Breakingthewall

Deep sleep is one facet of reality, and being awake is another, don't you think? Defining reality as deep sleep versus being awake sounds, let's say, Incomprehensible, to say the least. What you do all the time is define reality based on ideas that exclude everything that has form, labeling it as false, and the truth is deep sleep because that's what existed before birth. Do you understand how those ideas sound? Try this mental frame: Reality is limitless. Our current state is limited. Limits are energetic and mental (for example, believing that deep sleep is real and being awake is false). Spiritual work is about dissolving limits until only total openness remains. Simple, right? Without all that mess about deep sleep.

I understand that but for me there is a duality between you and the things that appears. For me that's the duality that must be broken. In my opinion, the self is the human self in a different vibration. It's very difficult open that door. Just an opinion, you never know ,it's difficult to understand some expressions. For me the absolute is openess, not anything else, it's the absence of limitations, and the self, consciousness, experience, are manifestations. It's extremely difficult for me breaking the self. It's like an energetic barrier that feels like a center. There is not attachment to the thoughts, empty mind, but still a center. When that center is broken, the absolute manifest itself. The total openess. Just sometimes, it's a shift that requires a restructuration of the energy pattern that I am

The moment in deep sleep is absence of anything, but later it's presence. Both are possibilities, why the nothingness is more real than the presence? Are you now in deep sleep? Then, why it's real according to you?

Believing that consciousness is the absolute occurs through identification with human experience. It's a limit. In your vision, you are the observer, the center of the thoughts, like a receptor who receive the experience. That's a center, and a center is a limit. It prevents the real openess.

Then the stillness is true and the movement is false. What is real is the existence, the thought itself. The interpretation is also real, as an interpretation, it's just an energetic flow. . The absolute is absolute. Consciousness is relative.

It's not that what I think is real, it's that thought itself is the reality. There's no difference between thought and direct experience; they are the same. Thought is a relational structure that reality is currently adopting. There is no separation between the self and thought; thought creates the self. The self is not a receiver of thought; it is the center that emerges when thoughts happen The awareness is made by the mental activity, if the mind ceases, for example in anesthesia, awareness cease. That of pure awareness is just a spiritual idea , religion

@AION For me, something very simple works. You sit in silence with the intention of being like that for half an hour or 40 min. At the beginning, you recite a mantra that erases all thought. This mantra is: nothing means anything. You repeat that for about 5 or 10 minutes, internalizing it. Meditation is being without interpretation, without contrasting opposites or defining states. It's the dissolution of the layer that assigns meaning so that your mind can open. Opening means that the limits that close you off fall away, and these limits are made of meaning. They are deeper than they seem, and they have a great energetic charge, but eventually they fall. Once they fall away, your mind expands, but you must resist the temptation to assign meaning. Meditation = no meaning. If you manage to go without assigning meaning for a while, you'll realize that your thoughts, effortlessly, have stopped. There is no thought, only the flow of what is, without structure. The goal is to live like this by default. You'll realize that many of the energetic barriers that trap you are fixed in the body: in your posture, constant muscle tension, state of alertness. You perceive this when you stop interpreting; then you can allow your body to release those tensions and your energetic system to open up.

The absolute does nothing and chooses nothing, since to do so would be relative. What emerges is always a manifestation of the absolute because the absolute, as its name indicates, is unlimited. Any form or limit is logical by definition, since it exists. Nothing that is not logical can exist; it is absolutely impossible. Even the most random relationship follows a logic, since it is a relationship The Absolute is not an entity that creates forms, for if it were, it would be a relative creator. The Absolute is the totality in which apparent limits emerge and relationships occur. The Absolute is absolutely immutable, for what it is is limitlessness. It is exactly that: unbounded. Any creation, intention, will, intelligence, character, is a limit that occurs within the Absolute. The Absolute is simply total and is absolutely terrifying to the mind because there is nothing to hold onto; it is total dissolution, yet within it, everything exists. If you want to live, die. But truly die, not by clinging to a god who loves and plays.

@SQAAD Seek challenges that bring out your primal nature and build a strong, disciplined, and humble character. Unleash the potential within you, your commitment, and your dedication. Otherwise, no matter how much elusive spirituality you cultivate, you will be weak, inconsistent, underdeveloped, a mere embryo of a human being. Remember that nothing is guaranteed; you are in the jungle. Become aware of this fact by venturing into the jungle.

deep sleep is the cessation of the mind, no movement, relationship, comparison. Deep sleep is out of time, because time requires change. So deep sleep is going to finish in some moment, and some moment is immediately, because it's out of time. Relationship, movement, consciousness, is going to emerge again, because it's a possibility

Mind is relationship. All existence is relationship. What we call mind is the energetic universe that establishes relationships, creates symbols, archetypes, and patterns for functioning as a human among humans.

What is consciousness in the absolute absence of limits and form, without time, becoming, duality or change?

Where is cognitive bias present? materialism means nothing; matter is ultimately a local vibration of reality, not a thing. Matter is made of change, same than anything else that exists

I told you many times, but you don't want to consider it.

Yeah the essence of reality is still, it's manifestation is dynamic. The absolute is always the unlimited, without form. Can't change because it's formless, but it expression is always changing.

Yes but after deep sleep, awakening comes.

Well, that's your opinion. I think that after so much effort and explanation, saying that offensive words defines you. Congratulations. Inlightened absolutely, as your nickname saiys

And? Maybe after death there is another mind that remembers this life and the past one when you were super sayan interdimensional warrior of justice If there is a mind now, seems possible that there will be a mind again at some point

No, only when I awake

@Inliytened1 but look, that the reality is not "magic" doesn't mean that it's not glorious. Opening yourself to the total is absolute glory, total freedom, the end of the lack, the end of the searching. It's total. But it's just absence of limits. Just that.

That doesn't mean that's false. It's a possibility. I also learned about the war in congo and this doesn't mean that doesn't exist. And it's irrelevant, the real point is being open to your absolute nature

Well, or maybe knowable and definable by science until the bottom. It feels like that because it's real. You will see when pack of hyenas will tear your arms off if you are vulnerable or not. The center is real, you can deactivate it for a while and feel the whole, but always from the center. The text that you wrote comes from that center. Without that center there is not projection, language, symbolism, intention, communication... Sure, the hyenas are illusory. Untill they start bitting. You will see. Then why are you talking? Or you never wrote this? What a mess

Then what happens with those thoughts about that this is the first and last life? Are different? And who knows, that you don't remember something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Anyway the point is being open to the absolute nature of reality.

Forms appear because there are no limits. Staticity is impossible; reality is always dynamic. There is always fluctuation, contrast, and a breaking of symmetries. It seems an inevitable law that the most coherent possibility prevails. This occurs from subatomic scales to the evolution of species. It is not magic; it is limitlessness. It is inevitable.