's like using alcohol to drive moto GP. Psychedelic are for dissolve energetic blockages, relaxation of the tensional node that is the center of perception to perceive those blockages, and to have moments of openess to the absolute nature, then sending a message to the blockages: you can relax, stop controlling so hard, there is not a threat, there is the totality and you are that. It's the only way to make them relax little by little . For understanding, better than psychedelics, study quantum physics.

If you say so

How do you know?

I'd say no. Id say I'm staring death with joy, but of course, if tomorrow they tell me that I have any shit in the body that's going to kill me little by little I'm going to get in obsessive mode , but I'd say that when the moment comes, I would think: come on. Let's party. Alleluia. Of course, who knows. You don't know how's going to be your attitude when the moment of letting go everything comes. But if you can truly visualize that's going to be wonderful and absolute freedom, it's already something. Exactly. The birds sing, the fish swims, the dolphins jump and the people moves forward in any circumstance. Life lives. Buddhist are very negative ,sure that when they were kids life was wonderful, so it's not "suffering" by definition

It's very simple in my opinion. What we call God is the ultimate nature of reality. The ultimate nature of the reality is your ultimate nature and the ultimate nature of anything. You can open yourself to that nature, it can be defined as absence of limits, the absolute. Enlightenment means being open always or be able to be open sometimes to that nature, perceive what you are in essence. It's a reality, not an idea. It's what you are. Then you realize that there is not a creator, it's a possibility happening, it's inevitability. Anything that appears is made by infinite relationship, infinite cause effect movements that means nothing, just the inevitability of the no limitations, and it's irrelevant, infinite universes interconnected are irrelevant, just possibilities. Are alive, wonderful, full, but the point is the substance, the substance is limitlessness, you are exactly and precisely limitlessness without center, and anything that appears is just something that appears. Then you can expand yourself and be that, you are not anymore psychological, not an energetic structure made of attachment, fear and desire. You are open, no contraction, not attached to the form, your mind is not focused in things or relationship, it's open, without edges or bottom .

When it's said that the finite, or the self, or maya, is an illusion, it means that everything that is divided is divided by the mind in order to operate and orient itself in reality. What reality is is a constantly changing flow without separation, and it is my mind that creates the separations and, in doing so, gives meaning to reality, dividing it into opposites and parts. But the fact is, if my mind divides reality into parts, there are parts. In my mind, but it's the same thing; they exist. In my opinion its irrelevant, the only thing that matters on a mystical level is opening yourself to the nature of reality, not to its structure. It's irrelevant whether reality is a single, fragmented flow, whether time is an illusion or real; what matters is perceiving what it is, not how it is. How it is is a mental structure, what is the essence. "How" is exploration, interesting. "What" is opening, essence, the true nature of everything

Maybe you could break the separation between the body and you

God takes you from one feeling to another and teaches you through opposites, so that you have two wings to fly, not one. Rumi It means that duality is the expression of the absolute; it is the absolute made form, within form, the totality dances. And the human mind is the dance and the eye that perceives it in all its depth. Don't you want to open that eye? It's your choice.

@zazen You are not a drop in the ocean You are the ocean in a drop Rumi Or if you prefer: Ana al haqq. I am the truth. Al Hallaj. The purest mystic, the one who's direct as an arrow, the one who's open to the absolute and is one with it. Ana al haqq , let's analize "I". Who? No one? No, I, that is, that exists :"Sat" "Am". That stands out, that appears, that knows itself: "Chit" "The truth". the totality, the openness, the absolute without edges, center or bottom. The absolute freedom, the absolute glory: "Ananda"

Perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand what the self is. It's real, as a self, just as the body is real. The self creates experience by dividing reality into sections in order to operate; it's an energetic software. If you transcend the self, you realize that reality is total, without divisions, absolute. But the one who realizes this is the self, which recognizes itself as a construction that is occurring. It's not unreal; the idea of "unreal" comes from the self trying to divide things into real and unreal. Nothing is unreal; reality is

In Sparta, to prevent that, they made you fight adult bears for food from the age of four. Since we are not fortunate enough to have Leonidas teaching us that pain is our friend, we have to educate ourselves by deliberately and consistently exposing ourselves to absolutely unpleasant situations, trying to avoid them being fatal.

