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@Globalcollective I live in Brussels where people are quite cold and reserved. Cold approaching on street, especailly during COVID is a nono. I would like to go to bars and clubs but they will be closed from tomorrow so yeah. I am a student but rn i am working (no girls at work) and our classes are online, so i cannot go on campus. I was thinking of online dating, cannot see any other avenue. Maybe cold approach in the gym since i workout regulary but i almost never see any girls my age in the gym, its 80 percent guys and older women. Any advice?,

@Leo Gura Do not forget looks, maybe the easiest one to levrage if you have it

@Preety_India Because most guys just want sex and girls get sex easily. They ignore the other part because they do not care about it. Projection 101

@Preety_India LOL I have had girls saying the same shit as you did right now, saying later they did not have feelings but loved me a person. Girls i really liked. It breaks your hurt but forces you to grow. If i met you then you would be saying the same. No player traits=no attraction unless you find me super good looking which by default most girls would not (im decent looking but not a model ofc so). By player traits i do not mean being a dick, just the stuff you already mentioned on the comments above that got you wet for that guy Appreciate the kind words though

@Preety_India Well i am percieved by society is kind caring smart hard working and independent. However girls do not care about that and i get 0 attraction from them. Therefore i am not forced to adopt some player traits which will make me "unconscious" according to you. If girls picked guys based on "traits that make you a good partner" then you would not have to make this post at all. It is the traits you prefer to pick that forces guys to become more player like (leo included). Do not i deserve love? I would never abuse a girl but they do not care about that. They want the fun asshole that will so its their problem. I am not blaming them for what they like, its their choice. But dont start acting like victims about it please. I am not talking about you personally here, just most girls in general. I see this as a trend where girls pick assholes, get treated bad and start crying about it. Pick the good guys and no harm will be done. But you are not attracted to them so we are forced to become more player like now. I have guy friends that LITERALLY get friend zoned when they are kind and caring to the girl and get the girl when they are dicks to her. It is not a coincidence

Because people do not give a shit about the struggles of others unless they experience it themselves. You expect a girl that gets 10 guys approaching her a month to understand how it feels like to have nobody approach you and wanting to go out with you? Her brain cannot process it. Just like you cannot process the kind of issues starving childreen in Somalia have to deal with. Even if you can, that is because you are highly developed and aware hence being on this forum. The average person living in a rich country cannot

@Leo Gura Could you please define what "high value" is a for a guy? You use words like being edgy, but what does edgy actually mean? I do not really see any of my friends being "edgy" and they still get decent girls. Maybe confidence humor and non neediness is all you need these days (good sex too hehe)

@Leo Gura Yes guys are picky too. They want a honest, caring, smart, cute girl that takes care of herself. They do not want supermodels or anything that extreme, they will take it of course if given. But that is not what they are shopping for.

@Globalcollective How would you reccommend to start if bars and clubs are closed due to COVID and you live in a country where cold approach in the street is seen as something very very weird due to the culture being very closed and reserved.

Due to COVID social distancing i am thinking of making some dating app accounts (on top of other stuff) and i would be curious to know your guys experiences. I am a bit judgmental when it comes to the girls that use dating apps. I say it in the way that if i girl is cool pretty and kind then she should have no problem getting a relationship from everyday life. Most girls tend to be rather social so social circle, university, work should be enough for high quality girls. Even if they tend to be more shy and not prefer to go in bars and clubs often, still they usually can use the windows above to find someone. Therefore i feel like the girls that use these apps tend to either be unattractive or have shitty personalities. I am talking about apps in general so not just tinder. OK cupid, bumble, hinge etc etc. I want to know the girls that you guys met from these apps, or if you are a girl, how would you describe the females you know that use these apps.

@Leo Gura I wanted to start cold approaching in bars and clubs with some friends who moved in my city but due to COVID in my city all bars close at 10 now and clubs are always closed. Any suggestion for places to cold approach ( i live in a country with super cold people btw so random street convos are seen as weird unlike the usa where it is MUCH more common)

@Leo Gura Completely agree with the texting part. However, how does one manage not to think about a girl for more than 15 minutes if you have little to no experience. If you have multiple leads it can be possible BUT if a girl is special i tend to think about her a lot even if there are other leads, if the difference in quality of the girls is big

@StarStruck I read your post and understand where you coming from. My advice would be to have a strong support group, good friends and family so that you do not feel the need to make your date a therapist. If you have problems and you do not share them because you have no one to, then you will feel the need to share it with anyone, even your date. Also, trying to solve your inner problems would be a good idea before you start dating. You need to love yourself and make peace with your demons. Relationships with girls will not solve that. I do agree that you should share yourself with your partner BUT doing it on the first date is too much imo. Imagine going out for a beer with someone and you do that, it would be considered a bit weird. That happens after you know the person for a while, same logic for your partner. You can share yourself after you get together, not before. If you do it before it is that you have this internal need to get it out and having a good support circle can help with that.

