Breakingthewall

Because suffering impulse survival and evolution in complex alive beings. Makes you move far from it. For example inventing vaccines to don't get painful diseases that kills you and all your family

Well let's see if anyone can explain what is unnecessary suffering according Ralston

Imagine an infinite flow of possibilities, of relative changes of state, in which one state is sustained by contrast with its opposite. Nothing is defined except in relation to another contrasting state. In this flow, only what organizes itself into coherent patterns endures, remains stable, because what does not disappear instantly, doesn't even appear, doesn't exist. To be manifested existence implies relationship. Then, this unlimited flow of potential possibilities will automatically self-organize into patterns of absolute complexity and synchronicity, without option B. That is absolute intelligence.

Yes and some are autistic and if you torture his son in front of them they won't feel anything but they will scream if you ring a bell, then that is how that system works.

Intellgence is a statistical result. Among infinite possible relationships, the most coherent ones endure and create complex patterns. The same is true of the catalysis of these patterns, which leads to replicating evolutionary systems, and that is equivalent to will. Will is focused chance. Intelligence is selection of coherence by the fact of being coherent

Relative. From an absolute perspective what is, is. Everything is perfect because being is everything. But from an evolutive perspective good and bad are totally defined. And a human is an evolutive being that wants the good and avoid the bad

I never said that. Coherent doesn't mean a plan, means just that what's not coherent can't appear because appearing are relative and relationship are coherent by definition. There can't be a plan, why would do one? For what purpose? It would be already accomplished infinite times, it would be an absolute limit. Can be plans in a local level but from an absolute perspective there are no differences, existence exist, that's it. Reality flows and possibilities happen when are possible. That's the infinite intelligence.

Who or what is suffering is you as a system that reacts with suffering to that fact. Same than you as a sistem reacts with suffering to the fact of being burned, but don't do to the fact of drinking water. It's the construction that evolution creates. For example, maybe Ralston would say that if your son is tortured in front of your it's natural to suffer. Even next day is also natural, but 10 years later it's unnecessary suffering. Then where is the limit? 3 months? What I meant is that this paradigm is not logical, it's just an opinion of Ralston.

Then explain it 😭

Then if the doctor tell you that your son has cancer, if you suffer it's unnecessary because there is no pain? Seems denial of human nature. Where is the line between necessary and unnecessary suffering?

Yeah sorry I was generalizing thinking in how we humans are today I think that in any specific case of loss, suffering is inevitable. The key is to accept the situation as soon as possible and restructure your reality based on your new circumstances. If your operating system functions from within, let's say in emitter mode, this is much easier than if it functions by drawing its energy from the outside, in receiver mode, completely dependent on the environment. There is always some level of dependence; the question is which one predominates.

In my opinion, there's no universal formula, since suffering doesn't stem from a conceptual error but from a chronic misalignment between your psyche and external reality. Spirituality will tell you that external reality is illusory, that you are everything, but if for years you've yielded to micro-humiliations, chosen paths that didn't align with your natural values. values you weren't even aware of because you'd adopted others' values, surrendering your sovereignty, driven by your need to be reflected in society as valid. if, ultimately, you've prostituted yourself year after year in exchange for approval, you won't stop suffering without becoming a taliban defender of your own values and waging a small (or perhaps not so small) war to rebalance your life. This is a process parallel to the shift from being sustained by the social psyche to being sustained simply by the absolute fact of being .

Meditation and contemplation, to understand what is exactly his paradigm about suffering and how we are creating it, also a a page would be interesting

Could you put an example?

How did you realize? How are you creating it? Why do you create suffering if your girlfriend have sex with your brother but you don't do if you drink a glass of water?

Really? That's good to know that someone understand my point. In this matter nothing is proved, everything are subjetive impressions. What I see is that absolutely all spirituality is wrong due a couple of concrete mistakes. And of course, according to my vision I'm absolutely right without deviation 😅.

The flow of thought is not the obstacle, but rather the mechanism of psychological equilibrium when the psyche is fully oriented toward the social matrix. This is based on extremely powerful biological mechanisms, such as the absolute need for belonging and acceptance by the collective, which emerges with enormous force in adolescence. It is a mechanism that creates civilizations and allows men to do things like the Battle of the Somme. It is not eliminated by looking at the gaps between thoughts. The process is different, you have to contemplate the absolute void of existence hour by our, day by day. Then meditate in the pure I am, absolutely empty of content. Then in some moment, the absolute opens up. The void is full, it is. It's a total change of phase of being.

Ralston makes a fundamental error, as does Tolle. For him, there is something in your mind called pure, unlimited consciousness, but you don't have access to it because you are constantly generating thoughts. If you learn to let go of those thoughts or stop identifying with them, you can access that state of consciousness. The reality is different. Your mind, your thoughts, everything, is existence being; your mind doesn't contain that, it is that. The act of constantly generating thoughts doesn't close you off; rather, the fact of being closed by default to the absolute being forces the psyche to create a foundation by weaving a structure of constant mental flow, in order not to collapse. The psyche cannot stop doing this; perhaps Ralston's and Tolle's can, due to their peculiarities, because they are open to the nature of being. But if you are not open, you won't achieve this by ceasing to think or identifying; rather, ceasing to need a foundation of mental flow will be a consequence of permanent openness to the nature of being.

