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@Leo Gura This is more of a helping hand, thanks.

@peachboy Thanks, this was beautiful, resonated with me. I know my question is impossible in a way, but I love the answers I get so far, very diverse. Can you elaborate on the infinite can only know the infinite? Isn't the finite mind and ego known by infinite consciousness? The blind fold analogy didn't really catch me.

@Someone here Im am in the “waking state dream” right now. How i know? i can't get lucid and start flying here as i can in dreams at night. The waking dream has its own laws, while the “night dream” has its own. That's how i seperate them. I'm sure you too can see the difference in these two states. You know when you're in the “waking dream state”. (We are in it right now). It might be hard if you're not lucid to tell if you're in the “night dream state” but nevertheless it's revealed upon “waking up” to the “waking dream”.

@allislove Thanks man, well put. This resonates with me as well

@Corpus This! Thanks for putting it into words.

@Vittorio Thanks for replying. Yes, I said in my post I've been doing psychedelics (didn't tell which ones) though. But I can elaborate; LSD, mushrooms and DMT is what I've been doing. But for sure interested in 5 MeO and Nn DMT. As to contemplating, I've been doing much (maybe and obviously not enough, haha). I've been studying vedanta for about 7 years which includes a lot of contemplation. That's why I included it in the post as well. Most of all I love discussing these things. And love seeing other people's conclusions. Many are different, some resonates, some don't.

@Someone here This is the kind of answer I'm looking for, love it. But i've been through this. The dream metaphor has very big limits. The other people in a dream at night are not themself the dreamer which I can confirm upon awakening to the “waking state” which I agree with you also is a dream. This analogy is a bit too much solipsism. The other people in a dream are just “props” of the dreamed world without subjective experience. At least what I can confirm. In the “waking” dream. You and me. We both have subjective experiences.

@Leo Gura Then start with this; "You're not going to get it through explanation. Which is why I don't bother." You did bother in the beginning though. You were “explaining” while fully knowing i wouldn't get it through explanation? This is why I say you come off as pretentious. Would love a detailed explanation coming from you, even if I wouldn't understand it. I'm not expecting one but it would be super interesting to see how you see it. How the one Consciousness can “seem” to split up into many imaginations, with separate experiences/perceptions. I think you know what I'm pointing at. Maybe it's super ignorant, but It is what it is.

@Leo Gura I can see you have not been reading through the thread. We have already gone through that this is all an imagination, and it isn't helpful at my level of understanding. At least it does not clear out this one confusion that is present. If you really want to give a helping hand here, please try to see where my confusion lies. Take me step by step. Telling a guy; "You're not getting it!" “it's all an imagination” without reading through previous answers seems just pretentious. Would instead love your step by step explanation to get me to the understanding.

Can't see it, seems like there should be an easier explanation, but so far none have untied this knot for me. You said this: “You are conscious of all minds simultaneously but it takes different forms.” Can you elaborate on this maybe?

@Gesundheit Ok, perception is imagination. This i know. What do i do with this information?

@Osaid Thanks for the reply! You say; “If I was God and I wanted to become a dog, I would not allow that dog to look into other minds because that is not what dogs are supposed to do.” I say; That dog's mind is made out of consciousness. Not just a product of, actually made out of the “substance” consciousness. That consciousness is knowing. Now, the dog looking into another mind sounds wrong. What I'm saying is: That which is aware of the dog's mind (infinite consciousness) should be aware of other minds simultaneously.

@Gesundheit I don't know if you're trying to get style points or what is happening. If you really want to help me please try to come down to my level. For me you seem a bit far out with these explanations, and i think you're smarter than this and can see where my confusion or level of understanding lies (maybe i'm wrong) Most likely I'm not at that level of understanding yet, and it's a bit too far of a gap to make it possible for me to understand with your explanations so far. Thanks anyway for trying, i mean it

@Gesundheit Yes, I would want to directly perceive it. That would fit into being infinite consciousness. Then by this reasoning you are imagining me too? You're imagining a guy at a forum and telling him he is imagining stuff? Then there are two imaginations going on, I'm only directly aware of one. While the infinite consciousness is conscious of both. Only one imagination is a direct present for me.

@Harikrishnan I agree but then you are imagining that you are telling a guy at a forum that he is only imagining this. There are now “two” imaginations going on simultaneously. Why am I not aware of both?