Andrey_U

Hello everyone! I recently started my journey to enlightenment, practicing meditation few times a day. I believe that I already have some progress, but I feel I kind of stuck. Due my only one month of experience of awareness I'm not confident if I'm doing my meditations right, and due corona-virus situation it's hard to just go to local temple or meditation center to ask someone. Leo makes such a great and phenomenal thing that I don't even have a words to describe this, but at the same time I feel like everyone needs a personal Guru or "next level" friend who can guide you and answer dummy questions. I would be so thankful if someone more experienced can guide me. I searched youtube and Internet for different meditation practices, but most of them works with "energy" and other non rational stuff like imagining some kind of sphere of yellow energy passing your body through certain places and etc. When I enter meditation state guided by Leo, and when I finally feel my real Me (I), I can feel some kind of unite with surroundings. Is that it? Do I just have to stay in this state and enjoy seeing my real self or there is another step forward? Or if I do another meditation for focus and concentration, I can focus on certain feeling like pressure of my fingers for less then a minute which brings me to this awareness state, do I just have to keep focusing as much as I can or there is other places where my mind(awareness) can travel and explore? How can you describe your state as experienced meditator? What you feel? Thank you for any answers, links or book/articles suggestions! Peace!

@Unseeking Seeker Yes, I just realized it yesterday. Before I only muted inner voice with force, but after @rav explained how it should be, I tried disassociate Me(I assume that was an ego) from my real instance. And that worked better

@rav WOOW, I just tried that on a lunch break (what I've probably shouldn't do) and I saw/felt no-me for less then a minute, I was like a silent , blind observer. I couldn't understand what is Leo talking about in his enlightenment videos about no me until now. That changes everything, it slammed me harder then a hammer. I didn't feel that even during magic shrooms trip. Is it ok that all people become look differently? So many questions... What is next? What you did after that?

@rav Wow that is actually a mind blowing advise . I just felt like was never conscious all this month I thought I was, because I was waiting for something that just hit my head after n-hours of meditation. You are right I got used to the approach where if you want to reach something you just work harder and you do it more often. It is completely different, I think I need a few months to partially realize that and get used to a new level of being. Funny thing that sometimes I'm trying to describe my new experience to my friends, and I quickly stuck with a lack of words that can help me explain what I felt like, and just end this with a word: "Sorry there is no word to explain this state, you just have to try by your own" And then I'm starting to convince them that they should try, but I see they are listening but not hearing, Which actually brings me to another question: Have you ever experienced such a thing (I'm sure you did) when you spent some days with your own, meditating a lot, your ego goes down a little, you get a better perception to everything, peace and calm, and suddenly there is a weekends, you go hang out with your old friends which start gossiping, fight, arguing stupid things (don't get me wrong I respect my friend needs) and then you feel like all of these start pulling you in, and in a few minutes later you awakening, find yourself gossiping about someone you barely know, your ego rise again, big and shiny, and you become mad on your self. If you had some kind of this situation, what is your way to deal with it? Thank you so much, you answers very helpful to me.

@black_math49 This is a good point, thank you. I will definitely try it on my lunch meditation. Was only trying to see the root of common thought like, what I am doing tomorrow, or why my old mate ego is so huge). But never considered inner voice as another thought. Thank you for advise.

@Waken Thank you so much! Such a great resources, I would probable spend no less then a year by my own to find these places. By the way, Sadhguru was my first inspirer who motivated me to start discovering myself, I think he sometimes gets bored of the primitive questions people ask on his lectures, from how he is laughing if question was too ordinary. About holotropic breathwork: I recently started practicing Wim Hof approach to that, which also brought me to Tummo meditation that I'm gonna try very soon I like how everything started unwrapping layer by layer, and when expecting to find the answer for one of you questions, you just get more questions and more work to do, Sometimes it confuses, but in the good way when you realize, how I could be happy without knowing all of these.

@black_math49 Very interesting thought, observe how most of the thoughts gets born. It's very hard to shut up inside voice, it always talking or somehow bothering. Any advise how to make it quite? Thank you.

@Waken Can you bring at least a few that work better for you? Since I'm a very beginner, I don't know much about everything that is available, but I'm fully open for new ideas. Thank you.

