Breakingthewall

You are talking about concepts that are not in your level, but if you want I can explain you how it works. But as you wont listen I'm lazy to do. Just in short: humans didn't invent maths, they discovered mathematics. Mathematics are the language of reality because are the language of relations Yes, anything that you can't understand is the devil. Bad ego evil false. Repeat with me: self doesn't exist , I'm enlightened. If you repeat this enough times, like 1 million, you become enlightened. Could you contemplate the possibility, just the possibility, that you can't understand some ideas ? No, because you are defensive, like a fundamentalist. Anyway, I'm going to try to communicate in your language: self doesn't exist. Self doesn't exist. Self doesn't exist? Self doesn't exist!

No, you don't understand. I don't judge those masters by its authority but by its message. I see truth in some, and lies in others. You trust them because they look spiritual. that's ok, it's your way. Btw, the science knows exactly where the self is, it's a process crated in the brain by interconnections of many areas, over all the frontal lobe but others. It's easy to prove. If you want to talk as you know something you should research a bit, instead to repeat those simplicities

The first step is to empty the mind completely until reaching a point where only the fact of being remains. You are reality becoming aware that it is. Like a mirror reflecting another mirror. At that moment, you are not a person looking at reality; you are the property of reality of looking at itself, of becoming conscious of itself. Any other “I am,” stripped of everything else, is this same “I am.” There is no other. It is the same in different coordinates. You are not someone or something; you are a property of reality. Once reality can easily settle through you in the fact of “I am" absolutely empty of anything else, then reality can open itself to the fact of becoming conscious of “what I am.” This is not an understanding but an opening of the “heart,” because the heart , what reality truly is , reveals itself. The absolute power of reality reveals itself as a total explosion of freedom, an inexhaustible creative flow erupting like a never-ending supernova. The word glory, etc, could be used but it sounds subjective valoration. Lets say unlimited vitality that emerges from the unlimited, absolute potential manifesting itself without limit. It's perceived as something much better than any possible good thing that the mind could imagine before. Another valoration, I know, but it's the case. It's perceived as the "absolute better". Through the human interface, the self-perception of reality can briefly open completely to its own nature. This is not a mental image, not something imagined, but something that can melt the mind itself. Achieving even a moment of openness to the total alive is not merely a vision, but a flame that produces a structural transformation within you. Obviously, you are not going to walk down the street in an unlimited state in which reality explodes continuously, but you begin to perceive the vitality of reality within experience itself. The filter that attenuates experience begins to fall away, and everything is perceived as the living flow of what reality is. The “I am” is seen as an intrinsic property, not as the essence. The essence is living limitlessness in its inexhaustible expansion. That's why the idea "reality is consciousness" is wrong. It's a barrier, behind the barrier of the void of the I am is where the real thing is waiting to be discovered.

Krishnamurti was a liar. U.g Krishnamurti, who was true said that jiddu was a scammer. Many others said that, because is obvious What kind of question is where I'm in the body? It's meaningless. What I am as a human is complex process that manifests in a cloud of procces that are happening now that we call mind. In that procces the self is created. Where is it is irrelevant , it is, that's enough. The point is the ultimate nature of it, that's the ultimate nature of everything

The fire and anything else are expression of the unlimited power of what has not límits. The point is not defining the fire or anything but understand its nature and see it.

You also could live alone in a mountain, there are many different possibilities being human. Anyway I agree, the society is an expression of reality, as real as anything else. Alive, dynamic, powerful. And being totally present is essential for a full life. But enlightenment means something else, it's being open to the nature of the reality, of what everything is. It's not a conceptual idea, don't be hurry to say that I'm wrong and that, just contemplate what I'm saying. The core of everything, the core of yourself, is the source, the ultimate nature of reality. @Grateful Dead called it love and you very fast said that he's wrong without any attempt to understand his view. What he call love is something else, it's the pure potential of the limitless. It's something that when you really perceive it, you see the sacred miracle of creation, the unfathomable that manifests as forms, relationships and consciousness. And you are that. Not just the form or the feeling and the movement but the unlimited, the holy absolute that is source of everything because it's limitless. Then you see the light, really, without trying to convince yourself all time, it's absolutely clear.

Everything that exists is constant change, relationships between different states creating stable patterns that appear and disappear. Buddhists say this demonstrates that reality is empty at its core, since nothing exists in itself; everything is change. For Buddhists, the foundation of reality is sunyata, emptiness, and nirvana is extinguishing yourself. Extinguishing your candle, as they say. I believe they are completely wrong because they haven't grasped the essential quality of what they call emptiness. Emptiness is absolutely full, full of potential. The quality of the unlimited (better that word than emptiness) is that it emanates absolute potentiality. It is the absence of obstacles for the possible to be. The unlimited is absolute life, and the quality of reality is expansion, vitality, creation. What appears is simply possible coherence, but its momentum is total, since nothing holds it back. Nirvana is not extinguishing your candle; it is lighting it and letting it shine in all its potential.

