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My understanding is that while getting a single dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine might be comparable to the natural immunity you mention, the long term inoculation comes from the second dose administered a month later. (I'll admit upfront that I'm less knowledgeable about how the single dose J & J vaccine works, other than the fact that it's less effective at stopping someone from catching Covid than the two dose vaccines). So you're probably right that in the short term it's unlikely that a person who caught Covid will do so a second time over the next few weeks or months. But the disease hasn't been around long enough to know if just how long that natural immunity lasts. To my knowledge virtually no one who has gotten both doses of the vaccine has ended up dying from Covid (even in the very rare cases where a vaccinated person ended up catching it, thier symptoms were much, much less serious than an unvaccinated person). Trusting your own immune response to provide a comparable level of protection seems a risky proposition, given that we know that the vaccines are both effective and safe. No reason not to defer to epidemiologists on this one, especially given the intense level of scrutiny that these vaccines have been under. And while I'm not insensitive to wanting to know what's in the vaccine, do you apply that same level of scrutiny to the literally hundreds of compounds you put in to your body on a weekly basis? I know for a fact that most people don't, because there's literally not enough time to do extensive research on every bite of food you eat, or every over the counter medication you take. Which is why we have organizations like the CDC and the FDA, who have the time and resources to advise us and make sure things that make it to the public meet certain safety requirements.
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@vladorion The CDC is recommending that people that have caught Covid and recovered should still get the Vaccine (after waiting around 90 days or so). While recovering from Covid does offer some short term resistance to the virus, the vaccines were developed to train your immune system to mount a long term defense. Covid isn't like the chickenpox where it's a one and done deal, it's entirely possible to catch Covid a second time.
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Just got my first vaccine today. No noticeable side effects so far. Actually the most notable aspect of the whole experience was how incredibly well organized and hassle free getting the vaccine was. I think I may have been in and out of there in less time than it's taken me to get a prescription filled at a pharmacy. Almost as if it's easy to demonstrate that medical care can be delivered safely and efficiently through publicly funded mechanisms...
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Good list. And an additional point worth considering : The Anti-Semitic Conspiracy beliefs that formed the basis of Nazi ideology wasn't something that was new ot novel at time, but rather the logical endpoint of attitudes that were already prevalent in the United States and Europe. The anti-Semitism of Henry Ford in particular was something of an ideological inspiration for Hitler.
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@Hardkill The problem isn't that The Republicans are a Conservative political party; it's that the entire Party is composed of Bad Faith plutocrats with no interest in Governing, and no solutions to offer for any of the numerous issues that the country is facing. I may not like Conservative Democrats like Joe Manchin, but at the same I don't think he's in it just to enrich himself at the expense of the country. It's not hard to imagine a hypothetical healthy Conservative Party within the framework of a pluralistic Democracy, but it's sure as shit not the modern Republican party. There was an interesting article I came across from the Atlantic a while back that made a pretty convincing case the Republican Party is undergoing the same kind of rot that the Soviet Communist Party underwent in the 1970s and 1980s before the USSR's collapse. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/618132/
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@Roy Just because Dan Crenshaw served in the military doesn't make him a saint (or even a good person); fact is that he was happy to support Trump while he lied about the election being stolen, and to my knowledge didn't publicly criticize or break ties with Trump for facilitating the Jan. 6th Insurrection attempt. People who adopt a toxic life purpose probably do think that they're doing the right thing; but that doesn't mean they should be owed an elevated level of respect. If he was actually the Patriot he claims to be he wouldn't be enthusiastically supporting Republican efforts to undermine Democracy at every available opportunity. The district he comes from is one of the gerrymandered in the entire country (look up a map sometime, it's pretty staggering). The fact that he was wounded while serving in the military doesn't give him a free pass for a political career built around actively making the country a worse place to live, nor for his support of Republican Voter Suppression efforts. Not shitting on the military, as no doubt a great many Service Members join for idealistic and selfless reasons, but at the same time you can be wounded from military service while also being a toxic asshole.
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I like Vaush, but dumpster fire debates with Right Wingers for an audience that completely agrees with him is by far the least interesting content on his channel. I think Vaush is at his most engaging when he's pushing back against the online Left when they're being unreasonable, or offering a more nuanced take on a handful of socio-political topics (particularly when other online Leftists have been somewhat dismissive of said topics: his recent discussion about young men having difficulty forming social bonds and attracting sexual partners comes to mind).
