Breakingthewall

Everything that we know is deceit. the only real understanding is what is happening right now beyond the logical mind. the logical mind is a tool within the illusion and it is illusion, therefore everything it deduces is illusory. real understanding comes from the inner emptiness , and the moment the logical mind touches it, it becomes cloudy.

'Nothing", in the sense that the energy that desires and fear is identified and can be deactivated at will, but the experience continues to occur, so there is still "something" and it seems always will be. in my experience, what is perceived when turning off that energy, which is really the separate self, is that the experience completely changes frequency. It changes from linear dimension, a story that takes place, to acquire a dimension in depth, a kind of bottomless tube where images appear. The meaning of those images changes completely if they are interpreted in relation to the energy That wants and fear or not. understanding becomes possible, but it is extremely difficult to maintain the perspective without self, since the mind begins to interpret and that makes the linear perspective return. I get the perspective without self about 2 or 3 times a day, every time it happens I laugh out loud, it is absolutely liberating and mysterious. but given our conditioning, extremely difficult to maintain. More than some minutes is very difficult. I find it hard to believe those who claim to be fully awake. I think they are still in the linear perspective but modified, 90% they are deceived imo, but who knows

@Water by the River but listening to the explanations of the Buddhists it seems that they say something nonsense. It does not seem that they refer to the lack of form, but to the lack of everything. they say that the ultimate reality is void. if so, the relative reality would also be void in my experience, first you become aware of the void, but then the void opens up and reveals that the appearance of nothingness was the ultimate frontier of the absolute. It cannot be the void or cessation, it is not a possibility, it is imaginary, a form. the true non-form is the absolute, which is unimaginable, and is total, everything. It's not just an experience that could be imaginary, because when you see that, it's completely obvious. It englobe everything, if something is excluded, it's a limitation, imaginary

Man, if you were truly awake, if the infinity of the absolute were open to you now, you would know that it is impossible to teach the truth to another person. You could only, being very clever, make him see the mechanisms of the limitation. that is why the masters have been speaking for thousands of years. You can only help someone to break the limitation, not positively tell him what the truth is, because the truth cannot be told, it is simply the absence of limits. You can only remove the limits and be it.

Id say that emptiness is imaginary. we call absolute what has no limits, and imaginary what is limited. imaginary because really, the limits are impossible. they are only apparent, and they create a form that is only apparent. then nothing must necessarily be imaginary, because in the absence of limits, it would be full of everything ... it would contain the infinite potential, which inevitably arises from the fact that there are no limits. basically, the nothing would have to be, and be include everything. you, ultimately, will always be, because you are now. We are absolute, so we are one. It's really strange for the mind, isn't it? Existence is, really, without anything or anyone having created it, without being secondary to another superior existence. but it is obvious the moment you realize the lack of limits. existence is. totally. And if existence is, what could be but you? But the unlimited you that we have to realize in the now.

Yes, but isn't god imaginary? the ultimate reality is unlimited absolute infinity, and that's what I am. God is secondary to infinity, it is creation, but creation of itself. it is will and intelligence that arise from the lack of limitation, but they are somehow the first apparent limitation, which creates all other apparent limitations that are the perceived reality. the ultimate reality is prior to any creative will, that is, any will of establish apparent limits. it is limitless and that's it.

I'd say that nothing is imaginary. the ultimate reality is the absence of limits, and nothingness is limitation, since it excludes something. non-limitation is the infinite absolute, and I am that. only that exists, it is total freedom and I am aware of it at this moment, it is obvious. here and now infinity is and cannot be otherwise for the obvious reason that real limitations are impossible. the limitations are apparent and are what create the apparent reality that seems to be occurring in time. the absence of limitation is absolute life, absolute freedom, absolute love, because it includes everything . whoever realizes the absolute is the only one that exists, but his infinity excludes any solitude. there is no other, but as in a game of mirrors, there are infinite perspectives. you cannot understand it in a linear or superficial way. To believe that you have done so is the delusion of religion, the fanaticism of the fool who believes that he has deduced the truth with the basic software of the language. transcending this is easy, you just need to humble yourself.