I never understood why in today society looks are considered so important for males. In reality girls will be attracted to guys based mostly on personality but if you ask people and even the media it is made a lot about looks. This is the case especially in developed countries, western countries. It creates this toxic atmosphere where guys believe that it is their looks which are stopping them from getting what they want, Leo in the past and the incel community being prime examples. Why doesn't our society say things how they actually are instead of giving so much importance to a guy's looks. It seems like most people are brainwashed these days and i was stuck in that frame too. Every time i am out i only hear people talk about this guy is ugly he cant get a girl or this guy is handsome so he gets pussy easily. Even girls will say they care so much about looks until they fall for an average that pushes their buttons. I would understand this for online dating since there you are basically mostly judged by looks. However, even in normal daily interactions people tend to say looks are so important for guys. Personally i am not insecure about my looks anymore because i realized it' all bullshit but i would like to understand why our society operates this way. I am asking this from a point of view of wanting to learn and to understand society. I personally feel like i recently escaped a toxic illusion that causes pain and low self esteem to modern men today. Just google the incel community, some of the stuff there is scary. Thank you

@louhad Okay, what is your opinion on the reason

@Meta-Man However in developing countries this is less the trend. There people are more aware about this stuff and their judgments about what is and not important in a men is more accurate. I feel like feminism is to blame since it removes the differences between male and female and therefore they are treated the same in terms of "value and worth in the dating market", basically just on looks

@Recursoinominado In a country with super cold people where you have to keep a mask wherever you go then yes cold approach is hard. In brazil it may be easy because people there are super social and outgoing i dont know. I asked here about the quality of the girls in dating apps, not convicing to cold approach. If you have used dating apps then tell me what kind of girls you found there, if you have not then you can avoid my post. I will cold approach when everything else fails do not worry.

@Recursoinominado Firstly, i have not met them. I said i am asking so i am saying " i feel like", not THEY ARE. So my assumption can be wrong for sure. Secondly, girls are the one getting approached so if they are high value girls they ll have no problem getting something and not needing dating apps. If a guy does not approach he will not get shit even if he is a cool guy, so there is asymmetry there

@Preety_India I have no hatred towards women or anyone. I am just saying that you should be fully responsible for your action and pick partners based on positive and not player attributes. By you i didn't mean you personally, i meant girls in general. Sorry if this created misunderstandings, i should have clarified it in my post. Maybe you pick the good guys but most girls don't. They settle with the good guys when older but in their early 20s the chances of getting a girl are much higher as a jerk. Look at Leo, just watch his videos on girls, they are spot on. It is not true that good girls will choose good guys and bad girls will choose fun players. MOST girls, whether good or bad just go with what feels exciting and fun to them, instead of being a bit more mature and taking values into account. I am talking about girls around 18-24 years old since i personally am at that range. I have seen it happen over and over again with my own eyes so it will be hard for you to debunk it. The guy that approached more than 2000 girls agrees with most of this. You cannot ignore reality. Let me tell you what happens as a good guy. You meet someone, you get to know them and they really start liking you as a PERSON. They will not get wet by you. Unless you are very handsome or have high social status she will just think of you as a great guy but she will NOT feel anything for you. Then you will get the you re great guy so lets be friends speech. Meanwhile the player acts brash, bold, assertive, dominant, witty etc and that gets the girl wet and they fuck etc etc. But those qualities are mostly found in jerks so yeah. Leo videos about assholes sumps it up beautifully.

@Preety_India True

I randomly encountered this video and i found it really suprising. I personally live in Europe where discrimination to this extent based on looks does not really happen and this video made me a bit angry. Is the stuff on the video true you guys think or you think it's bullshit? Basically the theme is a guy that is according to himself very ugly, getting treated much better in general because he has to wear a mask due to COVID. He gives many examples on the video where he is treated better.

@Preety_India You are looking at it from your personal agenda and pov. Let me tell you something. Most girls that get abused and treated like shit by guys know well what kind of guys they are. Guys are very simple, if they are fun assholes you will know very quickly. But girls don't care about this. You screen guys based on criteria that only the assholes will be left. You don't care how honest, kind they are, you care about how confident, assertive and ruthless they are. Therefore you hand select the players to date and complain after about being treated badly. Personally i did not know about the Red Pill and was ignored by girls all my life. I am what you would consider the perfect "on paper" guy and i got shit. I have other friends that are dicks to girls and get them in big quantities. Also i have friends that if they are nice and kind get friend zoned while if they act like jerks they get the girls. The same fucking person, completely different results based on how "red pilled" they are. These are not coincidences. If you want kind men then start selecting them and not the fun players. But of course you don't care about that. You care about fun, excitement, adventure etc. Well enjoy that with the abuse that comes with it. I honestly have no empathy for girls that hand select players then cry after about how cruel they are. If you want good men in your lives then select them based on "bluepilled" values. It would be like a guy picking his girlfriend just based on her looks and ignoring everything else. Society would say it is his fault if she turns out a total bitch since he only cared about her looks and ignoring everything else, all the red flags. And the red pill even though is toxic to some extent, is a good way for young broken men to get hope and learn how attraction actually works. Leo videos about getting girls ALL fall into the red pill realm. Everything he says from detatchment, boldness, fun, exictment etc are all what the red pill says attracts girls. You should not be dogmatic about it ofc, but this whole treat girls with respect is blown out of proportion.

@Globalcollective Looksmax and work on your social skills. You dont need 500 approaches for that.

@John Mitchell Being average is enough to get laid at least by an okay girl. Seen it time and time again. Watch leo videos on what women want in a man, maybe you are lacking there. Coach coray wayne, school of attraction and dan bacon are some good alternative channels. If i would guess is that you are not very flirty and sexual with the girls you meet from your everyday life.

@Jacob Morres If you want to have sex once a year then you should not have to approach at all. It will come from living a social life. If it does not then there is a problem that will not be solved from pick up. Pick up is basically meeting people. If you meet people from your normal life then you do not need to do pick up at all. Most PUAs want to fuck 8/10 girls every week which ofc u dont get from a normal social life so they have to do approaches.