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Somehow, I think these two videos are telling the same story.

If you can imagine ourselves as mushrooms. Where each of us exists relatively but also as the mycelium just below the ground. Above the ground, everyone exists separately. Now, imagine mushrooms with their sense of identity. A pair of eyes and all. Experiencing others from their individual perspective. Imagine you are a mushroom with eyes. Now move below the ground and discover the mycelium level/dimension. Then again, Who are you?

You can start exploring with this verse nāntaḥ-prajñam, na bahiṣ prajñam, nobhayataḥ-prajñam na prajnañā-ghanam, na prajñam, nāprajñam; adṛṣtam, avyavahārayam, agrāhyam, alakṣaṇam, acintyam, avyapadeśyam, ekātma-pratyaya-sāram, prapañcopaśamam, śāntam, śivam, advaitam, caturtham manyante, sa ātmā, sa vijñeyaḥ. neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor the two together; not an indifferentiated mass of consciousness; neither knowing, nor unknowing; invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own Self; the coming to rest of all relative existence; utterly quiet; peaceful; blissful: And the attached diagram. This should keep you busy for a while.

That's what a human mind can deduce and theorize. But, I'm certain it's out of our range of understanding. The human mind has its limitation within the framework of modeling and playing to synthesize meaning out of meaninglessness. It's like playing with lego. But there has to be some lego blocks in existence to make something out of it. How would possibly a human mind construct any meaning of anything outside the boundary of this framework?

It's nice to see Leo drawing a line. Not everything can be turned into a piece of content. Beware of unearned wisdom - Carl Jung

So, 5 Meo DMT gives the insight to an individual that he/she is 'god' and he/she is 'reality'. In other words, he/she is the one who is creating his own reality. Everything he experiences is an illusion created by himself/herself and he is the creator of his/her own realm. Question: The subjects he/she is creating and experiencing seem to be experiencing their own illusion. So, is this world of illusion subjective and each conscious agent is having a separate illusion. Or is the illusion singular and all the conscious agents are plugged into the same illusory world. This question has been haunting me. Any insight will be helpful. BTW: I haven't experienced 5 Meo DMT. Thanks in advance.

@Gesundheit I have more interest in developing an understanding of something, which is verifiable and statistically coherent. We have great capabilities of building internal models based upon verifiable experiences. In short, making sense of it. Belief systems act and function otherwise. A human mind can only be convinced by statistical coherent modeling. Any belief is ultimately disbelieved by the mind. That is why I have no interest in going that way. That's a blind lane IMO. I understand some things fall in the segment of no-mind or modeling. I'm afraid, that is not something we can do anything about. Everything that is comprehensible is in the mind. Even theories of illusory perceptions, paradoxes, strange loops, and incompleteness theorem. Everything is happening in the mind, the thing that's is out of this mind, doesn't exist at all.

What I've gathered in the last few days is this. Seems like this perception is also an illusion. This 'way' of finding the connection (yog) is one of the many ways. An illusory perception nevertheless.

Thanks everyone for all the insights.

Sometimes I wonder if the human mind needs thousands of more years of evolution before it tries to deconstruct the objective truth. Right now the experience induced by DMT or other psychedelics contains way too much information that the human mind can comprehend. It seems that that is the target of evolution.

@Leo Gura I have access to psilocybin mushrooms. So far that's been THE tool for my explorations. But, explorations are resulting in more questions than answers.

@Leo Gura I wish I could get it somehow.

@Gesundheit Of course I have to believe in others as I'm lacking the first-hand experience. I was hoping that there is some consensus amongst the advanced researchers regarding this so that it makes more sense in believing.

Yes, belief or faith is something that can solve many unsolvable problems very easily. I'm not questioning the effectiveness and the truthfulness of a belief system. That's another topic. But it's very difficult to contemplate or do thought experiments like this based on that.

Neither do most of us. Would certainly love to hear the perceptions. If this is a dream, is this a shared dream?

The mind is quite capable of producing a finely tuned illusory world (in dreams this is evident). Also, it's capable of producing disassociative disorders that can form illusions of separate identities. All can be part of a whole system. Also, there can be a possibility of incomprehensible recursive and nested systems where all the reality-dreams are separate. So, is this reality singular and shared or individualistic?

FROM what I've gathered so far, objective reality is something like a low-level programming language, incomprehensible to the mind (mind-boggling). The mind interprets reality in a way that assists survival. Which is most probably an entirely false perception. This is the illusory world.