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That's a reasonable concern. But the way you address that in my view is as part of a larger effort to make sure that workers are protected from arbitrary treatment by their employers.
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Is a company reprimanding/firing someone for overtly racist behavior any more unreasonable than that same person getting fired for sexual harassment? Both create a toxic environment that would potentially make other people feel unwelcome / unsafe, or at the very least excluded. I'm not opposed to what you mention about reform being preferable to retributive punishment, but fines seem like an incredibly clunky way to combat cultural attitudes that are deeply tied to individual/group psychology. And from what I understand Germany's Hate Speech Laws are a tiny tip of the iceberg of a larger cultural movement to de-Nazify the country. No way that would have been effective without the accompanying deep soul searching and nationwide truth and reconciliation efforts. Not to mention a widescale international effort to address the socio-economic and security issues that the Nazis were able to exploit in order to rise to power. While I'll grant that things like Hate Speech laws might make sense in some places such as Germany, here in America we haven't successfully come to terms with our legacy of racism to anywhere close to the same extent as Germany. A guy whose political base included White Supremacists won 70 million Votes in our last election. Attempting to police racist behaviors without a much larger effort to address widescale societal attitudes is almost certain to not work.
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Seems like social ostracization (including being reprimanded/fired from your job) for overtly racist behavior is a better way of handling this issue than attempting to use Law Enforcement or the Judicial System to police the speech of private citizens. Not every negative social behavior is best dealt with using the punitive arm of the State. The collective ego backlash of such an attempt should be enough to pause to consider the unintended consequences that are likely to arise. Has an attempt been made to means test Hate Speech laws to see if it's actually an effective way of curbing harm towards the people its intending to protect?
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DocWatts replied to Milos Uzelac's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Husseinisdoingfine For sure. It's all about how your frame the discussion around these issues. 'Radicalizing' people is always going to be context dependent; and for someone tied to the sinking ship of Late Stage Industrial Capitalism, ideas like workplace Democracy may seem 'Radical' if the person making that judgement call earns a living from running a business with highly exploitative labor practices. For most ordinary people, the idea of giving workers a say in how their business is run can come across as very reasonable, depending on how its pitched. If the person making the argument uses highly combative language and emphasizes that this is part of a larger push to change everything about society, it's likely to scare people off who might otherwise be sympathetic to your aims. On the other hand, if it's framed as an extension of values that person already believes (Democracy, fairness, autonomy, financially rewarding hard work), you'll have a much easier time of it. Ideally, for these sorts of idea to gain any traction at all in the wider population, workplace Democracy should be seen as American as Apple Pie, and an extension of the ideals of this country. If you look to previous efforts to move society forward (be it the New Deal or Civil Rights advances), that's exactly how they were able to gain enough traction to become successful. It should be easy to speak about it in non-abstract, concrete terms that your grandparents could understand. I also think it's worth emphasizing that it doesn't have to be an all or nothing affair, there are various gradients of Socialism and Social Democracy. I think of myself as someone who's highly sympathetic to the motivations and intentions behind (Libertarian) Socialism, and see it largely as an empirical question as to where things like decomodification and extensions of Democracy make sense, and what some pragmatic approaches for implementing these ideas might look like. -
DocWatts replied to Milos Uzelac's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Milos Uzelac Thanks. So I do think you make some very valid observations about the fact that Bad Actors have intentionally worked to make 'radicalization' a pejorative, for the purposes of discrediting a number of very reasonable and pragmatic policy platforms (including everything from the Green New Deal to a Living Wage Legislation in the US). That said, in order to get anything passed using democratic methods requires a majority (or in some systems a plurality) of people within a country to support a given piece of Legislation; or if not supporting it, at least not being strongly opposed to it. And for most ordinary people most of the time, saying that someone has become 'Radicalized' has strong negative connotations to it. For a typical person in America, mentions of 'Radicalization' may bring to mind: QAnon Conspiracists Islamic Terrorists Neo Nazis / White Supremacists Marxist Revolutionaries Domestic Terrorists In other words, not the sorts of things you probably want associated with a movement that at its heart wants to expand democracy, reduce economic exploitation, and promote sustainable development. Sure I suppose you could work very, very hard and spend a ton of time trying to reclaim that Label from these negative connotations, but why bother? Assuming the end results are what you care about, why not take the less difficult path to get there? -
