Breakingthewall

Enlightenment is the end of the thing, is to realize the total absolute infinity. After that you could realize the depth of the cosmos, but if the total absolute opens and reveals to you, and you become that, that's it.

Enlightenment as is described here is not false , it's limited to one dimension, the dimension of the quality. They say that they realize the true nature of reality, it's essence. It could be real, right? Why you don't admit it? Maybe someone realize the quality of reality full time more deeper that you, but you can penetrate in the depth of what reality is much more deeper that they. Imo enlightenment is límited but not false.

I understand what do you mean with enlightenment and I think it's legit, the true nature of existence, be open now of what this moment is, but there is more, we are the total existence, we can penetrate to the bottom of the flow, the cosmos, we are in a great thing, it's not an idea or a deceit, it's the reality, and I'd say that Leo is pointing that, but he does is a very difficult way to understand, at least to me

Just suggesting that anyone here wants to follow anyone else, including you, doesn't make sense. We have to open ourself to reality and see. All that terminology, love, truth, god, is limiting. and Ralston is limited, absolutely. only his position on psychedelics demonstrates this without a doubt. So, why were you being charitable and saying that he was awake when it is obvious that he is limited, that he has a limited idea of enlightenment?

There is no god who has forgotten that he is god, there is existence existing. A plant does not suffer anything, and does not have to forget or remember anything, it is just in all its enormous complexity, the same as you, only without a structured mind that wonders things. To say: God is dreaming a dream and the result is this reality, it seems to me to put in one part a god who does things, in another the fact of doing things, and in another the result of that action. That can't be like that, it's a wrong idea. The only god there is is reality now, it has never forgotten anything, reality is being without any type of forgetting. The fact is that you are operating from a conceptual processor that uses a system called logic to ask things doesn't mean anything, just that there is that operating system. stop it and reality manifests itself, and reality doesn't care whether you forget or not, it is not playing games, it is self-creating because that is its nature.

The pattern of existence that you are now is broken and infinity remains. By logic, if now a pattern of existence is being experienced, there will be other patterns of existence, and if there are others, there will be infinities, if not there will be none. so the infinity will be redefined in a pattern, I suppose based on the previous pattern configuration. everything is something like infinity extracting things from infinity creating functional and stable patterns. I wouldn't say that it is something that is done with an intention like: I am God and I am going to do something fun. but a characteristic of reality without limits, a cycle that begins in the simple, increases in complexity until reaching a point where it probably restarts infinitely, but each time in a different way, without limit, always. unimaginable, since it is infinite

no man, that's not understanding, it's a mental shortcut that suits you. If you are against understanding, it's ok, you can be happy without it, but don't ridicule something that is very real. The reality is extremely complex, you are extremely complex, don't you perceive it? If you don't, it's just because your understanding is low?, but changing if for sarcasm is a defense. Try to understand, just for fun, and because it's a tool for freedom

Well, the relative self is not a concept, it's the absolute límited by concepts. If you remove all the conceptual stuff, all the barriers, the absolute remains. Everything conceptual is not there on a whim, it exists because it has a real basis, if they hit your finger with a hammer it hurts. the configuration of the pattern of existence that we are creates mental structures to avoid further hammer blows. Whoever creates a concept is not another concept, it is the structure that you are, formed by millions of years of evolution. So it's the life who creates a concept, or if you prefer, God

If you look at the beings that exist, I would say that the majority live in a state of great happiness and only suffer at specific moments. Humans suffer much more because we are in a process of accelerated evolution. Humanity evolves in 1000 years than any living being in millions, therefore its suffering is thousands of orders of magnitude greater. But I suppose that there will be many beings with a very high level of happiness, and that humans in the future will reach those levels. the work we are doing is the key

Yes, the relative self can do a lot of things, and have a lot of self control. The relative self is a survival tool, the only problem is that is source of suffering, it is an entity that grows like a cancer, because the exponential evolutionary development of the human mind makes it acquire an enormous size, and with enormous fears and attachments. We are here trying to take the next evolutionary step, the transcendence of the relative self, because we have reached an unbearable point. We are almost all people with a hyperdeveloped relative self, which has led us to a dead end. the trap of the ego, a race of obstacles and suffering that leads to old age and death. wtf? scam. so the rat in the maze frantically looks for the exit

There is the absolute, the existence. You could call it "you"if you want, but it isn't a you because a you is in opposition of what it's not you, and the absolute is the absolute, no more. If you say: I am the absolute, who is saying that is the relative self. Ultimately it's not false, but the absolute don't say: I am the absolute, just is absolute. Only the relative self make definitions

The relative you, yes.

