Breakingthewall

Real is an idea that happens in the self. The self exist, period. Nothing else. Any adjective is a closure

It's not an illusion, it's a reality. The self is all the system that creates differentiation. Without the self wouldn't be experience, everything would be the same. The point is not being focused in the differences but in the substance, but always from the self.

@OBEler for example , you said before that you are in a moment of suffering due a break. That's inevitable right? According Ralston, how could anyone stop suffering in such situation? Or if your son dies, etc. From what I watched I guess that he would say that you should contemplate who is suffering, where is the subject that is suffering, then in some point you will realize that it's not such center or self, it's an illusion, then suffering dissolves. The problem for me is the same than Buddhism. Who is doing that contemplation is the self itself, and realizing that it doesn't exist is a contradiction. The only way to dissolve the self as a center that receive the experience is not dissolving it, it's open yourself to the absolute. The self do an action, it open itself. Then the absolute fact of being takes the protagonism, and the self lose its charge in great extent. Differentiations blur because all are the same: being. But what you can't do is removing the self from the self without any substance or support that sustain the structure of your psyche. It's impossible, your psyche would grab anything, and that anything would be the history of yourself, the contrast good /bad, the ego.

Buddhism is very coherent. The problem for me is that it's focused on subtraction, on letting go of attachment and desire in order to reach the emptiness of the mind, which is enlightenment. As I see it, the path is openness, and it is openness that results in detachment, not the other way around. And what Buddhism calls sunyata, or essential emptiness, I see as the total fullness of what is. If you are open to the absolute fact of being, your mind empties of content, and desire ceases, since in absolute being there is everything; there is nothing you can desire that you don't already have. This, of course, lasts for a while, during which you intentionally focus on the absolute. Afterward, you have to continue living, and this requires thousands of desires and actions, and a very deep understanding of all relationships. Another mistake in my opinion is calling the self illusion. This is categorizing something as illusion from what you are calling illusion, because it's the self who affirm that the self is illusory. It's a mental mess that leads to confusion. Another mess is affirming that there is reincarnation, this is a religious belief that is quite contradictory. If the self is illusion, who reincarnates?

I just want to talk about his paradigm, just to go deep in what is suffering and what is a self. Also about Buddhist paradigm. It's very interesting but you can see some contradictions.

Let's analyze your emoticons. what they mean? Your feeling of happiness by feeling (wrongly) superior?

Who understands him? He's contradictory from the videos I watched. Then, how could you dissolve the self according to Ralston? According to him You suffer because you are identifícate with an idea of yourself that you create by social interaction, and that's an illusion. Where is the difference with traditional Buddhism, Eckhart Tolle or many others? Imo the mistake is that the conceptual idea of yourself in the social interaction is real. It's genetically uncoded and it's the drive that build societies, empires, civilization. It's not the same than direct pain of the body but it's real in its level. You can die due those ideas.

@Natasha Tori Maru I watched many videos, I can't read books about spirituality because in the moment that I read anything that I see as a mistake, I'm done. Anyway, it's easy to transmit it's paradigm. If you want I could tell mine, then anyone can point my mistakes.

@Natasha Tori Maru Sorry for being such monster, I can't avoid. Anyway, then Ralston paradigm about suffering?

Just understanding relativity theory as deep as I can. Not so simple as it seems.

You could try to explain. I think it's more or less clear what the self is. It's the "me" vs what's not me. The I that can be damaged and must be protected. That includes body and self image . What Ralston and others says that is illusory is the self image, the social self. But the social self is uncoded by evolution, it's the position of the individual in the group. Monkeys also have it, but not conceptual. This social self is seen as a timeline, and generates suffering. The point of everyone is stop this suffering. So for Ralston the key is dissolving this self. I know this topic very good by direct experience, then I like to contrast, nothing else.

It's not talking down, it's analyzing. Read what I wrote and answer if I'm wrong. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, it's analysis. He's not a religious figure, is someone who exposes a thesis about the mind and can be analyzed without generating rage.

Because he writes about how stop suffering, and that's what people wants. Same than Buddha

Than that's the Buddhist paradigm . Life is dukka, because you are identified with an illusion, then you stop that identification and you are enlightened in nirvana and suffering disappear. The problem with this idea is that the self is real and you are not identified with it, you are it, an expression of reality in the form of a self. You dont suffer by a mistake of identification, you suffer by biological imperative. Buddha says: detach yourself from the illusion and you will be enlightened. In my so humble opinion, mistake. The real deal would be: open yourself to the absolute, then the self, that's real, will recalibrate itself seeing itself as real but relative. You will still suffering, but relatively, always with a backstage of the openess to the absolute fact of being that is total and it's what you ultimately are

If instead of the wind they blow on you with a blowtorch, then you'll see where the self is. It will be very obvious; the absolute desire to get away from the blowtorch will be the self. Where is it? you might ask. Everywhere; there is only that desire. Without self if wouldn't be differentiation, without minimum differentiation if wouldn't be experience. The self is the software that reality creates that perceive those differences. It's as illusory as the feeling of the flame of the blowtorch in your face.

Because suffering impulse survival and evolution in complex alive beings. Makes you move far from it. For example inventing vaccines to don't get painful diseases that kills you and all your family

Well let's see if anyone can explain what is unnecessary suffering according Ralston

Imagine an infinite flow of possibilities, of relative changes of state, in which one state is sustained by contrast with its opposite. Nothing is defined except in relation to another contrasting state. In this flow, only what organizes itself into coherent patterns endures, remains stable, because what does not disappear instantly, doesn't even appear, doesn't exist. To be manifested existence implies relationship. Then, this unlimited flow of potential possibilities will automatically self-organize into patterns of absolute complexity and synchronicity, without option B. That is absolute intelligence.

Yes and some are autistic and if you torture his son in front of them they won't feel anything but they will scream if you ring a bell, then that is how that system works.

Intellgence is a statistical result. Among infinite possible relationships, the most coherent ones endure and create complex patterns. The same is true of the catalysis of these patterns, which leads to replicating evolutionary systems, and that is equivalent to will. Will is focused chance. Intelligence is selection of coherence by the fact of being coherent

Relative. From an absolute perspective what is, is. Everything is perfect because being is everything. But from an evolutive perspective good and bad are totally defined. And a human is an evolutive being that wants the good and avoid the bad

I never said that. Coherent doesn't mean a plan, means just that what's not coherent can't appear because appearing are relative and relationship are coherent by definition. There can't be a plan, why would do one? For what purpose? It would be already accomplished infinite times, it would be an absolute limit. Can be plans in a local level but from an absolute perspective there are no differences, existence exist, that's it. Reality flows and possibilities happen when are possible. That's the infinite intelligence.

Who or what is suffering is you as a system that reacts with suffering to that fact. Same than you as a sistem reacts with suffering to the fact of being burned, but don't do to the fact of drinking water. It's the construction that evolution creates. For example, maybe Ralston would say that if your son is tortured in front of your it's natural to suffer. Even next day is also natural, but 10 years later it's unnecessary suffering. Then where is the limit? 3 months? What I meant is that this paradigm is not logical, it's just an opinion of Ralston.

Then explain it 😭

Then if the doctor tell you that your son has cancer, if you suffer it's unnecessary because there is no pain? Seems denial of human nature. Where is the line between necessary and unnecessary suffering?