Breakingthewall

The permanent cessation of the separate self is unnecessary and a myth. It is enough to completely dissolve separation in meditation and, in daily life, perceive the transparency of separation. But separation exists; it is real. All those non-dualistic teachers who go to the forest do so because their mothers feed them. Without their mothers and their bottles, they would face the reality of life. All that would be absolutely legitimate if they would admit the reality of separation of the form and the intelligence of the reality finding the optimal possibility, but no, they affirm that everything is illusion Then we could say: there is no separate self if others who work hard feed me, since I deserve it and they are unconscious fools. Then, since nothing matters, I give lectures and write books to earn millions and be idolized. I do this work because I don't care. Ah, from now on call me "primordial peace of the morning full of spring dew". In Indian, please.

What is perfection is the fact of being, not the form from the human perspective . Both are compatible. Perfection of being, suffering of human form. Suffering is just another arising, but feels bad being human. "Feels bad" is an arising, same than any other.

Who knows, maybe it's possible understanding the ultimate reality by science. In fact seems quite possible. Think that anything that arises are logical relationship, that is mathematics. An universe would be just a possible equation that arises because nothing restrict it, coherent enough to be stable, and maybe absolutely all of possible universes must have causality and relativity to appear as a manifestation, for example, and this implies time that implies mass. Just a possibility, seems that logical mind is unstoppable in its possiblities.

Imo It's not as simple as saying you're causing your own closure. If you're a woman in Afghanistan and they sell you to an old man when you're 11 so he can lock you up at home and rape you, things get complicated. Reality is wild, nothing is guaranteed

I wasn't mistaken, just I couldn't remove the emotional and mental barriers that are inherent to human condition. The reality was the same, just existing, but if you are immersed in the emotional human density it's not easy to make everything clear enough to be able to open yourself to the unlimited nature of everything .

It's crazy how some scientist like Penrose, Einstein, feyanman, plank, bell, achieved the incredible level of understanding of this reality. But I'm not talking of that but about the basis of reality. That's obvious, the unlimited is, and you are that because everything that is is that. If the emotional and mental barriers fall, it's obvious, you realize the unlimited being it. . Then it's also obvious understanding that any possibility is just a possibility, and see the depth and the beauty in every moment.

This is the reality, not another. The perfection and beauty of the very fact of existing is absolute. The unlimited is, and this is it's manifestation. What we have to do is opening our heart and mind to the absolute fact of being and perceive it's limitlessness. Form is overwhelming and could seems dark, but it's always the absolute glory of being.

The United States has been the country that has led the world to where it is today. Its flaws and mistakes have been enormous, its miseries and hypocrisies profound, as is human nature, but its drive has been brutal and the direction it has taken has been positive. Other empires, such as the British, Ottoman, or Soviet, were far more brutal. Now the United States is slowly declining, but what it has created is not declining; it is rising with a force never before seen in human history. The United States has been the catalyst for a phase change in what it means to be human. Don't see what US has been for the human kind is being blind.

You can know and understand everything because it's very simple. You are, if you are totally open to this fact you will see that this implies everything. Then from here you understand that everything that is happening is just a possibility taking place. And that is, congratulations, you understand the reality.

Spirituality comes from Buddhism, and Buddha was a guy who believed life was flawed and that the goal was to escape it. To do so, one had to cease all attachment and desire and extinguish your candle. In short, for the Buddha, reality was flawed, but he knew how to correct it. And this is what they call the absence of ego, thinking that the reality is wrong and you are right because you don't like suffering. Zero ego, well.... All this is a mistake, real spirituality is opening yourself to your ultimate nature, not denying the human structure. The ego exist, same than suffering. They are not illusions or dreams, are the form that reality takes now. You shouldn't extinguish your candle because that candle is life, it's better make it burn free and aligned with the flow of reality.

The ego is truly just an adaptive survival mechanism. Every animal is perfectly adapted to its environment; things are clear and haven't changed in millennia. For a human, the jungle is society in constant flux and perpetual friction. The price is contraction and suffering, the benefit is accelerated evolution to unprecedented levels. Spirituality tells you: all of that is illusion, stop, do nothing, you already are everything. All the while, you are fed by those running on the wheel. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they had to survive without help; perhaps the illusion would seem real. Imo the real point is not "transcend" the ego but align the ego. Denying the ego is just evasion because the ego is not a mistake. Thinking that the ego is a mistake is going against the flow. .