Why you suffer less now, where is the difference? If you can explain

But how could be the reality without any form? Anyway, right now the body exist, so the point is getting open to what is now. As I see it there are a lot of preferences uncoded and it's impossible to avoid them, for example physical pain, need of human communication, etc, but under everything it's always the absolute fact of being. if you are open to it life still has pain but it's relative, you can access to your unlimited nature easily and that's fullness. The point is being able to dissolve the self totally for a moment. If you do it it's not wonderful, love, freedom or anything because those are appreciations of the self, it's absolute being, the total fact of existing. Anything else are appreciations that happens in this fact, the absolute being is not thinkable because thoughts are an expression of it. If you manage to totally dissolve the self sometimes, then everything take the quality of the absolute being even you are operating in the self, as it's inevitable

I think that the point is not being aware of the ego, but open yourself to the absolute fact of being, then the ego recalibrates itself and the suffering decreases greatly. Neurosis happens when your only ground is the psyche itself. Then it creates constantly a mental ground to maintain balance, and this constant flow is anxiety by default. Being open to the unlimited is not a ground, its being sustained by the fact of being. It could sounds simple but it isn't because psyche by default is oriented to be grounded by the tribe, collective, religion. By meaning and the idea of something bigger. Humans are hive being, then when the hive is not anymore a solid structure the psyche builds the structure. If its suffering, that's better than nothing.

Supposedly, what 5-MeO aims to achieve is the dissolution of all your psychological structures, leaving you with the life you are without structure. This is perceived as total glory, an absolute power that explodes and is your true nature. It's simply the act of existing without all the intricate valorative systems that are inevitable as a human being. The idea is to understand how and why you disconnect from that essential reality. 5-MeO helps with this. True, total openness is achieved without 5-MeO; it's sober because 5-MeO always introduces a hallucinogenic component, a "high," confusion. It's violent; it demolishes structures through brute force. What I mean is In meditation, you reach a point where there is only the fact of "I am." You forget about the body and everything else; it becomes deactivated. There is only the raw "I am," without anything else. Then comes the difficult step. Let's see, you reach that point by will; you still know you are meditating, but in the background. Then, from that background, you focus on the feeling of centeredness, of the "I" that receives the "am." The "I" that is the receiver of the experience. Then sometimes, if you manage to hold that state for a while and your psychological structure allows it, the center disappears. For a few moments, perhaps 10 seconds, reality opens up completely. Here there is no "I am," there is no structure, you are not aware of anything, well you are but you don't feel that you are aware, it's total, unlimited reality is, period. The first time this happens, it feels like your brain is being fried with electricity. Reality is dazzling white.(This is just by the stress of the change of frequency id say, nothing like "mystical"). Your heart and mind open completely; you are one with the absolute; you are the absolute. A fluctuation then occurs, and you return to your normal state, but what has been revealed remains partially perceptible. A few seconds like this, even a single second, change your operating system. It's as if you've been fueled by dead energy and are now in contact with what lives (it's a metaphor, what happens is that you was closed in the mental loop that creates a ground full time because you needed it). What lives is indescribable; it is living reality, the totality of being. It is not someone, an entity that wants something, but it is still everything, and your operating system automatically creates the imperative to align yourself completely with that totality. You are no longer an individual in need seeking things to satisfy you; you are a manifestation of the totality trying to align itself to the fullest extent. more like a soldier with a mission than a seeker of satisfaction (too epic, better a mind re calibrating itself). Total satisfaction lies in being what you are. If this happens but time pass, you start forgetting, it blurs. In some point you are closed to what is. You have to do again and again, and it's not easy, there are many barriers, your psyche is the barrier, it has to change, and changes are slow. In some moment you reach a point where the closure is low, easy to open. Then you don't try anymore to achieve total openess, it's enough with the life that transparents in everything, you don't need more mystical stuff, reality is mystical enough, this is the real thing, the absolute is exactly here and now.

Maybe that's real, nobody know the structure of reality, maybe it's much deeper that it seems.

Human reality is existence expressing itself, it can't be separate, but human mind gets very focused in belonging, in the social matrix, because that's the way that life found to grow in complexity, its just the flow of reality. The absolute is the fact of being, it's impossible being separate of it, what's possible is not perceiving it because our sight is totally oriented to the structure due our genetical emotional structure But the relative is the absolute happening. It's very obvious, they are not different, are exactly the same. The point is making a change let say phase of being. You are not anymore part of the society you are an expression of the reality. Not as an idea but totally direct perception full time. You see yourself all time as the existence happening, then you also see anything else as the reality happening, there is no form vs absolute, it's the absolute in its flow always

Alive and direct, open, full and beautiful, fluid, in comparison with a mental state of lack where you are pointing to yourself full time what is lack, what shouldn't happen, how should be everything. If you are closed to your nature it's inevitable doing it because the mind needs a ground because it's isolated, disconnected, then it creates that ground pointing all time what is lack. It's an strategy to get balanced. Spirituality will tell you: stop doing it, it's a mistake, ego, reality is perfect, accept it. That's impossible. The self needs to be open to it's source to stop it, if not it will do this activity because it needs it.