Then when you achieve a kind of living death, do you act hysterically, needing to be the one who's enlightened but unable to hold a coherent conversation? It sounds like an incomplete death. Now seriously, read what I've written and refute a specific point without screaming like a hysterical medieval inquisitor at a heretic, and let's see if you've understood what I've said or if you're just playing your usual power games.

The logical mind can understand logic (if it is well-tuned). Logic is coherent relationships, and the reality that appears is made up of logical relationships. We could also call it mathematics. All of reality that appears can be broken down into formulas and equations, including feelings and consciousness, since they are relationships. Therefore, the mind can basically understand everything. The mind can even understand the source of reality, the absence of limits that lives, and can also formulate it mathematically in a simple formula: zero = infinity. The fact that reality is comprehensible does not negate that it is alive, absolute, divine, or whatever you want to call it. The point is that understanding is just a tool of the mind, not the mind. The mind is over all consciousness, being aware of yourself, that's , of the reality. Then the point is don't get stuck in the logical mind and this is achieved when the logical mind works clear without hindrance and see the relationship everywhere, then it can relax and stop because everything is clear

Then you know that you don't know, and this happen because you are deeply attached to the conceptual learned world but in a negative mode. If you really transcend the learned mental structure, you would know directly. What you are doing is protecting yourself of the conceptual mind constructing a negative conceptual mind and getting stuck in it

Opposite, if you experience the itch without thoughts about it, you will know exactly what it is. You will perceive the reality happening, it's movement and it's vitality. But it's not only stopping your conceptual thinking about it, you need to open yourself to the flow of reality, and that means being open to yourself because you are the reality happening.

Then if nothing appears as something, maybe it's something. Just an idea. Maybe it's creative power developing itself without end. And that creative power is the inevitable consequence of the limitless. That's why reality lives. Just contemplate the fact of existing. I don't mean thinking about it, just seeing it, same than you see the fact of the self is not real, you could see the fact of existing right? Just see it without filter, it's happening now. Remove the barrier of: I'm not real (that is a conceptual idea) and see.

I'm feel very good, anyway I could feel very bad, that's human life. This doesn't mean that I'm trapped in the ego. Trapped in ego suffering is more constantly but if you are more or less free of the mental frame that compares and defines everything you also could suffer. Suffering is a reality being human Anyway, your idea of enlightenment means scaping of human nature denying it. It could work in some extent but it has a cost. Your mind will get limited.

Ah ok, I understand, you are in another level, then it's normal the sarcasm. Honestly I found your message very insulting. Just like this one. A defensive reaction from someone who needs a position of superiority, and whose psyche has managed to construct the mental image of being enlightened. So, when something confronts them, they react in different ways to protect their absolute need. One of them is to ridicule, another is not to listen or engage in real conversation but to repeat a mantra they've created for this purpose. The self is an illusion or whatever. There's another person here broadcasting from the same mental frequency, james123. I'd say there are many in the world of spirituality. Let's see, being superior by being a millionaire, successful and all that is difficult, but making the mental shift of enlightenment is the perfect business. Zero investment, total profit. You're better than Newton, Julius Caesar, and Churchill without even getting up from the sofa. Who'll top that? The only problem is for the people around you. The narcissist can't see it because it's 100% focused in the protection of his history, for him it's a a matter of survival, but for the people around it's unbearable.

Anyway, I'm going to explain some crazy, hippie-ish New Age stuff to you. Look, there's a universe with something like two trillions galaxies that arises from a dimensionless singularity, which is a rupture of the vacuum's symmetry, and it unfolds in a spacetime structure that's essentially a hypercomplex equation with zero deviation and a real energy balance of zero. And in this unfolding of perfectly synchronized mathematical relationships, everything converges in a process of unimaginable complexity that channels all that perpetual synchronic change to repeat over and over: the self doesn't exist. It's an illusion. I'm enlightened. You're not. It's fascinating, don't you think? The point is not understanding this sophisticated truth about the non existent illusory self, or my big bang, it's being open to the source of everything, to the unlimited. It's irrelevant if the self is this or that, what is real is what remains when all the barriers fall. This could sounds very new age to you, but you are not a no self, you are an expression of the absolute, then you are the absolute expressed in a process that is happening right now. This process can perceive itself without filter. But it's not easy at all, in fact it's very difficult game, but if you manage at least some level of openness the change is total Then you will perceive the reality of everything, of the people that you see, it's the opposite of a dream, it's alive, absolutely real. Then silent your mind is easy because the reality of everything is content enough.