Yes, well said, or said in a summarized way, what @Razard86 does is religion, not spirituality.

@Razard86 Man, I asked you about your experience. If you don't want to explain it, ok. I am not saying that I "believe" the alien awakening, I am saying that leo has been solid until now, and that I give him credibility, for now. And another thing: awakening is a change in the frequency, a different way of perceiving the now, not "knowing things". You seem to know a lot of things. do they come from the now, or are they mental creations? I don't know

It's not your experience, you are the experience. You are the now.

Its not that . Being awake is something real, it is seeing the absolute in movement here and now. take the perspective of the absolute. the moment you think "outside" exists, you have lost the frequency. To say: I exist, but so do others, is to lose yourself in an idea. The only thing that exists is this, here and now. not to think only I exist, but to really exist now. That is the reality, there is no other and there never will be.

So did you have experience it? Explain how was

I don't judge you, life is hard and those who are serious in spirituality we've usually been lucky enough to have had extra of that. but sometimes you have a slight aroma of bully.

solipsism is the truth. Only you exist, the others are imaginary. That does not mean that the others do not exist. only you exist, and the others too. But the thing is: you are the totality, the absolute. Nothing is outside you, outside don't exist. The others are inside you, everything is inside you because you are infinite. Really, right now. You are me.

don't get upset, yimpa just wants to be the cool guy and all his comments can be translated as: I'm cool

This is impossible and you know that, You also mentioned it later. If you reach such a high state of consciousness where you are aware of how you create reality, you will also be aware that you are creating it perfectly. so making any changes will not make any sense at that time. even if you are a sick man in misery who has been depressed for years in total solitude, that is perfection. the ego can't understand it, so to reach the higher states the ego must leave

agree, the qualitative difference between sober and not sober is zero. Not because of heavy metals, even though your brain is totally clean, it works with chemicals, only that it has adapted to function like this for millions of years, it could just as well have adapted to function like on an LSD trip. ultimately psychedelics are imaginary. everything is, except the absolute infinite. So, if you realize the absolute, that's it, it doesn't matter how.

Maybe it's impossible to reach a complete unity and you are always transcending separation, or maybe, as leo says, desire turns into the understanding of god

truth and lie are like goodness and evil, what it really means is unity and separation. we move towards unity because going towards separation is completely stupid, it leads to hell

It is not just realizing your unity with the rock, it is eliminating for a while the idea of "out" and allowing the now to open up, lose its limitation, it is a kind of change in frequency, from linear movement to a stopped depth

makes sense if you want to awake (without the slapping) . thinking that others exist creates the illusion of something external to you. as an infinite total absolute, there is nothing external to you. then someone will say: yes, but now you are not infinite, you are a part of reality. It is not like this. It seems impossible and false, but the trick is masterfully constructed. At the moment in which you think that the others exist, and are having an experience, you have completely fallen into the illusion. this does not mean that the others do not exist. Whether they exist or not means absolutely nothing, it is a mental construction, like all histories, the software that is running. thinking that they exist creates apparent fragmentation. thinking that they do not exist focuses you on reality, the now. First order reality is now, merge with it because you are the now. Thinking of others is the separating agent, creating an apparent separation between the now and an illusory you.

Exactly, the limits are apparent and are the history which is developed in mental software. Outside is just an idea

The thing is not that the Statue of Liberty, the others or whatever exist or not, it's that absolutely everything you think about is... a thought. reality is the limitless depth of this moment, there is nothing outside. outside is an idea of the mind. it is not false or true, it is an idea of the mind that occurs in this moment now. if you give it reality, you fragment yourself, and that is the dream.

solipsism means: the moment you think of "other", you are fragmented. infinitely divided. if you want to wake up you have to realize that you are this, now. as soon as you project outside, you are outside. outside does not exist. does this mean it is true? nothing you think is true, the only truth is this, now

This one, if you look at it from the formal point of view, of good taste, is horrible, like from a cheap bazaar. but if you look closely, in every detail, in every color combination... it's wonderful. It's a song, unleashed beauty, alive .