Breakingthewall

The mind must be a certain way, at least for spirituality: free of any limitations. If not, you are going to fool yourself

The "relative" is what existence is. Here, now, this. There is nothing else. The only relative thing is the interpretation, that's false, nothing. Silence your mind and see the movement, the direct experience. That is the absolute, and it's infinite depth. There is no phenomenal vs absolute. There is interpretation vs absolute, and even that, the interpretation is just another movement of the absolute. You are alone, here, now, for the eternity, and that's it. And it's perfection. This is not ego, it's direct understanding.

I am not offended at all, but I perceive a certain distortion in you. Since you are sincere, I will be too. let's see, you say that you realize the absolute and that the absolute is immutable and pure love. ok, I understand that from the silence of the mind, without any obstacle, one realizes the joy of existing and the suffering disappears, since it is something that the ego creates. but tell me, how did you realize your infinite nature? Have you become absolute, infinite, encompassing everything? So, have you realized that everything is inside of you? Are you really aware of what death means? that the entire cosmos is in your mind and there is nothing else? that there is no "outside"? Have you really seen this without psychedelics, or have you read it and integrated it into your idiosyncrasy? Are you sure you're not fooling yourself? because it is extremely easy to delude yourself into thinking that you have realized things that if you are truly honest with yourself, you have conceptually integrated. Your stiffness makes me think that's the case Or maybe your mental suffering has been so great that you deny the mind as if it were something negative, in favor of silence, the only positive thing? both have their place. The mind is a great tool and must be used, but it has to trascend it's limitations, that's all. And please, don't tell me again: when you realize the absolute , you will see. It sounds like a defense.

??yes, but first moksha must break his rejection and prejudice and try to really understand, reading what is said with an open mind, not with the intention of finding points that reaffirm his thesis. But seems impossible. I feel fear and rejection, need to be right and the other wrong, defense against the heretic ?

Agree, but this guru can lie himself too. self-deception is the number one problem in this work

You don't understand. psychedelics and especially 5 meo take you to a completely altered state of consciousness in which there is no perception/perceiver duality anymore. the psychedelic path begins with bad trips, where for example you experience the "horrible abyss", and you can also have unity trips, absolute love, "hallelujah". You don't make these trips to realize things and then add them to your mental baggage, but for the change itself, which makes your energetic body more plastic each time, and this happen very fast. What I said 1 month ago is obsolete now. you completely misinterpret what I say out of lack of understanding, since you avoid understanding. for you there is only relative/absolute, preferring the absolute for its character of happiness and rejecting the relative for its character of suffering. You are stuck in a duality of avoiding the "bad" in favor of the "good". the psychedelic path would make you see that there is no duality, that the relative is the absolute, and understand deeper how and why this experience is occurring, what you are. but since you prefer to stay in your place and avoid threats to your absolute happiness, it seems that you will never take that step. Anyway, if it makes you happy that the absolute shines through you and that's enough for you, perfect, but I insist: you don't understand the psychedelic path. you misjudge it A question: why not be open-minded? there is nothing to lose with it

Because someone can be very bright and at the same time be wrong and say things that lead people to the wrong paths with no way out. people tend to idealize gurus for what they transmitting rather than for what they say, and that is dangerous. there are very skilled people capable of transmitting and empathizing.

reality is absolute and infinite, and by the fact of being infinite it is all that is possible to be. therefore it is conscious, omnipotent and omniscient. God. God separates in two to love itself in a dance, reality in eternal movement. Separation is a means to deepen love in the bottomless well that reality is, but at the price of being isolated from itself, separated. this separation creates a feeling of lack. beings are never complete, they have a cycle of life and death, ying and yang. For a being to exist, another must die. in the case of humans, it is even more complicated because they are a hive entity with a collective mind that evolves driven by lack. the lack of love is his hallmark.

I read that maybe he didn't exist, but he's like a legendary figure created to bring together fragments of wisdom from various masters. anyway, the book is very inspiring I think that true understanding is reality understanding itself. reality perfectly understand itself, but it has stop doing because it is immersed in a finite experience in which it is interacting with an apparent exterior. in order to do this, he transforms his infinite understanding into finite understanding. There are people in whom this transformation is completely solid, without fissures. others in which it has not been completely carried out and navigate between two waters. they need time to understand the finite because their mind is still open to the infinite. this normally produces suffering, but it can be directed towards full understanding.

existence is desire. without desire there is nothing. reality is the infinite dancing with itself a dance of love in which it desire to love itself and deepen itself. Desire is positive when it is oriented towards love, and it is negative when it is oriented to avoid the lack of love.