DocWatts replied to Milos Uzelac's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Milos Uzelac A few things: (1) Socialism is going to have an easier time operating and pushing for things like workplace Democracy and Decommodification within a Social Democracy than it would within the more Capitalist system that qe have today. Once people see that 'Leftist' policy positions work and 'Socialist' is no longer used a pejorative, people won't as afraid of experimenting with reforms that empower workers. (2) Third Parties are great in concept and something I wish that our system made room for, but until major Electoral reforms are enacted (such as Ranked Choice Voting), Third Parties unfortunately don't stand much of a chance. Changing the Two Major Parties from within has proven to be how you actually successfully advocate for Reforms our system. For the record, I'd probably vote for the Green Party if Third Parties were viable in our system; but as things stand, getting more Progressives and Social Democrats elected to the Democratic Party is the most realistic avenue for change. (3) Just my personal opinion, but I think Leftists would be better off dropping this language of 'radicalizing' people. It's on us to convince people that policies we advocate for are the more Reasonable position. Treating Health Care as a Human Right in the richest country in the world, or giving workers a voice in how thier workplaces are run, aren't far fetched utopian ideals and shouldn't be treated as such. Using the language of Radicalization only serves to make these ideas seem scary to people who might otherwise support said reforms. -
DocWatts replied to Milos Uzelac's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Fact is that Bernie or AOC are about as far Left as you can go under a Two Party System while staying Electable. And they've proved more successful in shifting the Overton window Left towards Social Democracy than any Third Party or Socialist Advocacy group in America. Try running a Socialist candidate (not a Social Democrat like AOC or Bernie, but an actual Socialist) and see how far that gets you. Even Green Party candidates like Ralph Nader are much closer to being Social Democrats than Socialists. -
DocWatts replied to Milos Uzelac's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Whenever I see naive Leftists criticizing the handful of successful Social Democrats who are actually advocating for thier professed Values: -
DocWatts replied to The_Truth_Seeker's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
The idea that poor people living in countries like the US are Materially better off than 17th Century Monarchs, while not untrue, is a rationale that's been Weaponized against poor people and used to undermine the lived experience of Poverty. And it's usually employed by people who are directly benefiting from exploitative socio-economic systems set up for thier own benefit. Yes, King George or Thomas Jefferson didn't have access to an iPhone or a Nintendo Switch, but that's an incredibly Reductionist way of looking at it. Study after study has shown that the stresses of Poverty damages people's emotional Health and psychological well being. In places like the US, the poor have a lower life expectancy (around 10 years less than middle class or wealthy people). The poor also spend much more of thier time being demeaned and dehumanized, and bear the brunt of exploitative labor practices in out socio-economic system. The poor routinely have thier political rights violated due to Voting Suppression efforts targeted at them. They are much more likely to be overpoliced, and to end up in our Prison System where a bevy of Human Rights abuses awaits them. On top of all that in places like the US there's a negative social stigma attached to be poor; namely that you're lazy and thus deserve to be poor. Which is the equivalent of a a schoolyard bully punching you in the face, and saying 'why are you hitting yourself?, -
Given the choice between abandoning an unpopular Policy Platform or abandoning Democracy, in almost every instance Republicans have chosen to throw Democracy under the bus rather than modify their ideology so that they can win elections. In the long run it's a losing strategy, but they sure as Hell have the ability to harm a ton of people before they finally become irrelevant.
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DocWatts replied to The_Truth_Seeker's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Because the socio-economic strata that a person ends up at is largely due to a compounding series of advantages and disadvantages that begin accumulating from birth. And because hard work is not enough to better your circumstances without also having access to Social Capitol, which is in large part determined by the circumstances you were born in to. In a country like the US, only %30 of people born into poverty succeed in making it to the middle class. -
https://theconversation.com/many-qanon-followers-report-having-mental-health-diagnoses-157299 Some necessary Context: this is based upon the people so far who have been arrested for their role in the Jan. 6th Insurrection, rather than a nationwide Survey of people who would identify as QAnon supporters. The results are striking : %68 of those in custody have reported being diagnosed with a Mental Illness such as post-traumatic stress disorder, bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia and Munchausen syndrome. For contrast, that number is %19 for all Americans. This isn't something that's really that surprising based upon my own face to face interactions with the handful of people who were sucked down the QAnon conspiracy rabbit hole, with every QAnon'er I've personally known being emotionally unbalanced and displaying symptoms of mental illness (such as schizophrenia), or were having trouble coping with awful circumstances that were making their lives very difficult. While this isn't surprising, I do wonder why we don't see this talked about more. While it doesn't excuse their actions, many of them are very clearly damaged people. And this is yet another good illustration of why we need to cultivate more compassion with society, and develop better support structures for people Otherwise the legions of embittered, alienated people that will find other, malignant avenues to cope with their mental and emotional trauma.
