Breakingthewall

The point is that being unlimited means having no center or boundaries. This means that any will or intelligence is something that emerges in the Absolute, not the Absolute itself. Seems unimportant but it's essential. Your question is: if the unlimited cannot desire, would that be a limit? The answer is that any desire is local, not absolute. A desire is limited by definition. If you want to create a mental framework that makes openness to the Absolute possible, you have to understand that the Absolute cannot have any quality except being unlimited. The moment you say, "The Absolute creates reality out of love," you have introduced limits in every direction. The formulation that doesn't limit would be: Form arises as an inevitable expression of the Absolute because there is nothing to limit it. And any will is a form.

Sure, what we are is an energetic pattern developing and constantly changing, and that change can take different directions. But if we're talking about enlightenment, the point is to dilute the density enough to realize our essential nature. This nature is total openness, and to open yourself to it, we have to be free of any identification. The slightest thing closes you off. Opening yourself to the totality for a moment allows a progressive restructuring of our structure, which little by little becomes more transparent. The problem is that if you get stuck in a trap like identifying with being consciousness or whatever, it happens like a river dam. There's an expansion, but of your ego.

Thanks for appreciating. The problem isn't just that they express their ideas as dogma; it's that if you try to have an in-depth conversation about the points they present, they either get angry or do what James does when he's at a dead end: turn the conversation around and say, "You're suffering a lot, brother, I love you. Let go of all that mental mess and be free ❤️." Let's see, I present ideas like: "Form is created by coherent, interwoven patterns." You might reply: "That's impossible because where does the first pattern come from?" Perfect! That's exactly what I want; challenge my vision so I can develop it and see where it fails. But nobody's going to do that; they're just going to get angry, lie, and try to appear "more"

It's very simple, you are not god in the sense that is not a creator or a center. If it were, it would be limited. It's so obvious that seem weird that people don't see it. The main difficulty in spirituality is dissolving the center, then people take psychedelic and expand their ego. God as creator is ego expansion. You are "God" in the sense that you are the unlimited appearing as a form, but the unlimited doesn't "wants". Contemplate it , it's absolutely simple and obvious. If the absolute wants, it would be relative. The absolute is total, and you, the human, are a possibility that appears because the coherence with the totality of the form . Seems a small difference, but it's the difference between the chain and the freedom

@Ishanga Anyone can say whatever they want if it comes from a place of honesty, but if it stems from a need to appear "more", it's exhausting. Most people involved in spirituality are driven by narcissism, which is why it's such a complicated issue. I speak about this because, for me, it's a way to refine my understanding. It's an exercise in comprehension. It's essential to achieve a conceptual framework free of inconsistencies that lead to closure; not everything is about energy practice, there's also mental practice. It's essential, and it's not formulated. No spiritual tradition explain clearly this matter, and it's possible to do it.

You could be enlightened, drug addict, rapist, anything, then we can talk about it, but if you tell me when I question any statement to have a real conversation: lovely brotha, you are on deep sleep because love is everything and I'm before birth because love is so lovely 😍 😍 😍 😍, I love you so much, I hope you stop your deep suffering, then if I have not a punching bag close to hit it during at least 3 hours, maybe I can't avoid some stupid responses. I try to avoid, really, but sometimes I fail. The solution is don't talk with narcissist, but almost everyone who's in spirituality are

It's not the stuff, are the lies, but anyway, it's normal, it's spirituality. 99,9 , or maybe 100% is narcissism. Spirituality is a scam, it's becoming the new religion.

It's not so simple. There always remains the observer, the witness to the experience. Even with high doses of psychedelics, it's still there. This observer creates a complete fracture, a duality. It's extremely difficult for it to fall. It seems to fall, then people say it's pure consciousness. Consciousness being conscious of something? Of something else? Always the fracture. God dreaming. Dreaming something? Illusion vs. reality, ego vs. non-dual consciousness. Fractures.

@James123 anyway , sorry for getting triggered like always. Same than before birth and deep sleep brother 😅

The most likely, if not almost certain, thing that happens when you die is reincarnation. But it's not you who is reincarnated; rather, a similar, related structural pattern emerges, building upon the previous one. There is no soul that changes incarnation, but rather a structure that emerges based on another. The point is that you are not you; you are the total unfathomable, not an individual nor an entity. So, when you die, another framework of possibilities simply begins.

All of that is coherent and inevitable possibility of reality, but it is not reality itself. Brahman, Shiva, Kali, it's best to forget all of that. Enlightenment is absolute openness, nothing more than that. Anything "more" is a possibility that can manifest. It is content. Enlightenment is structural; it is not religious, divine, or sacred. The sacred and divine are possibilities that your human consciousness perceives. What reality is is openness. It's very important to understand that. Let's see if I can explain properly. I'm sure that what I'm talking about, this topic is extremely twisted, very difficult.

Man please, Im talking seriously about enlightenment. I know that for you it's very important to be popular. Well, as I know that I don't know why I'm talking to you. Just a waste of energy. Stop being a clown, you are a man right? Act like a man.