@cobalto Thank you for asking, I had a great experience these weekends. I asked people in Trip-Report thread, but it seems to be not very populated these days, so I want to ask the same question here if anybody know the answer. Sorry for copy-paste, but it's hard to describe in other words: Hello everyone, please help me identify my state under magic shrooms trip. That how it was: me and my friends (3 of us and small bag of magic) went camping with other people who roughly believe in alcohol intoxication (if you know what I meant) But we knew, despite our controversial point of view with those people, this is gonna work. So, the other day we consumed little magic and started having wonderful chatting with people who was consuming alcohol, funny thing that 3 of us set tents aside of main group, so we were kind of separate camp, but by the end of the evening the rest of the group (about 20 people) gathered around our small camp fire, though they had their own huge camp fire with lots of food, tables, alcohol (To make this clear, we are not this type of persons who can attract people by anything in a regular time at all). I believe that everyone who passed our separate camp by, was attracted by compassion, acceptance, sincere listening summoned in us by "magic". First it happen when I suddenly decided to meditate near campfire between those people who were chatting in small groups, trying to feel all of their emotions that they were exposing. After half of the minute the greatest joy/happiness (I'm not sure if these are the right words for this feeling) started filling my head so my face got the widest smile I ever had and tears start running, so I had to hide my face in palms so no one bother me with questions what is happening with me. And then I had giant explode in my head, it was kind of orgasm, but not the one you have with sex, more like psychological, along with strongest hallucinations I ever had. It was short, maybe less then a minute, so I just came back to my friends and continued conversation when it was over. No one even admit that. I had 1 more "orgasm" later, same strength, but the most significant was the last one: closer to noon time I left our campfire taking little walk to a river, I sat down the rock and started meditating but with eyes open, now imagine - fool moon gives enough light to see everything, calm wide river, and black stripe of pine forest on other bank below the shining moon. It came up immediately after I focused on sounds of nature and the whole picture, the world, the whole existence started breaking on small particles looked like snowflakes that begun unfold infinitely, then I've got one more psychological orgasm along with strong understanding that the "God" is in every particle of our existence (I'm atheist by the way) and that I thought about "God" too literally before, so this is not a guy on the sky with white beard watching us, but just a different, unknown matter/instance/substance, I don't know. It was so powerful! I'll remember it my whole life. Please help me to understand what is that, how it called, what does it meant? Each of us took less then a 2 gram of shrooms, after lunch (this was a big mistake) and I smoked small joint after 2 hours. Thanks to everyone, peace!

@Marten Are you talking about imaginary world that our sub-consciousness build around us to protect?

@rav I like your point of view. But how you going to become enlightened if you just float down the stream with no consciousness? I'm not talking about progress literally, like if I was pumping my muscles to be able lift more weight tomorrow or run further, but more like sphere, which increase it's surface as it become bigger so it has larger area for perception or more deep and precise perception. For instance you can feel your heart beat or even manage it's rate. On the background of my mind I understand that you are right, many times I caught my mind flouncing if I don't reach meditative state in a certain time so it starts trying different approaches within few minutes to finally reach this state. Maybe that's why it takes about 10 (subjective) minutes to just relax and feel the flow. Can you describe your meditative process in details? After you sat down and reached calm, where you direct your mind then?

Hello everyone, please help me identify my state under magic shrooms trip. That how it was: me and my friends (3 of us and small bag of magic) went camping with other people who roughly believe in alcohol intoxication (if you know what I meant) But we knew, despite our controversial point of view with those people, this is gonna work. So, the other day we consumed little magic and started having wonderful chatting with people who was consuming alcohol, funny thing that 3 of us set tents aside of main group, so we were kind of separate camp, but by the end of the evening the rest of the group (about 20 people) gathered around our small camp fire, though they had their own huge camp fire with lots of food, tables, alcohol (To make this clear, we are not this type of persons who can attract people by anything in a regular time at all). I believe that everyone who passed our separate camp by, was attracted by compassion, acceptance, sincere listening summoned in us by "magic". First it happen when I suddenly decided to meditate near campfire between those people who were chatting in small groups, trying to feel all of their emotions that they were exposing. After half of the minute the greatest joy/happiness (I'm not sure if these are the right words for this feeling) started filling my head so my face got the widest smile I ever had and tears start running, so I had to hide my face in palms so no one bother me with questions what is happening with me. And then I had giant explode in my head, it was kind of orgasm, but not the one you have with sex, more like psychological, along with strongest hallucinations I ever had. It was short, maybe less then a minute, so I just came back to my friends and continued conversation when it was over. No one even admit that. I had 1 more "orgasm" later, same strength, but the most significant was the last one: closer to noon time I left our campfire taking little walk to a river, I sat down the rock and started meditating but with eyes open, now imagine - fool moon gives enough light to see everything, calm wide river, and black stripe of pine forest on other bank below the shining moon. It came up immediately after I focused on sounds of nature and the whole picture, the world, the whole existence started breaking on small particles looked like snowflakes that begun unfold infinitely, then I've got one more psychological orgasm along with strong understanding that the "God" is in every particle of our existence (I'm atheist by the way) and that I thought about "God" too literally before, so this is not a guy on the sky with white beard watching us, but just a different, unknown matter/instance/substance, I don't know. It was so powerful! I'll remember it my whole life. Please help me to understand what is that, how it called, what does it meant? Each of us took less then a 2 gram of shrooms, after lunch (this was a big mistake) and I smoked small joint after 2 hours. Thanks to everyone, peace! Sorry for my language, I'm not from this country.

@Marten @allislove @Meta-Man Thank you all, gentlemens, you just dissolved my worries. Yesterday, actually, I found focus meditation most efficient, somehow it develops specific calm, people acceptance, and what Wim Hof(Iceman) says - I feel that every cell in my body opening to get a new knowledge. I only felt it during shrooms trip(But it was much powerful) I still can't believe this is happening to me, and sometimes I worry that it might be just a self-hypnosis.