@Moksha Ramana Maharshi also said things like a cow achieved enlightenment through her mother, who also came out of the wheel of reincarnations when she died.

it depends on the meaning you give it, for me knowing has a cumulative connotation and understanding qualitative, but maybe lao tse sees it the other way around Btw tao te King is a book where a person wrote his understandings about existence

understanding is, for example, realizing that there are no limits between you and others, and that what you do to others you do to yourself. you might understand this right? how do you understand it? because someone has told you, or because you have come to that conclusion thinking? no, it is a direct understanding. then the logical mind structure, formule with concepts, separates the others/your, act, consequence, and then it loose it's reality, you don't understand it anymore. The real understanding comes from beyond the logical mind the logical mind can understand how a foot fits in a shoe of its size but not in a smaller one, but it cannot understand infinity, since it is limited, finite. the mind that understands everything is infinite, and is reality itself the conceptual mind is the same infinite mind but limited, to be able to handle the limited. what is limited is appearance, and so is the conceptual mind. It's the source of confusion

The less than you know, the more that you understand. Until you don't know nothing, you couldn't understand everything.

Did you read what I said? Who talked about phenomena or imagination? Nothing of what is said penetrate in you mind, and your message is just: the absolute is the truth, the relative is false.i realized the absolute, and you don't. Do you think that it's possible to have a conversation in those terms? Frustrating, seems that you have the need of defending a position

Id say that logic happens after understanding. it is what gives structure to what has been understood

Imagination is limited, in fact, it's a limiter. infinity is like having a hole in your being where there is no limit, it is infinite. then you really realize that this hole is a source of unlimited love and that this experience that is happening right now is existence making love to itself, and it's perfection. This is not mental or conceptual, it is a real realization, of maximum beauty, which can be intuited sober but which is realized to the bottom with psychedelics. after this you realize that everything is that, silence and noise too, it is the understanding of what reality is, but it is difficult to maintain it

Exactly, and we are, only we are in the mire of confusion and separation, which veils omniscience and love. Spirituality is coming out of apparent confusion and separation and closer to the omniscience and love that are the truth.

total silence can be achieved with meditation and also with psychedelics. in both cases it is not only the absence of mental noise but the absence of limits. you as ego are a limiter, a wall. you create the appearance of finitude, when reality is limitless, infinite. if you have realized infinity many times, you realize that the walls are infinity too, everything is. This is for me the goal of meditation and psychedelic work, the dissolution of limits. once dissolved, and with the mind in silence, is when the understanding begins. understanding is not mental, learned or achieved by logical procedures, it is direct experience

That's very useful too. other people is reading here, not just me. Try be more constructive

Thats false. when you become completely detached from the content of the mind, you realize that mental noise is the same as silence. It's kind of maddening these conversations because you assume that I haven't gotten out of the ego talk and emotional history. I can do mushrooms and not have a thought, or have them but see them for what they are, the same in the sober experience. although sometimes I enter into mental suffering, I know what that is, the suffering can be conscious, it is one more experience that sometimes happens. silence is one experience, noise another. It's easy for me to quiet my mind and meditate, but what about that? It's just a technique to feel better and more centered, very useful, but silence is no more true than mental noise if you don't get attached to it.

Why do you assume that? How do you know how I'm experiencing my direct experience? From my perspective it seems that you project baseless ideas

Saying things like that in a forum doesn't make any sense. Expose what according to you is, do not say: you are wrong, and that's it. what is the purpose of that?

You don't understand what I'm saying. When you realize the absolute, is still your direct experience. only that exists. the only absolute there is is your direct experience, which now seems relative, now absolute. it is always absolute, because it is reality, only it takes the appearance of an experiencer and an experience. this is the illusion. there are not two, only the experience

I think you think you understand but you don't. You don't understand that the dream is the absolute. The ego is god, and the personal will is just the god will. But if you want to be in the delusion that there is something else you have to see, the sun outside the movie theater, as McKenna says, is your choice. but there is no sun outside, since outside does not exist.