Breakingthewall

That's why you made a post titled the myth of enlightenment, because you don't want to break that bubble

I think that you would agree that this mental dynamic involves clinging to a belief that minimizes suffering. A kind of religion. It has the advantage of potentially reducing suffering, but it blocks you from opening yourself to reality. It's like a shortcut, but it leads to a dead end. It's much better business to go deep on real, face yourself without tricks letting go all the beliefs, but your choice

I don't agree with this. There are accurate descriptions of a process and others that are wrong. It's like someone telling you that to run 100 meters in under 10 seconds you don't need to train, just order pizzas and watch Netflix.

Its not that I don't believe, it's that this is a mystical experience , liminal experience, call it what you will, but it's not a complete openness to what you are. Which should be a good thing, since it means there's more to see.

What means nothing? Why did you think that you are nothing if you are something now? If being dead is nothing you couldn't remember it because it's nothing that could be remembered. If it is something it's not being dead, it's being in another state, so it's an idea that come to your mind. Imo any idea about what happens when you die is just an idea that is happening now in our human mind. The only possible real realization is what are you now. It's not a "realization" in the human mind, it's the total absence of contraction now. It's not "nothing" or "something", both ideas are inside of the limits that makes definitions possible, it's the openess, limitless, totality. I don't mean to know that you are limitless because limits are imaginary and that, but truly being limitless now. Then you don't know nothing but that you are, and that's everything, you see your true face, it's not any entity, god, soul, creator, or anything, it's the vastness , the unlimited, and you want to be dissolved in it because you are that. The problem with this is that human mind need limits to preserve sanity, feeling of ground. The mind prefers anxiety than freedom because freedom feels like death, then the work is inmersión little by little, adaptation. The real question is: do you have now a feeling of total fullness, totally present, alive, empty of contraction, or not? If not, there is contraction. Im in contraction 80% of time, or maybe 90 or more, and almost always with some contraction, but I can to dissolve the contraction totally sometimes. Then I know exactly how it works, it's like a delicate balance and alignment that have to be achieved, then the contraction falls. First time that happens you will cry loud and you will say alleluia.

When I say we are trapped, I don't mean knowing you're going to die and then be free, but being trapped right now by energetic barriers that prevent you from opening up to your absolute nature. That is, if you sit down to meditate right now, and focus completely on this moment, without interpretation, without mind, there will still be a barrier. You will be in a silent but closed-off experience. There is an atavistic fear of non-being, a need for control that goes beyond the logical mind, which creates this closure. With the help of drugs, you can more easily look directly at this barrier and gaze directly into the limitless abyss that this moment represents when you strip it of everything. It is there that you can take the step of total surrender to the limitless. If you do this many times, the barriers begin to relax. Don't deceive yourself; they are real, genetic, and powerful. At a certain point, you will be open to the totality and you will be the totality. Then the glass is filled, the prodigal son has returned, after a long and hard journey through a shitty desert of desolation, isolation and alienation. This is not an abstract or vague realization that you are consciousness or anything like that, it's the action of opening yourself to yourself: the reality.

It would be much more accurate if you said that it is reality organized in such a way that it records a chain of events creating a duality between subject and object, and we call this structure consciousness.

Seems that this topic is too complicated for you, but anyway I will try to explain. Look, many spiritual teachers talk to appear enlightened, many times contradict themselves. You can't believe in anyone. It's the same if he's venerated or if he looks a saint. If someone tells that there is nothing to achieve, nothing to do, it's clearly a lie. If you live in dense state , full of emotional barriers, you have to do a big work, walk a long path. You have to do inner work and external work to align your life in the sufficient level to be able to be open to all your unconscious mind, then you can try to open yourself totally without limits now. This is not something that happens without a real serious work in the correct direction. Ramana s teaching are vague, not concrete at all, contradictory. If you listen Ramana 30 minutes you will get the feeling that he's very elevated but zero inspiration for your personal work. In fact, you will think that there is nothing to do, and you will get stuck in your actual situation.

If anything is trapping you it's real, you can call it illusion if you want, but you will be equally trapped until you break it.