The thing is that the mind and the matrix is the absolute. Everything that appears is that. The mind is extremely difficult to align, but it's possible. Reality always manifests itself, and now it is manifesting as your mind. That mind originates from structures focused on survival and reproduction, which in human beings unfold in countless nuances. That mind is the structure of the universe in a hyper-complex form that has the potential to perceive its absolute nature. No mind is impossible now because you are now a mind. You may believe your mind is silent, but it is operating, comparing, evaluating, at subconscious levels. The slightest deception, such as assuming the mind is "something else," closes the door. It's very subtle. The mind is what perceives the absolute. Without a mind, you are unaware of anything, in fact you are a mind now. The mind is "knowing" in the sense of perceiving, of being conscious. Without a mind, you are not conscious. Then the mind is the eye of the absolute perceiving itself, so deny de mind is a door that closes. The mind is what creates time and separation, then consciousness arises. No time and no separation is impossible being a mind but transparent time and separation is possible. The mind has to operate without center and without contraction. The problem is that the emotional sistem is contraction that creates a center so a movement is needed, a very deep change that reformulate all the emotional structure, and the only way to do that is achieving moments of total openness. Day by day, month after month, the mind restructure itself until it's transparent, not contracted, then it's a mirror of the absolute

Before enlightenment chop wood wiith 50 layers of energetic emotional operating system creating tension. In fact, you chop wood driven by that tension. After enlightenment, chop wood with a mind as clear as the open sky. In fact, maybe you stop chopping wood and do something completely different, something that's in tune with your potential, not chop wood all day like an obsessive to show the world how much wood you can chop

Good advice doctor!

Enlightened is being open to your true nature now, it's an energetic shift. Now I'm not enlightened, but this morning I was "enlightened" a couple of hours and this afternoon just a while. Enlightenment is when form becomes tenuous, like a transparent hologram, and essence manifests. Essence is neither love nor will; it is total openness, which is not "something," but you are that. You cannot define it; you could say it is the potential that contains everything without being anything, without dimension or quality, but still is total. Then form becomes non-essential, irrelevant. Experience is irrelevant; it is simply a possibility that is equivalent to any other. Simply ceaseless change on the surface and total, immutable "depth" at its core. And the most shocking is that being conscious or unconscious is also irrelevant, you open your heart to death because it's the same than life. Not to another life, to absence of consciousness. It's the same than consciousness. Then in that state, or energetic structure, this depth is everything, you are that, it's not someone, not a center, it's sat chit Ananda. Sat, what is. Chit, evident, that stands out, Ananda, the total freedom, the perfect "happiness" without stain , maybe better total absence of contraction of the unlimited Then from the human structure, that's is very deep, alive, connected, you can understand what is the structure of the movement, why it is happening, because the human structure is open to the openess then it's obvious that the openess makes inevitable the infinite unfolding of the form. But one thing is the flow and another the substance. Not in the sense of they are separate but in the sense that are two different aspects of the reality. You can't understand the essence because "understand" is form, but you can understand the form. The form is relation without end, and there is not a creator, it's inevitable because there are not limits. God is the absence of limits that is same time openness that is and infinite unfolding of change in infinite dimensions, without end. Then you see clearly that if your human form ends, you are the totality, it's not like : after I'm going to live another life. "After" only has meaning from this form. Understanding only has meaning from the human structure, really it is absolutely irrelevant, means absolutely nothing, but as a human it's absolutely fascinating. .

Exactly, what you are being is an energetic node created from countless structural layers of reality called the human self or if you prefer, the experience. it is a manifestation of reality, and as such, it is the essence of reality manifesting itself. Enlightenment is opening up that tension that converges at a center so that the total nature of reality can manifest. It is not a creator, nor a center, nor an intelligence, nor a will; it is a total opening that exists because it has no limit. Enlightenment is not a realization; it is an action, a shift in the frequency of the self. Who is "enlightened" is the self, being enlightened means being a human self that's open to it's absolute nature.