Breakingthewall

That guy says that the only real is the self. Who knows what he means with self. Maybe he's totally deluded, those gurus believe that they are enlightened, because they meditate, empty the mind an listened other gurus, so then they know what happens after death, whats everything, etc. For example he said that you feel grief if a friend dies because you thought that you posses him .bit nonsense right? Then maybe everything else are nonsense

Happy that resonates

Life is conflict. When the first cells joined together to form an organism and thus kill other cells to use their energy, the party began. Since then, life has killed life trillions of trillions of times.

Exactly. The faith that is needed is the faith in the unknown. Open your heart to reality then realize that's one with reality. So you say, death, come in, I'm open, I'm at home, my faith is total and I don't need grips. Not easy btw.

Yes sure, the form is limited as a form, but the wave is all the ocean from the pov of the wave because there is no separation between the ocean and the wave, so the wave looks inside and perceive itself as all the ocean. This doesn't mean that the other waves are imaginary, are real but from the pov of each wave others are part of it. Or as Rumi said , you are not a drop in the ocean, you are the ocean in a drop

@zazen about the distinction between essence and form. I'm going to explain as clear as I can. There is only one essence and infinite potential forms, I suppose you'd agree. The point is understanding what the essence of everything is. Let me explain my point of view. At a certain point, you decide to delve deep within yourself, to seek enlightenment, because you sense that possibility, but nothing you read resonates completely. Then you become (at least I did) obsessed with meditation and psychedelics, going all in, no prisoners. Then those phases happen: First, begin to see the structure of the self. You see that what you are is a node of tension, a center created by energetic layers based on genetic mechanisms of fear of destruction, attachment to the clan, and an absolute need to be accepted by the tribe. This is extremely powerful, and deactivating it is a great challenge. Second, you are able to go beyond meaning, you can empty your mind completely, reach absolute silence without terror, then the void occurs. Reality is a transparent, superficial hologram, and beneath it there is only an infinite expanse of the void. It is extremely difficult to endure this; it is terrifying. Third: at a certain point you realize that there is still a center observing the void; there is a subtle separation. Then the shift occurs: you realize you were looking outward, you change your focus, you look inward. You are something, what are you? It opens up. It is, metaphorically speaking, your heart. It contains everything. The infinite void is permeated by your substance. It has no limits, it is inexhaustible, it is everything. It is absolute totality. The form is not an hologram anymore, it's alive, full of life. Then you realize that what your substance is is limitlessness; the absence of limits that you are translates into totality. Nothing is missing; you have always been that. What you are is outside of time; not "happening." "Happen" is a possibility, an inevitable dance that occurs given the inherent instability of limitlessness. Nothing contains you; you are everything; nothing is missing; hallelujah, you are free.

I explained wrong, what I meant in that any manifestation or form is caused by the totality of the form and, at the same time, is the cause of the becoming of the form. There is no hierarchy; nothing is superior to another part. The part is the whole, and the whole is the part. If you divide infinity into parts, each part is infinity, only with a different appearance. Any form is a vibration, a coherent relational movement coordinated infinitely. If you study a little quantum physics, you understand that any manifestation is fundamentally relational, and that coherent relationships naturally tend to group themselves into increasingly complex patterns if the necessary coherence allows it. There is no creator god above you; you are that god, and an ant is too. There are no levels; there are emergent manifestations of the infinite relationships that happens when then coherence allows it. The reality manifested is constantly changing phase. When a system reach a critical point of coherence, a jump to another phase of complexity happens. Life is another phase after complex molecules, civilization is another phase after tribe, technological humanity is another phase after colonialism, multidimensional immortal cyborgs are another possible phase. But essentially they are exactly the same as an atom. Coherent relationship, mathematical possibility coherent with the whole.

How do you know that? The absolute that is nothing did it for love? Sounds like an arbitrary deduction Then if I die, that is, stop controlling, or thinking, I will realize that the truth did the big bang, the body, the mind all that for love? So for a reason. Then, the absolute have choice and in a given moment it decided: for love, I'm going to do a big bang

Man, you and the other sending self esteem each other are so sweet that Im having a diabetic attac.