You are not a though, your sense of the self is a sistem of thoughs. It's different, thanks for the correction

I mean with self the one who wants, desires, fears, likes, dislikes, decide, is bored, etc

The human is a puppet of the thought. Millions of humans can run into machine guns shooting for a thought. The thought is the manifestation of the genetic intelligence of a species, it really is the voice of life that forces you to follow a direction. It's pure evolution

I think that You can't decide it. You have no power over your thoughts, since you are your thoughts, you are made up of them. when thoughts cease, the self disappears. the breadth of existence remains. The one who decides what to do with the thoughts is the self, without self no one decides anything. and the self cannot decide not to listen to certain thoughts since the self is a structure created by the mental flow that creates the conceptual bubble, aka the world. your mental world, which drinks from the mental world of those around you, the product of thousands of generations of evolution of the collective mind.

I believe that what we can do, and with extreme difficulty and deep understanding and great courage, is to let go of the conceptual mind. To do this we must really accept death, now, without reservation. The conceptual mind is extremely powerful. Imagine that now your doctor calls you and says: metastasis. What would you do with the thought "metastasis"? How would you handle it? Although that is not going to happen today, the fact that if it would happen it would be irresistible means that you are still (me yes at least) largely in the conceptual mind, at some level. Do not underestimate its power or the depth of its ramifications.

Thoughts have enormous force, there are thoughts that kill and others that give life. The human tide is moved by thoughts. There are thoughts that destroy civilizations, that condemn millions to death or slavery. It is normal that you react to a thought, its basis is the survival of a specie

The conceptual mind is the number one human survival tool. Of course you create the concepts. From the moment you are born you learn them based on an essential instinctive duality: life/death, which in the gregarious human almost always translates into acceptance/rejection, and from there the entire conceptual mind branches, creating a conceptual world with its own life that interacts. with other conceptual worlds, evolving, increasing in complexity and efficiency as a living being because that is what it is even though it is not a material being, serving as support and lending its energy to the collective conceptual ego mind, whose support is language, and which evolves at enormous speed.

Yes but I'm not here saying: the others are this, you are that, god is love and you are love, etc, I'm here doing like a mental excerscise to untangle the conceptual mind

Well, relative is real in some sense, we created the relative conceptual world because it's or way to surviving, so of course, it's real, to say it's false as I said is a mistake, I adopt the spiritual vocabulary, illusion, truth, etc. The thing is that the relative mind, the inner world where everything has a meaning in relation with it's opposite, have to stop just because we get lost in that world. It's not false, but it's limited, so traps you.

@Razard86 Imaginary is just a label. Doesn't mean nothing. For me, all of those are mental handles. change from one paradigm to another. It is much easier to forget any paradigm, to use the mind for material survival, not to make a map of reality. Any map is false, you cannot map what has no limit, you can only immerse yourself. For me, saying anything about reality is automatically putting a barrier between it and me, so ,create relativity, but if for you it works in a different way, it doesn't mean that you are deceived, just a different path. The end of the path is to realize what reality is, and be one with it, the way is indifferent if the destiny is the same

@Razard86 I agree that reality is absolute, therefore, the relative is not real, but I do not need all that mental gymnastics of solipsism, neither of the mind, nor of anything else, it is enough for me to get rid of all the thought that relate one thing to another. The relative is ultimately not real, but it is as if it were real, so it puts you in a relative position and that is what we call being asleep. Awakening is breaking the appearance of relativity and expanding without limit, and in this way, fully realizing what you are. It is an action, not knowing something. It is simply total openness, and for me all those stories about others do not help but are an obstacle. it is easier to forget any idea

@Razard86 All that you say about dreaming, that there are no others, etc., I'm not saying it's not true, but for me it's completely irrelevant, awakening goes through other ways. all you say is knowing things, awakening is abandoning the mind. To say that your mother does not exist, or that your mother does exist, is mind, structure, barrier. It's something relative. and all with "you" in the center. To awaken is to empty the mind completely, to allow existence to be without relativity. absolute flowing. It is not something that can be explained, for the simple reason that it is absolute and any explanation, including solipsism, is relative. relative to you.

If I watch the solipsism video, what I understand is that only my POV is real and that the people I see on the street are just images created by me to distract myself because I get bored and to avoid facing the fact that I am alone. and that I have created Leo to be able to wake up, etc. a series of conceptual assumptions that I see as wrong, but leo would tell me that this is because I am not awake, but obviously Leo doesn't think that, because if he does, he weren't trying to teach anyone. But his way to explain is very unclear, it's difficult to understand him, I don't underestimate him, I don't think he's deceived, I'm sure he's diving very deep , just I'd like that he explains himself clearly, without dark angles. But it's his choice and we have to respect it