Breakingthewall

Agree. But the reality is that humans in freedom develop a shadow masculinity. Divine masculinity, as you said, need to be educated.

A few years ago, on an LSD trip, not that strong, like 120 ug, something I had read came to my mind, that Congolese guerrillas force 8 and 9 year old boys to torture their mother to death, like this they become psychopaths, and also can never return to their relatives, so they remain tied to the guerilla. I tried to put the idea out of my head, but it came back. He was in a hut in Africa, a happy child who loved his mother, compelled by those demons to cut his body with a knife and rip out his guts. Later in my mind i was that kid, and i was doing that. the men were terrifying, it was impossible to disobey. they were the horror of the evil of humanity that tortures itself in a sadistic and masochistic act at the same time. I started to see in my mind mountains of corpses, endless rows of families that groan impaled, lonely old people locked up in a psychiatric hospital, terrible diseases that rot the body, terror, total trauma. I saw myself helpless, unable to face the fact of being human, of the terrible suffering that it represents. I was caught in a horrible experience, a death trap. a kind of mental whirlwind that went deeper and deeper. after a few hours it began to calm me down and accept the reality of the situation. I'm an human and that's it. I was in an empty park, one weekday morning, but the afternoon arrives. then I saw something very strange: a man in his 60s was walking around talking very happily on the phone, and behind him by the hand, a girl of about 18, with cerebral palsy, limping like an automaton. She had no eyes, or they were somewhat white. They had dressed her in a sexy style. Seeing that caused me an emotional reaction and I cried as much as possible for a long time. After that I felt much better and I realized that I had gone deeper into reality, in myself, in those hours more than in a year of life

homo sapiens is a mystery and an absolutely strange being. no animal can understand concepts. With titanic efforts, the most intelligent primates have been taught to add up to 6 (if I remember correctly). A sapiens from 100,000 years ago, teleported to today as a baby, could learn quantum physics. why? There is no other mammal behind capable of learning but only up to algebra for example. It's either all or nothing. It seems that there is nothing that the human mind cannot understand. its capacity for abstraction is enormous. a complete tool. the human is capable of colonizing galaxies and the entire universe, with the necessary time for it. to modify genetics, achieve immortality, become a cyborg capable of living on jupiter. there are no limits to what the mind can do. It's possible a future with totally selfless humans God-realized, AI-powered ,immortals, exploring every corner of the cosmos.

You are right of course, I do not advocate war, i just told that it's natural in humans. but just for being devil's advocate... what is progress? Is a welfare society better? better for what? Is a long life better? is our society better than a clan from 100,000 years ago? Is there more true love between humans? more truth in the people? Better lifes? it is possible that yes, or not. it is very difficult to value it. Human are a mistery. In my opinion there is an evolution to the truth and the love, but sometimes seems the opposite

Humans are hive entities. the greatest suffering is isolation, loneliness. You can seek the truth, dissolve your ego, become infinite, but you cannot stop being human. A lot of people who have food and everything is suffering Simple, when you suffer. The suffering it's something mental. it is the non-acceptance of what is. For example, if you are crucified, every second your whole being will not accept being nailed there dying in public for days, you will strongly want to get out of that situation, but you will not be able to. this is suffering. If, on the other hand, you like boxing and you are in the middle of an exchange of powerful blows, there will be pain but no suffering.

Of course. Pain is a physical response that can or not generate suffering. the possibilities of human suffering are vast. from being locked in a box for three years to watching your children die of a degenerative disease. the human being suffers.

To be free of fear. You can't escape of suffering. when suffering comes, you will not be able to avoid it. If throughout your life you have sought comfort and have escaped from any harshness, the suffering will be very traumatic. If your attitude towards life has been one of courage and not skimping on harshness, you will face it naturally

just the opposite. The most practical thing is to look for suffering, pain, danger and difficulty, exposing yourself to life, in order to lose fear and be free.

Sure, the same any mammal, in case of need fight. but men go one step further. They seek war. the gene wants to spread and prevent other genes from spreading. any prehistoric clan is at war with any clan that is not their own. young men are warriors by default. when human organizations become more complex, this trend remains intact, only to organize armies, conquer etc. Since man existed until the Second World War, the most noble occupation is war. is an absolute constant in human behavior. Without the fabric of civilization forged over thousands of years supporting us, we'd be back to that very quickly. an interesting fact: historically there have been men focused on the divine, the priests, monks, etc. these were men of peace. they have usually imposed celibacy on themselves, renouncing their masculinity. there have also been women warriors, Vikings, Dahomey, etc. they have also imposed absolute celibacy on themselves, renouncing their femininity. men, for peace, renounce their masculinity. women renunce their femininity for war.