Then the truth is something that produces a big bang. And a big bang is love. Well, if those are your ideas, you should explain them deeply. Why it's love? Why "the truth" produces big bangs? How do you know that?

Maybe that works for you but not for me, I was immersed in a emotional structure that was a hammer, in my case life put me in a impossible enigma. First I had to break absolutely all the energetic barriers, then connect body, mind and find harmony. Without a previous total destruction would be impossible.

You don't understand yet an important point. They want to feel special, not understanding reality. The problem is the order, look: 1 they need to feel special, it's an absolute need, because they can't face themselves, they are immersed in the ego, in the pain of the lack of love 2 they find a exit to this horrible situation: being an enlightened. Look the difference, it's very important: not get enlightenment, being AN enlightened. Do you understand? They are not going to humble themselves and do a real work to really open their energetic system, they are going to try to fit with what they consider what an enlightened being is, because they need to think that they are enlightened because their self esteem. You are arguing with James to make him see anything, then he answers with a contra argument. You are playing tennis, all the conversation with James are playing tennis, because he needs to win, to maintain the enlightenment image. He's a prisoner, a narcissist. Like millions in the world. Self image is a very powerful engine to move humans, but it's a madness

So the reality is before the big bang, and after the big bang it's a false reality. So we should wait to the big bang finishing to be again in the true reality? Shit you are so deep, like a poet, full of grace. You and James are so deep beautiful souls, namaste brothers , namaste. Let's sing because we are so special, so different, so blessed!!! Let's buy white linen clothing and to set up an ashram where people will appreciate how wonderfully pure we are and will deify us! Alleluia loved pure brothers, alleluia, we are the choose ones, the beloveds, the special. Ahhh narcissists, you are so funny 🤣

🤣He's just a liar

Sure, the void before birth and that. Let me give a more simple explanation. You are a human with a mind. That mind has a complex energetic system that always creates a tensional node that perceives itself as a center, perceiver, who wants the better and avoid the worse. This center in a given moment thinks: wtf is this horrible shit? I only perceive threatening and fear, isolation and lack. Not funny! Then as I am a smart self, I'm going to do something very Counterintuitive. I'm going to dissolve myself as a center. Not as a mind. Obviously, the mind is real, the body too, everything is real, but the configuration of this reality is extremely unpleasant, so let's see what we can do. Then, at a certain point, this self manages to break the tension, like an energetic knot, and opens up. Done! Then it realizes that it was dividing reality into sectors to manage it, positioning itself as the operational center, which is useful, but you have to be able to let go at will. By doing so, the whole system opens up, meaning disappears, reality manifests its vitality, its depth. But it can still do more. It can, even as a center that knows it's just an operational system, a form, make movement, then experience, change, lose even more relevance. Then there's total vastness, without edges, without bottom. Wow, is that all? No! You have to go deeper, endure this absence of foundation, not cling. Then reality reveals itself: the totality, that which is everything. which is obviously absolutely everything, what you are, what you have always been.

How could you digest anything if you are not the mind? Who understands that? The absolute reality? How? So the absolute reality was confused thinking that it was the mind but in some moment it realizes that is not the mind. It's a mental process , so is the mind who realizes that

Then me, that I am unnameable, unexplainable and unexperiencable have to silent the mind that is another thing. How could I do that if I'm the nothing before the birth? Maybe do you mean that I am the perceiver, the center who is perceiving the mind and the body, then that center decides to silent the mind?

So there is me, like a entity, that arises together with a thing, the body, that behaves on its own, and a third thing, the mind, that must be silent by me. So what I am? The one who is going to silent the mind? How? With another mind?

Then body and mind are things separate from me?