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If the question is an actual attempt to understand why different parts of the world developed differently (rather than a masked attempt to sneak in ethnocentric rhetoric), you'll find a pretty comprehensive answer to that question in Guns, Germs, and Steel.
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Just to be clear, I wasn't implying that happiness is something exclusive to middle class people living in Developed Countries. I would be confident in asserting that someone from an indigenous tribal culture in a place like Papua New Guinea is generally going to be happier than someone who's spent the last ten years of thier life working at Wal-Mart (even if they are in some ways Materially better off than the person from Papua New Guinea). Clearly societal expectations are going to play a big role here, with Tribal societies offering cradle to grave security as well the much deeper interpersonal relationships that come from being part of a community. Unfortunately people living in Poverty in more developed places like the US kind of have the worst of both worlds. Which is to say that they are subjected to the stressful and dehumanizing aspects of trying to meet thier survival needs in a society that doesn't care about or value them, without the same kind of communal support structures to provide them with a sense of meaning and belonging. Hence why we're seeing so many alienated, bitter, and lonely people in places like the US. In Industrialized Societies, ascending the socio-economic Totem Pole means becoming less vulnerable to being exploited, and spending less time and energy on having to meet Survival Needs in demeaning ways that are disconnected from what that person cares about.
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If you find yourself basically agreeing with almost every point that Leo makes in his videos, that more or less means you're not engaging with the ideas being presented in a Critical and Engaged way. If there's a general through line for most of the content from Leo's channel is that it's meant to challenge your perspective and worldview in rather fundamental ways. You probably shouldn't be agreeing with everything that's presented to you. It's that's not the case, you might want to take a break from actualized.org content, read a few books, get some other Perspectives. If one person is your fulcrum for your Perspective on Reality, that's a precarious position to be in, even if that individual is highly Knowledgeable and has benign intentions.
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Saying that money doesn't buy happiness is just patently false when people's basic Survival needs in an Industrial or Post Industrial society are secured almost exclusively with money. Money is Freedom in our Society. Almost any problem that a person may run in to in this life will be made worse without access to financial resources. Here's just a few examples that cover a wide range of life scenarios: Physical, mental, or emotional Health problems are much harder to manage when you're poor Interpersonal relationships become harder to maintain when one or both parties are consistently dealing with stress that comes from financial instability. Employment at lowers levels of income tends to be less intellectually and emotionally fulfilling Poverty damages people psychologically in empirically verifiable ways, leading to insecure attachments throughout one's life, and difficulty with long term planning and decision making. Just look to the number of Lottery Winners who end up broke after a few years for an illustration of this. Personal Time to pursue one's Self Actualization goals, and live their life in an Authentic Way, is secured almost exclusively with money While it's true that there are eventual diminishing returns once an Individual earns a set amount of Income over and above what they need to meet their needs (I've seen studies which show this to be anywhere from around $90k a year to $120k year), in general you don't see people who've had actual experience with Poverty repeating the silly notion that "money doesn't buy happiness".
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In addition to the Libertarian roots of the country, something also to consider is that America is a much more socially fragmented country than somewhere like the UK, where an emotional regime of fear and mistrust is still very much prevalent here. The modern root of this comes from Social Conditions within the US, where massive levels of inequality and a declining standard of living have imprinted a scarcity mindset on to much of the population. You could see this at play when the pandemic first broke out here, where the supermarket shelves were empty because frightened people were hoarding things like toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Add to this that Bad Actors in government and the media have exacerbated social divisions within the country, with low levels of solidarity and social trust as a result. Gun Manufacturers have contributed to this in intentional ways, as they are in a position to capitalize upon societal trends of paranoia and mistrust.
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If we were designing the system from the ground up, something like what you're describing would be a workable and sane system. Problem is that things have gotten so bad in the US that there's more guns than there are people. Recalling literally hundreds of millions of guns isn't something that's even remotely feasible; and that's leaving aside that tens of millions of people here equate to thier "right" to own a small arsenal with freedom of speech or freedom of religion, and cling to Gun Culture every bit as much as religious folks cling to their Holy Texts. The intractability of this problem will take Generations to solve, because of how inextricably it's intertwined with a host of other systemic problems within the US.