Sure, but to do that correctly we have to understand the human nature on real . If we assume that everything is a matter of education or socialization we are confusing the symptom with the sickness. If the humans would be integral, without feeling of lack, without the need of sustaining a self image to be accepted by others and by themselves, then most of the human social problems would be solved, but this is not the way than humans are right now. There is an evolutionary process that has its own rithm. It's good to push in the right direction, but for that we must understand what we are, not being idealistic.

Enlightenment is not a cognitive process but a mechanical one, or energetic if you prefer. It is being now without any contraction, any barrier. But be careful, none. Absolutely free from the contraction inherent in human nature. How is this achieved? Each person has their own path, but normally life has created unbearable barriers of separation within you that make your life miserable, and this forces you to try to break them down, and in the end you realize that the only way is to open all the doors. Then the whole manifests, and you realize that you are that. Any explanation about God , reality, universes, is just philosophy. It's interesting and we can argue about it as a hobby. I would say: reality manifest in fluctuation that create patterns blabla, and you would answer: no, it's a inherent will, blabla, but that's not enlightenment. Enlightenment is the fact of open yourself to the unlimited now. Then you will see your true face, what has no bottom, the absolute that is, the tao. You can't think in it or remember if, you can be absolutely clean of contraction, then it's obvious.

God is just a misleading word that is better to avoid

The mind also creates order, like geometry or the theory of relativity, and can explain enlightenment directly, or incorrectly.

God is no control, no will, no choice, no knowing. Then it's not god, it's just the dance of creation and destruction, the eternal movement, but over all, the total openess that is, the unlimited, exactly you.

This sounds good, excellent, ideal. I would like to born in a society like this, in a family like this and not surrounded of crazy people. But how could you or anyone create this society? The society emerges from the drive of generations who do what they can to survive surrounded of madness, puppets of their impulses and fears

Me yes, any many others too, but some no, some only can see what they want and need and what humiliates them or elevates them. It's not about women hating culture, it's about feelings of inferiority, insecurities, envy, lack of love .

Because god is a creator. When anyone say god it means the creator of the reality, the dreamer of the dream, the big Boss

The only god that is is the absence of limits, and you are that. That god simply is, but being is everything. The form is just form, the essence is always the same, what has no bottom, what is total, you. But I wouldn't call it god.

The human nature is not the way it is because socializing or education . socializing is as it is because human nature. Not all men become misogynistic aggressors when humiliated, but some do. There are also men who enjoy humiliating other men, bullying them until they reach utter despair. There are a lot of sons of bitches out there. But if you want, we could also talk about the women. Because women are same toxic than men, but in different manifestations. Women are more like thundercat, hate disguised of education. Destruction disguised of victimhood. If you are not wise, you could be in a big mess without knowing it.

Then what supposedly is god? Because if you say that god is the reality, of course, it's impossible to refute. But when we say god we imply creator, will, omnipotence, omniscience, etc

It's totally clear, read again. Maybe the redaction not so, I should use the translator

I will do in a moment. God is the will that creates that reality right? Then god wants something specific, this. And this happen for a reason, his will that chooses this option among others. Impossible, that god would be limited, closed, an entity, finite and conditioned. Then it's not god But if that god would be really unlimited, then it wouldn't have preference, then he wouldn't choose this option, then it's not god neither

Let me be an smart ass once again, if you don't mind. He's a liar. Consciousness? Inside you there is consciousness? He says that to appear enlightened. That's a mental mess. Falsehood.

Men aren't conditioned to this; reality conditions them. Look, you're a man, and you really like a girl. You really like her, I mean, you're totally in love, your heart sings and your spirit soars. And this happens only because she's hot. Because you're an idiot, a puppet of your primal urges. So that girl doesn't look at you but she looks at someone else, your friend. Then a huge hatred and rage are born inside you. Not because someone taught you misogyny, but because you're a vile, worthless human being. This happens to you again, and you become a bitter, raving man . Men don't like to lose; they like to win. It's biology

I'm sure it would, because you're in a hostile environment. But for example, I live in Spain, and the right and the left literally hate each other. The divide is enormous. I can't imagine what this would be like in an environment like Israel