The logical mental system is an important part of the human mind. If you want to align all your energies to be open to the absolute the logical mind must be aligned. You don't need to understand everything but if you have a logical system based in mistake you are trapped

On the other hand, there are points that I see as very clear, very obvious, so I share them here to see if anyone connects with . The issue of spirituality is still to be clearly formulated; no one has ever done it. I'm not prepared to do that; I would need a more stable level of openness and more discipline and order. So all I can do is share some ideas here. But where is who can transmitt this properly? Sadhguru? I can't believe what he says about rivers of energy, past lifes and 84 universes. Maybe his work is absolutely positive, but his view is dissonant for me. Where is the one with the clarity?

I think that writing, debating, contrasting ideas, trying to communicate your vision, and reading the visions others communicate can be very useful for understanding your driving forces, your blocks, and your blind spots, if your intention is expansion. If your intention is contraction, that is, for everyone to see you as great so you can feel great, then it's useless. The idea is to make a constant effort to try that communication is as free of ego as possible. Everyone unconsciously lean towards ego time and again, but little by little you become aware of it and refine your energy. The issue isn't where you are, but where you're headed. For example, everything I just said, I'm really saying to myself. I'm not saying it so you know something; rather, this conversation is an exercise for me to become aware of things, but same time sharing as direct an clean as I can. This is not a conversation like being with a coffee, it's a development of our logic sistem to try to make the barriers as soft as it's possible little by little

I write because it make me feel good, same that anything that you could do, that's not the point imo, the point is from what angle you are acting, if your energy aim to the expansion or to the contraction . Expansion means openess, communication, connection. Contraction means closeness, self image, exclusion, self. All of us have some contraction, it's almost inevitable. If you start a thread a little voice is It's whispering: you're soooooooooo cool. It's extremely difficult to get it to shut up (impossible? Maybe) The point is to realize how horribly pathetic you are for emitting that energy, and little by little it will diminish. You're pathetic for inflating your ego for one reason: it traps you. It contracts you. It's like the Ring of Sauron, it whispers pleasant things to subdue and enslave you in the darkness.

I think that what @Ishanga tries to say is that @James123 acts to feel he's so cool not to connect and communicate. Its very easy to perceive when someone acts from the flow or from the inflation of the ego. The problem is that the one who moves to feel so so special doesn't know it, he really thinks that he's acting for the sake of humanity (that's why he's so cool) , then point it to them never works, they are going to think that you are not awake, jealous, blind, anything. They have the talent to see anything that protect their so cool self image. They can change attitude, change what they think, change what happened, change anything except changing the angle that is focused in the protection of the cool self image Anyway ishanga, you should know that this behavior is very common, not only in spirituality but in humans in general, then it's better don't try to fix everything but express your truth and try to connect with who's in your frequency if there is anyone

The specific manifestation, the self, the vantage point, whatever we call it, is made of the essence of the absolute, but also of the totality of form. I think it's important to see this. This doesn't mean there aren't more vantage points, but rather that the center is an energetic construct, an "illusion" (a misleading word), and what you are contains the totality of form. The gears that make you move are in the cosmos in its entirety. A butterfly flaps its wings in the parallel universe xj12700, and you think that your neighbor is hot. Everything is totally interconnected; nothing is separate, neither in essence nor in form. Or if you prefer, a thought about your neighbor appears creating a center of tension that wants, a self, and that self , with wanting, is the cause of a limitless line of effects Well, I'd say both. There is nothing but the truth, so the self that perceives itself as a center recognizes that's a energetic temporary construction, a tensional node, then it claims: I really am something different in structure and essence that what seems, I am the totality in all senses. "I" because there is a point that "know", a knowledge happening. It's the same if it's not "real", it is. Sure, because religion didn't aim to freedom but to control, same than now. I don't mean that was wrong, was necessary to build civilization, but it's necessary now? I think it's a hindrance Mostly are only in understanding without seeing, and understanding according them is realizing that what they watched in the videos is true. They use psychedelic to understand. It's like using alcohol to drive moto GP. Psychedelic are for dissolve energetic blockages, relaxation of the tensional node that is the center of perception to perceive those blockages, and to have moments of openess to the absolute nature, then sending a message to the blockages: you can relax, stop controlling so hard, there is not a threat, there is the totality and you are that. It's the only way to make them relax little by little . For understanding, better than psychedelics, study quantum physics.