It's not the humanity, are the men. The women have not that fixation. When you are a child, happy and pure, what attracts you the most is playing war, war computer games, weapons. in any community, even a prehistoric clan, men are warriors. You say if you were at peace with yourself you wouldn't want war, but almost no young man is at peace with himself. it's human nature

Do you think that all the Sioux and those people were very traumatized? And those of the African tribes? and all the Persians, the Romans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Jivaros of the Amazon, the Vikings, any human group... they all loved war, except the Eskimos. there the thing was so fucked up that there was no place for those games. nothing is so passionate about man as massacre, destruction, risk. man has always sought to fulfill his destiny on the battlefield. Do you think you can force thousands of people to spend hours hacking each other to death? they do it out of passion. look at the history of the 20th century. The game changed when nukes were invented. war is no longer viable. If it were, we'd be at war. War is in our genes. many male mammalian species use head butting and such for genetic enhancement. the strongest reproduces. Human is a hive being, headbutts are collective. War has always been something mystical for men. If not, who would do that shit?

there is no difference between matter and consciousness. they are distinctions we make because we are unaware of the unreality of reality. It's all a mental construct. genes, broken bones, meditation. There's no difference. If, as you say, you want to break that limitation with all your willpower, and your genetics prevent you from doing so, you will resort to psychedelics. to realize that psychedelics are also a mental construction, just like genes, and your willpower Btw, you tell interesting histories, thanks for sharing

You don't even explain anything, and you immediately come out disqualifying. Dick contest???. If you understand something you can develop it, if you don't really understand it, you go off on a tangent, like Leo does when you ask him about solipsism. wake up you stupid piece of trash fagot!? Anyway, thanks for the conversation

science tries to understand the finite, it has nothing to do with the infinite. science is within the finite, it is a creation within this experience that takes shape in the infinite. it is appearance. The absolute infinity can't be touched by science because science is a creation of the absolute infinity

what you are saying is that someone, through meditation, induces himself into a state like propofol anesthesia. perfectly possible, why not? but does this mean anything? the experience that occurs is, shall we say, imagined. Within that experience is propofol anesthesia, deep sleep, and also cessation of meditation, which are basically just a time jump. what does this mean? Nothing. an achievement achieved with practice, like doing a double somersault. It is inside the dream, inside the apparently finite.

That is the cessation of the ego. Of course that this is real. But this is not the cessation that the op or bipolargrowth are talking about. They are talking about the cessation of the conciousness. This is impossible, if it were the case, it's just non existence.

The reality is the absolute infinity, and nothing else could be.

Man, don't be a clown, please. We are talking in a forum about the cessation. Obviously the only approach is intellectual . Cessation is a word. What that word means? I think it doesn't mean nothing, just an invention of people who meditate a lot to make themselves interesting and special. never lose sight of this fact: in spirituality there are many pretentious idiots trying to compensate for a wounded ego.

@roopepa you Re talking about the ego cessation , that of course is real. The op is talking about the cessation of the conciousness, that is a strange concept. If it's the case, is the non existence. The non existence doesn't exist, because otherwise it were existence, etc...so , what is the cessation? @BipolarGrowth talk about it but he doesn't explain what is it.

@roopepa that's not the cessation they're talking about here imo

the true masculine is castrated, since what the true masculine loves most is war, destruction and death. the feminine is realized by giving life, the masculine by killing. That's demanded by the gods, aka, the genes.

So? That's nothing, just an idea. existence is conciousness, if there is no consciousness there is no existence, therefore cessation does not exist What do you mean? Ok that "of" but awareness is the case, so define cessation

they really say that they are god, only few understand it. They say that God is infinite. If something is infinite, there is nothing outside of it, therefore, you are part of God. if you are part of the infinite, you are the complete infinite, since in the infinite the part equals the whole. When Jesus says that the kingdom of heaven is within each one, he is clearly manifesting it. all Christian mystics understood this. don't expect someone who has adopted religion as dogma to understand this, or anything else. This type of people is not oriented towards understanding but towards other things, and it does not have to be otherwise. some of them are integrous and have quite intuitive understanding

What do you exactly mean with that? Could you describe?

incomprehensible. if it were the total cessation of consciousness, you would not be aware of it. It would be like an anesthesia with propofol, a time jump. I have experienced absolute emptiness with psychedelics, without me, without sensory information, without god, nothing. empty. but i was aware of it, since otherwise, i would not be describing it. So what are these people talking about?