Maybe that's what we are in essence, but our actual manifestation is an evolving being with a brutal, dynamic drive. maybe in the AI era, humans as we know them will no longer exist. The possibilities are enormous. Would be interesting to see it

Then why is he working hard? Im not saying that he's working to build a character, that's stupid in anyone, but any life without direction or purpose feels sterile. You can live without it if there is no choice but if you can you will expand yourself, evolve, help others to evolve, I think that's the nature of life.

Adyashanti has been working very hard as a teacher and writer. I think that human being always aims in a certain direction. Look at Buddha; he attained enlightenment and then founded a monastery, a school, his life had a purpose , a vector. Life is always evolutionary, never static.

True but psychological suffering still exist without story. Humans need human connection, purpose. Humans are collective beings. That's why nisgardatta becomes a teacher. Some love loneliness, same that there are autistic people, but this doesn't implies that they are enlightened

It depends, psychological suffering is just suffering. If they lock nisgardatta in a room of 2x1 for 3 years, would he suffer or not? Would be psychological suffering? If someone tortures his son in front him, he would suffer? The point not having psychological suffering by default, but many people haven't and they aren't enlightened

Exactly, ego can change but never disappear. The ego can cease to be an absolute, rigid structure defined by the social context and become flexible, capable of disconnecting at certain times. The individual is not defined by the gaze of others but by their inner impulse, yet remains an individual, a human being with a defined psychological structure. Denying this is the fundamental error of spirituality and creates confusion and closure.

Ego is an arising in the nature, not something alien to the nature

Even if the separation dissolves you are still a human, exactly than before. The difference is that you perceive the fact of being human as relative and death can be seen as a dissolution of this form in the ocean of being, but the human self still exist because it's a reality conditioned by evolution, not an illusion. Again, nisgardatta, ice cream or hammer?

But what happens when cigarettes are over? He didn't mind about it or he went to buy another packet? And why did he do those speeches and he received all the westerns spiritual seekers? If everything is the same, why doing such effort? Maybe he enjoyed being a diva? I don't know, seems bit contradictory don't you think so? Seriously, it's absolutely obvious that nisgardatta have a big ego who who loves feeling special. That doesn't mean that he wasn't enlightened. Reading him seems that he achieved total openess to the unlimited, but this has no relationship with the fact of being a human with preferences. Nisgardatta, choose: lemon ice cream or smashing your fingers with a heavy hammer? Then between those extremes, a world of nuances and preferences. Because he is a human. Lets stop believing bullshiters.

@James123 you seem like stressed, keep calm.

Agree, understanding is the key of freedom

For me, stupidity is the attitude of prioritizing your emotional needs over the facts. It's something that happens at some basic mental foundation, and then you build an entire edifice of stupidity upon it. You can't go back because it would mean the destruction of your entire psychological structure, and you don't dare do that. Therefore, you reinforce your stupidity and become a complete stupid . It's very common. When the stupid is old it's dramatic.

That speech is full of mistakes. He says that the person who worries, who searches, etc., is a habit, an idea you create. It's not like that; it's a social psychological structure created by evolution, and it's real. If you consider the ego false, you'll never get out of it. The point isn't to deny the self but to break its limits. Nisgardatta is still a self with preferences. He kept smoking and giving lectures. Maybe he enjoyed doing it, right? Then why trying to appear detached and special? The Enlightenment thing is simple: stay in the "I am," as he says, until "I" and "am" are one, until there is no subject and object, no awareness of being aware, but rather unlimited absolute being. Then totality opens up. After that, you don't need to say you're not human and that everything is imaginary to confuse people and appear special.

If you are open to your true nature your behavior changes because the true reality of being a human start to reveal itself little by little. You stop being something that needs to be filled, then you stop addictions and behavior born from lack and you perceive yourself as expansive reality in human form.