DocWatts

That is 100% not my point. This is about rejecting malicious viewpoints that are enabling real world violence, not about rejecting debate altogether. I regularly interact with people to both the Left and the Right of me in my advocacy work. That's not what this is about. If you knock down my door and point a gun at my face, whatever discussion we might have had is effectively over. Likewise, when a Secret Police force is given carte blanche to shoot civilians in the face, we're well past the point of civil discussion. To be frank, I don't give a flying fuck how ICE and its sympathisers rationalize it - the only thing I care about at this point is stopping it.

Taking a stand against ICE attrocities commits ICE attrocities. 10/10 reasoning there. "If she didn't want to be raped, she should have been nicer to her rapist."

I've never trafficked anyone to a concentration camp. Never shot fleeing civilian in the face and then called her a 'fucking bitch' as her lifeless body was slumped over the steering wheel If whatever form of myticism you're pursuing doesn't give you the moral clarity to call out the state sanctioned murder of an unarmed civilian, then I kindly ask that you keep your comments to yourself.

The one whose Gestapo agents are invading our cities and murdering civilians. What an asinine question.

Nazis are not worth hearing out. I will die on this hill. The most compassionate thing we can do is work to make sure that we don't all burn to death in the dumpster fire they started. NOT by treating malicious viewpoints as legitimate perspectives that are worthy of consideration and debate.

If you live in the States, VOTE IN THE DAMNED PRIMARIES. The only way we get these fascist collaborators out of office is through primaries, and the only way we get a Democratic Party that does what we want is through sustained public pressure. I've been hearing that AOC might issue a primary challenge to Chuck Schumer....

One 'side' here is using a paramilitary to kidnap and murder civilians, the other is coming out in nonviolent protest of these Gestapo tactics. ICE and its defenders are too far gone for any type of meaningful dialogue. The only question is how we're going to defend ourselves when Trump's Secret Police comes to kidnap and murder us. (Note: this does not necessarily entail violence, it can mean having lots and lots of people come out to document and disrupt ICE). MAGA is the American version of a Nazi movement. And just as in Germany, not all of its adherents are sociopaths - tens of millions of ordinary people have willingly allowed themselves to become tools of evil.

And not every viewpoint has something useful to contribute, which is why we don't need to give Nazis (and their American equivalents) a seat at the table. Malicious bullshit loves nothing more than to be treated as a legitimate perspective - the harm these viewpoints cause isn’t an unintended byproduct, but a deliberate strategy for achieving ends that honest methods can’t reach.

Then go meditate in a corner somewhere, and leave politics to the adults who are able to respond appropriately when a woman is murdered in cold blood by the American gestapo. This type of response is the perfect case study for why spiritual insights aren't indicative of wisdom in other domains. Ego transcendence doesn't mean you know crap about politics, or have advanced ethical insights - quite the opposite, from what I've been able to surmise from your response to a murder.

My point here is that treating ICE as 'law enforcement' is already ceding the narrative to fascists who want this behavior to be normalized. A police officer who shoots an unarmed woman in the face can be removed for misconduct, tried and potentially convicted for murder. ICE is intentionally put in cities like Minneapolis to incite violence. They're operating with the knowledge that they have absolute immunity for their actions - and that the atrocities they're committing are done under a veil of anonymity. I don't want ICE to be 'better at their jobs', I want Trump's Secret Police to be disbanded, its leaders and field agents to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for the harm that they're committing. There's nothing to 'save' about ICE, anymore than there was anything worth saving about Hitler's Brownshirts.

Don't cede the narrative. ICE is not law enforcement - they're a paramilitary that Trump is using to implement fascism within the United States. They are in Minneapolis to scare the shit out of people so that they'll give up their rights in advance, and to incite violence as a pretext for a military crackdown. End of story.

What the fuck are you talking about? A civilian was brutally executed by Trump's secret police, and all you can say is that she had a death wish? I'd expect this type of unhinged take on 4chan, not on what's supposed to be a Conscious Politics Forum. Do us all a favor and GTFO until you're able to engage in this space constructively.

The fact that anyone is willing to give Trump's secret police the benefit of the doubt for shooting a 37 year old mom in the face is disgusting, in and of itself.

Jonathan Ross. Remember his name. He murdered a 37 year old mother, shooting her in the face three times from point blank range in front of her house. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/08/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting

My sense is that the MAGA Cult is much closer to defending pedophilia than they are to admitting they've backed an irredeemable monster.