There is not an hallucination or a dream, is the form that reality is taking now. Any form ultimately is the unlimited, spiritual work means open yourself to it, it's a very concrete energetic movement, extremely simple, and extremely difficult

None of that has any relation to enlightenment. Zero. Enlightenment is the breaking of the center and total openness. It is that and only that. It cannot be described except negatively: absence of limits. It is impossible to think of.

The point is not what appears, what's true , etc, it's dissolving the limits, let the center fall. It's not easy, it's a big energetic shift.

Mm What is your intention? Be honest maybe?

There you are creating a limit between you and what appears. Being the observer is a limit, it's the center. The limit that is more difficult to break, the most counterintuitive. Everything could appear empty, mind without thought, absolute stillness, but the center is still there. The center must fall, there is the real thing. Infinite, finite, illusion, truth, all that are just limits. When the limits fall, the openess is total. Very difficult, the last frontier.

Deep sleep is one facet of reality, and being awake is another, don't you think? Defining reality as deep sleep versus being awake sounds, let's say, Incomprehensible, to say the least. What you do all the time is define reality based on ideas that exclude everything that has form, labeling it as false, and the truth is deep sleep because that's what existed before birth. Do you understand how those ideas sound? Try this mental frame: Reality is limitless. Our current state is limited. Limits are energetic and mental (for example, believing that deep sleep is real and being awake is false). Spiritual work is about dissolving limits until only total openness remains. Simple, right? Without all that mess about deep sleep.

I understand that but for me there is a duality between you and the things that appears. For me that's the duality that must be broken. In my opinion, the self is the human self in a different vibration. It's very difficult open that door. Just an opinion, you never know ,it's difficult to understand some expressions. For me the absolute is openess, not anything else, it's the absence of limitations, and the self, consciousness, experience, are manifestations. It's extremely difficult for me breaking the self. It's like an energetic barrier that feels like a center. There is not attachment to the thoughts, empty mind, but still a center. When that center is broken, the absolute manifest itself. The total openess. Just sometimes, it's a shift that requires a restructuration of the energy pattern that I am

The moment in deep sleep is absence of anything, but later it's presence. Both are possibilities, why the nothingness is more real than the presence? Are you now in deep sleep? Then, why it's real according to you?

Believing that consciousness is the absolute occurs through identification with human experience. It's a limit. In your vision, you are the observer, the center of the thoughts, like a receptor who receive the experience. That's a center, and a center is a limit. It prevents the real openess.

Then the stillness is true and the movement is false. What is real is the existence, the thought itself. The interpretation is also real, as an interpretation, it's just an energetic flow. . The absolute is absolute. Consciousness is relative.

It's not that what I think is real, it's that thought itself is the reality. There's no difference between thought and direct experience; they are the same. Thought is a relational structure that reality is currently adopting. There is no separation between the self and thought; thought creates the self. The self is not a receiver of thought; it is the center that emerges when thoughts happen The awareness is made by the mental activity, if the mind ceases, for example in anesthesia, awareness cease. That of pure awareness is just a spiritual idea , religion

@AION For me, something very simple works. You sit in silence with the intention of being like that for half an hour or 40 min. At the beginning, you recite a mantra that erases all thought. This mantra is: nothing means anything. You repeat that for about 5 or 10 minutes, internalizing it. Meditation is being without interpretation, without contrasting opposites or defining states. It's the dissolution of the layer that assigns meaning so that your mind can open. Opening means that the limits that close you off fall away, and these limits are made of meaning. They are deeper than they seem, and they have a great energetic charge, but eventually they fall. Once they fall away, your mind expands, but you must resist the temptation to assign meaning. Meditation = no meaning. If you manage to go without assigning meaning for a while, you'll realize that your thoughts, effortlessly, have stopped. There is no thought, only the flow of what is, without structure. The goal is to live like this by default. You'll realize that many of the energetic barriers that trap you are fixed in the body: in your posture, constant muscle tension, state of alertness. You perceive this when you stop interpreting; then you can allow your body to release those tensions and your energetic system to open up.

The absolute does nothing and chooses nothing, since to do so would be relative. What emerges is always a manifestation of the absolute because the absolute, as its name indicates, is unlimited. Any form or limit is logical by definition, since it exists. Nothing that is not logical can exist; it is absolutely impossible. Even the most random relationship follows a logic, since it is a relationship The Absolute is not an entity that creates forms, for if it were, it would be a relative creator. The Absolute is the totality in which apparent limits emerge and relationships occur. The Absolute is absolutely immutable, for what it is is limitlessness. It is exactly that: unbounded. Any creation, intention, will, intelligence, character, is a limit that occurs within the Absolute. The Absolute is simply total and is absolutely terrifying to the mind because there is nothing to hold onto; it is total dissolution, yet within it, everything exists. If you want to live, die. But truly die, not by clinging to a god who loves and plays.