Breakingthewall

Conceptual understanding is finite, can't catch the reality, it's an obstacle. The other understanding, the openess, is a mistery. Is that we are trying to be , the pure conciousness

Well you are right , it's not sure. I had a powerful realization, I did 5 meo and nothingness, etc, but when me and the reality was constructing again I had the absolute certainly that all that happened in my life, even the smaller detail, was intentional. All was exactly like it has to be, and I see how simple is take the pleasant things that life offers me and forget the others. There was nothing to regret, no past to visit. All was for some reason, but no reason that is comprehendible. Now I ve not that realization so clear , but I still remember the content. At the end, realizations are the only that we could trust

It's like that chapter in Bible that said: look the birds, they don't worry about the food etc. You can't interfere in the willing of the conciousness, if you do all is going wrong, you must flow, if business are for you , they re going to work, if couple isn't for you it's going to be a hell. It's much better to see the signals , every one. There are a lot always, and flow with them. For me it's obvious and work like a machine, go down river, much more comfortable

That is not so, you can call it a dream and think that there are no others but each molecule of your body has a plan, an intention. If an enlightened person teaches others it is because it is what he has to do, the same as another having children or being an alcoholic.

Well...try and after you could have opinion. Have it before to try is not the most wise I think. Looks that you really want to demonstrate yourself and to others that psychedelic are a foolish. They aren't. If you don't want to try, I think you should let the door open to the possibility that they are that that people is talking about, maybe more

@tsuki what are you talking about? Humiliating because I'm not buda? Maybe we are speaking in a different language or my English is too poor. I wanted to express the idea that glorify Buda is nonsense, Buda is common, possible, not so special. It's only detach the bondages and trascend the ego. But I'm not Buda, not even close

@Origins your skepticism is positive. We should not believe anything or dogmatize. The problem is that we are not talking about building airplanes, but about something that cannot be objectively demonstrated, or even rationalized. intelligence and reason are essential to avoid being deceived, but at a moment you have to let them go. the good news is that there is a tool for that: psychedelics. once you break the armor of reason you can judge whether what you have experienced is drug-induced fantasy, or reality. once you open up to this, you see that many things that are said around here make sense, so when you read ideas that you have not experienced you give them some credibility. all this for the only thing that serves is to prepare your mind for a greater openness

Buda is only an idea, there ve been many thousands of budas, many millons since the human kind exist, glorify him like he was immensely valuable for the people around is meaningless. Buda mean trascend the ego, have no attachment. Nothing so special

I met a guy who had been traveling for 10 years without money around the world. I met him in canary islands , he was in a boat of some people who met there few days ago ready to cross to Dakar, his plans was go alone from West to East Africa, and after return to his house in France, all walking or auto stop. He had only 300 € , no phone and no cards, he told me he was looking forward when he d have zero money, to feel more freedom. I didn't asked him about spirituality because in that moment I didn't know that spirituality exist, but sure he was like enlightened , he was the most calm and peaceful person that I ever know

The world is only a dream is a recurring mistical experience, when you realize the nothingness you perceive that the reality, or "maya" like is sayed in the ancient traditions, is being created in this exactly moment, and have not real substance, like a dream. Of course "dream" or "real" are just concepts, what is, is. Spirituality could be reduced to: forget all and get the direct experience. But always when the ego come back , have the need of explaining what was perceived. And it's not "flower power" at all

Yes, it is increasingly easier to detect the ego, especially since the ego is basically everything you think about, right now the ego is writing. a while ago I was walking in the street, the light was clean, the plants around bright, everything as new, seen for the first time, without ideas or words, there is no me, only what I see, perfect, without emotions ... but where is that god that everyone talks about? better not think about it because it is ego. gita is ego, everything is. It is very difficult to block the mind, it is waiting for an oversight to enter and take you through its paths of emotions, of personal history

@Moksha one thing is to trascend ego, it don't seems impossible to me once you ve done for small periods of time and you have identified the ego. but did you realize God, the infinity? I'm curious because I know you never used psychedelics

You must to leave the reason away during the spiritual work to trascend the mind level. You are in love of the mind, that at the end is the ego. It's a way without exit

@Cosmin_Visan one conciousness, many, no time, etc doesn't matter. The only valid thing is the direct experience. All those concepts are tools to help to open the mind, transcend the ego and see the truth, that can't be explained, only perceived. If you have better ideas or concepts for that, are welcome

Time exist if something is happening or changing, if you are immutable there is no time, it's always the same moment

escaping from suffering, having a more pleasant life, is usually the first motivation of a spiritual search, since at first that of the "truth" does not mean much, at least for me, but now I see that it is very possible that it exists. I'm still working with 5 meo, for me there is still a barrier: nothing. my ego dissolves 99%, I am no longer there, there is nothing, empty. but my 1% is still holding on, I perceive a resistance, something that does not want to die totally. with lower doses I have realizations of love, the illusion of the ego and more, but when I raise the dose, only emptiness. It no longer scares me as before but I perceive a resistance, and that after that resistance is death. beyond the void. Now my motivation is to get there, to the" truth". I wonder how someone can get to that without the help of psychedelics. it seems impossible to me even arrive closer

Objectively and scientifically it can be said that for you it is imaginary, you are imagining it. all you see or perceive are images created by your mind, the world you think you live in is formed by your memory, what you read is being created by your mind right now. take away your senses and your memory, and reality will disappear, only you will remains

@Moksha true and Hallelujah. The mind can't catch the reality. Nothing or real are mind concepts, useless, even worse than useless, an obstacle

Beyond love, the conciousness, in the bottom, you are absolute nothing, so nothing is you. So nothing is. And from this "is" appear the conciousness, the love, and all that exist. I think that surrender is embrace be nothing, release all, humbly

my biggest self-deception was to betray myself in exchange for "success", to stop being me and live in the fight, to lose myself to the point of not even remembering who I was, without realizing that without love there is only an empty shadow.

discovered this forum 2 or 3 months ago, a little after of discovering the 5 meo. Before that I never thought about spirituality ... how strange. I am very happy to be able to read the thoughts of such intelligent and unlimited people. it's an oasis in the desert

the others are real at the same level that you are real. solipism is nonsense, we should talk about nobodyism

The universe is consistent, it is governed by mathematical laws and observing life it would be said that for God it is not an easy job to create it, millions of lifeless planets, the miraculous creation of carbon, bacteria, it seems that nothing else comes from there a few thousands million years, little by little some more complex beings, based on evolution the thing is getting interesting, some mass extinction involved, millions of symbiotic viruses with DNA, in the end a being aware of himself and the universe ...how much work! More than a labor of love, it seems the work of a team of engineers who avidly seek ... something

I follow the opposite way, first the awakenings, or realization, idk how to define, induced by psychedelic, and after that I realized about the importance of meditation, to try to be concious not only a single moment

I had the same thought meditating half an hour ago. I think there are many...like anchors, that anchor me to the ego world. Like if I stop thinking I'm going to get lost , and thinking the mind do like a control of the situation, all time creating like an artificial environment with all the memories, the ideas, etc. It exist like a hard resistance to let those anchors go