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Should be a good one. Unfortunately, it won't be out until Apr 2024.. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/729741/finding-radical-wholeness-by-ken-wilber/

@integration journeyYeah, it's a must read if you are serious about spirituality - especially mysticism. There's a lot of important details of the dysfunctions and pathologies of the higher states/stages.

Text for sure! Or both, especially if there's some of your juicy insights along with the video.

Yeah... fair enough.

According to Jamie Wheal, there are bunch of silicon valley entrepreneurs and such who use psychedelics and meditative practices to enhance creativity and productivity etc. While this isn't mystical in any metaphysical sense, could this be concidered something like Orange mysticism? At Orange, one could see creative business operations as a spiritual practice, I suppose.

Stage Red "strongman" could be a legitimate leader in a specific chaotic Stage Red society, but that's not something suited in the context of American- or international political contexts. That's just pure regression. Majority of people globally and in America are somewhere between Blue and Orange, not Red. And again, like Leo said above, Trump would not even be an effective Stage Red dictator, even if there was a legitimacy for that in American context. I think USA, and in large part, the whole world is having a some sort of legitimation crisis. What America (and world) needs is a political transformation - more authentic (developed) leaders and cultural meaning-making systems. The world is chaotic right now, there are conflicts and environmental issues etc., but Trump is not the one who can provide wholeness to that chaos. Trump is just a ego-backlash to that legitimation crisis.

Yeah, thats why I said "is this a good way to conceptualize it", not "is this the correct explanation" of said phenomena.

Would Bernardo Kastrup's filter hypothesis be a good way to conceptualize this? So the brain/body is a filtering or localisation mechanism inside the mind at large (God). The brain localizes Infinite consciousness, leading to a finite and specific perspective or form/structure of consciousness. So according to this, the genes do have a derivative relationship with intelligence and potential for development of the individual filtered mind, but they are still a construction of the "mind at large".

What are the positive and negative consequences, or virtues and pathologies of pomo. Not just philosophically or epistemicly, but in a cultural space (cinema, media, art, architecture, science, political movements etc.) Is postmodern art just self-aware, pretentious, taping banana to the wall type of business, or is there something more profound and beautiful going on? Is pomo able to integrate authentic spirituality into culture? Is it holistic and meta enough to do that, or is something like integral or metamodernity needed here?

Could we all as a human race just watch this video right here and contemplate it for 10 years, and then come back to solve this mess with a multiperspectival, turquoise, meta-interprative, holistic God consciousness? Thanks!

Hanzi Freinacht: Nordic Ideology (Politics) Jamie Wheal: Recapture the Fracture (Spirituality, Culture/Meaning Crisis, Self-Help) Keith Witt: Loving Completely (Relationships, Dating) Ken Wilber: Any

How it "actually" is, I'd say, is the integration or inclusion of everything you ultimately are, which some might say is Infinity. (or negation of everything you aren't, which is also Infinity) But I'm not really qualified to talk about that. But in the relative domain, no symbol or concept represents how/what anything actually is. So there is no escaping the relative nature of defining sex & gender.

IMO the line drawing has to do with some kind of integration of different perspectives. Green/postmodernism tends to just dissociate "objective" or biological dimensions in reaction against (pre)modernist tendency to reduce and ground everything to external dimensions or harmful hierarchical social regimes. Integrative way would be to see and accept all perspectives (subjective, objective, intersubjective & interobjective etc.) contextually as a valid and important domains. There are areas in which exterior features matter more than the interior ones, and vice versa. It remains open to discussion that what perspective(s) should be privileged and in which context. I don't think there are clear lines in this matter. The adequacy of notions of gender/identity/sex are dependent on the cultural and developmental context.

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Very Red of you to demonize Green this much

He talks about this alot:

Basically all of Wilbers works outlines the basics of Integral Theory - the stages of growing up, the states of waking up etc.. before going into the actual topic of the book, so everybody can grasp it. This book seems to be no exception, the topic now being Wholeness viewed through AQAL (all quadrants, all levels..) lens, and the practical dimensions of it. You can basically skip through the intro parts, if you're familiar with the tenets of IT already.

Imagine feeding all of the Leos content for AI and making a custom Alien-God-mind-bot. That would guarantee some interesting convos while tripping for sure.

@Chadders Yeah, but it's even deeper than that. It's not the content of spiritual policies or their purity, but the structure of the larger society that supports them (the level of development of the population and correlating infrastructure) Without the proper development of the masses, I don't think any form of collective spirituality - however pure, would suffice in the face of all the bullshit and biased survival games, which also seem to be infinite.

Incorporating authentic spirituality in politics would require a whole lot of other political processes to keep it from turning into ideological hot mess. I think the six metamodern political processes described by Hanzi Freinacht in Nordic Ideology, provides some valuable frameworks for starters. Here's a Google Gemini's short desctiptions of them; With spirituality you are able to penetrate all the way to the deepest parts of peoples consciousness, which in the wrong hands and without control becomes potentially very dangerous. So we would definitely need to have stronger and more transparent/conscious political systems in place to support such a deep practices and information. Or else it will just devolve into another religion. It would need to be build on top of modern and post-modern politics!

For increasing self-awareness I would recommend using the daily notes for journaling etc. I have created a sort of an wisdom distillation process with it, by having certain sections of daily notes - like daily reflections show up automatically in weekly notes, then after the week I can look at- and reflect on those in the weekly "meta view" section. Those weekly insights will then collect to monthly notes, and monthly insights to yearly notes. So I can look at my life from a "meta-meta-meta" perspective and see big trends and insights emerge. You can also collect all kinds of data, or track habbits in a similar way, if you like that sort of stuf. There is endless possibilities in customising these systems, but be carefull not to put the tools before the goals.

Bernardos reflections on the matter: https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2023/10/my-unfortunate-attempt-at-debating-tim.html

His point is simply that - let's say a stage blue nondual awakening is not as full as a turquoise one. You can't awaken to a "reality" you are not yet conscious of - it just flies over your head. How is this pointless?

I'm not sure if Leo is talking about states- or stages of consciousness (or both) here, but even if it was stages of cognitive and moral development (wich SD is mapping) I believe alien mind is way beyond the scope of SD. The authors of SD are at like blue-orange range I think - so they don't have a clue about this stuff. Matter of fact, if we take his word for granted - pretty much nobody does.

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