Findus

That is a contradiction, when there is Awakening there is no "this lifetime". That is right, we are letting the spiritual insight interact with this particular space and time. this one set of particular circumstances is what's meaningful. That is correct, I made a mistake here. Enlightenment is not realized "in this life", but only when you transcend your life. When you are "yourself", you are, by definition, not fully aware. If you want to experience something beyond absolute nothingness(i.e., death), you have to indulge in the illusion of the self and willingly limit yourself. Thats what I would argue against, I think it is the only meaningful thing there is right now. I think going through illusory experiences is the only way to feel normal and whole. When the act ends, there is nothing. It is non-existent. The only thing that exists and can have meaning is when the act is restarted, anything else literally couldn't exist. I wholeheartedly agree with this! But this sort of fulfillment can only come from the fact that you were stuck in an illusory limitation to begin with, otherwise this insight would be meaningless.

If you were stuck in this particular reality, why would you care about alternate realities and the possibility of infinity? You will never experience the infinity of the universe in this life, because your life (i.e., your memory) is limited to this place; it is limited to an average of 70-90 years. Yes, you will be reborn as something else all together eventually, but all the progress in spiritual endeavours will be lost and it is unlikely that you will respawn in an entity that has the same potential for spiritual enlightenment as the body you are in right now. Then again, if you realize the full spiritual truth in this life, what's so special about that? Spiritual truth has been known in all of time and does not ever change. Spiritual truth is so universal and ever-present that there is almost no point in realizing it because such a thing is not a speciality in any case. In fact, it is the most universal thing there is, the most boring thing there is. Stop the escapism, stop the endless thinking loops of meaninglessness, and start something of value in this unique reality. Why is this reality so special? Because there are endless possibilities, which means this is the only time you get to experience this particular reality. If you think this reality is meaningless, maybe consider that this is the only time you get to experience this one reality. Realizing infinity means that you realize the invaluable nature of this specific, one-of-a-kind reality. The great things that you achieve in the specific context of this reality will be infinitely more worthwhile than the realization of the ultimate truth that concerns all realities equally. The adventures and uncoverings of relative truth in this circumstantial reality are infinitely more valuable than ultimate truth. That is because they are infinitely unique as nothing else could ever be. Throw your full life into understanding this relative space and how to make it better. Leave behind existential questioning and spiritual ecstasy once you have gotten the message, because getting the message is only valuable in regards to applying it to the unique place you are situated in right now. Spiritual enlightenment for a relative entity is only worthwhile when it is combined with the relative workings of your current reality; how does the ultimate truth interact with the relative sphere you were imbued with? Sincerely Rob

@An young being You have a typo in your username

this place is fucked dude

Are you guys really this bitter? In a forum about enlightenment

Excuse me? What is it supposed to mean?

LOL! Why is everybody so aggressive? I thought it was a funny idea for a post

As you can see in the picture I uploaded, I tricked the spiritual Guru Leo Gura. He actually thought he was teaching a student, but in reality, he was fooled by his own projection! There was no student! His own mind was trying to fool him into believing there was any way of helping a student with a question, when in fact, this is one of the ways the mind tries to falsely anchor him in this reality. Just a reminder Leo, I created you. You were my idea all along! Don't act like there is any difference between us!

I'm really not trying to bother but doesn't there come something after this realization? Isn't it normal for nothingness to separate and try to become something else after it has arrived at absolution? I feel like you are overemphasizing the dissolution aspect over the creation aspect.

"I" likes "lies"

But don't you guys think that the relative and absolute perspective is equal? Of course, we have to look at it in truth, but why not also in lie? Maybe this part of the forum is only for Absoluteness and thats why Im confused

@Leo Gura I will be contemplating more

@Vibes All good

Always refreshing to hear your perspective@Leo Gura

@Leo Gura Look, the historical knowledge I have is obviously all in the now and was created 100% artificially by my mind. Yet, there exists a reality in which Napoleon is alive and it is equally as real as our reality. Just because it isn't happening at this moment doesn't mean anything, as everything happens simultaneously. Anyways, I'm starting to lose the thread, maybe this is your strategy