Sure you are right, even in that moment you are totally closed to the unlimited it's not the same than if you are absolutely closed in the bubble and you never have broken it. The problem for me is denying the reality of a level of the reality. What I perceive is that it's a barrier, a real one that traps you. If you call dream to the dense level you can't integrate it and use it's power to move yourself to another level. You will stuck, it's very subtle, very Buddhist. The dense level is absolutely real. Maybe feels bad or anything, but you can't scape from it thinking that doesn't exist , doing it would castrate your mind, like a narcissist

Or maybe important or not important are valorations, like saying; reality is boring. Well, it depends of your emotional state I guess. Or saying: the self is not real. It's like saying: being bored is not real, it's an illusion. Really all that stuff comes from Buddhism. It's an attempt to avoid suffering and domesticate the emotional density, but denying what is calling it false, you castrate your mind, then you could become very limited, and the idea is breaking the limits

But the spirit is the mind, there is no other. Not superior self. Let's use "tao". The mind is the tao expressed as a mind. So if you see a higher spirit guiding the mind, you're creating a barrier that closes it off. The Tao isn't someone or something that directs; it's the unlimited being that manifests itself in what is possible. And the manifestation is the mind. That is to say, it's the mind that orients itself toward, for example, clarifying its density to see, not a higher force. Nothing is superior; everything is interconnected realities that ontologically have the same level. As I see it, it's crucial not to categorize anything as false, real, true, or illusion because those are absolute closures. Openness occurs when the mind integrates itself and sees itself seamlessly, as the totality of reality. There is no other reality, no other levels; there is only density that clouds perception.

Id say that I can't interact with my mind because I am the mind. What I am is the process that's happening and it's a mind. What I can do as a mind is point to the direction that is better according my vision, that is what any living being and life itself does, and the mind is a living being. You could say that the essence of that process is the unlimited, the tao, anything, but the process is happening and I'm that. You could say that I'm the tao in the form of a mind, but not that I'm the master of the mind, because there is not an I separated from the mind , the I is a part of the structure of the mind

So animals are pure and do what reality wants, but the mind, on the other hand, doesn't; it's against reality. Is reality sad because the mind thinks? Maybe the problem is that you can't see how the human matrix is the reality expressing itself as a mind

I understand you. You mock what I said because you need to be enlightened, then any deeper sight threaten you, and your defense is ridicule to feel safe. You could keep saying all people around you that of the self doesn't exist and that you are enlightened, and only very few are like you, I'm sure that they will get very impressed. Maybe some of them bit bored.

Ok thanks

The observer is the structure that a human is. Is the fact of perceiving. Perceiving is the reality reflected in itself. The observer and the observed are the same, but exist in an structure that allows the fact of perceiving. I don't know what did you read, but denying what's obvious only will mess your mind

I don't see things that way. I'm not constantly defining myself as a self; I don't care if there is a self or not, nor do I want to be enlightened to get a medal and a diploma. I simply perceive that I exist. It's quite strange if you stop to think about it. Let's see, I exist, and right here, now, the fact of existing is happening. You completely empty your mind of ideas and focus entirely on this reality. Then you perceive an energy that is keeping you isolated. If you focus on that energy, your heart starts beating fast. It's primal fear. Not a silly fear you've learned, but the atavistic terror of destruction. Then you stare at this terror; it's fascinating. You begin to see how you are closed in a kind of bubble. Even with your mind at zero, the bubble is there. Then you want to break it. These aren't mental stories; it's absolutely real, it's your current structure, what reality is now. At a certain point, the door opens, and your nature is revealed. Then your eyes open; it's wild, it's fire, life, creation, the absolute power that springs from the boundless abyss that is reality. It's the fire that makes you exist, interconnected with a web of inconceivable proportions, that makes you who you are. In fact, it is exactly what you are. But over all it's open, it's unlimited. Then you could think: how's this possible? But it's obvious that it's inevitable. There are no limits, then you are, and you are that, the unlimited that emits potential in all directions, the absolute being. This is not a mental history, it's the reality. But then your psyche, created by the human tide of which you are a part, shuts you down again and again. It's a process that starts and moves forward, like anything else that exists

By the way, a reflection on openness to the totality. It's not something you know. If yesterday your openness to the limitless that lives was the case, but today, for whatever reason, the structure of your psyche closes, then you don't know what the limitless was. It's impossible because it's not something concrete, it's not someone, an entity; it's the bottomless, boundless from which reality inevitably springs. If you are open to it, it is total light. If you are closed, you start to think...let's see, so I am the inevitable bottomless flow? That seems impersonal, wild, meaningless, an eternal prison, an infinite machine of equations that creates things because it can't help but. Everything turns gray, sad. The mind finds no foothold, nothing makes sense, not even death is an escape. Relationships with people, work, life...what is the point of this madness? It's what they call the dark night of the soul. So you have to be astute and understand how you close and reopen.