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@Recursoinominado Ok fair points. However you say i do not want to do the work. Not true. I am in favor of trying to improve yourself FOR YOURSELF not for girls and become a stronger better guy overall. The thing is that attraction fades after some time in most couples and they still stick together. I really doubt most married couples that stay together are still in big levels of attraction. It will lead to a boring lifeless marrigage which is not what i want for myself or anyone here but you will not always get dumped for it. What would you propose us to do? We are willing to improve ourselves and shit anyway. We just want to be emotionally naked, open and willing to trust someone and love them beyond their appearance. That is all what i think most men think of a good relationship. Is that too much to ask for if you are willing to work on yourself every day? Sorry if my thoughts seem all over the place and shit, i hope i make my points clear

@Recursoinominado If you are careful with your partner and dont pick a spoiled bitch then yeah i would bet it. You are seeing females from the same perspective as that youtube channel 33 secrets does and i do not agree with it. Red pill does attract females but it is very unhealthy way of handling relationships. Girls leave you if you change who you are compared to who you were when you were dating them. So just be that person and you will be good to go. If you fake an act to get a girl then change to your normal self then ofc she might leave you because you were being fake from the start. If a girl falls for who you are then she will not leave you unless you mess up big time. So in short- attract girls by being yourself, do not fake shit and always strive to be BETTER for YOURSELF. But the idea that you are being tested 24/07 and you cannot show any weakness, any emotional vunerability, anything negative about yourself and if you fail at something you are dumped well. It is a very toxic way to live life in my opinion and i have seen too many couples where the guy gets a stroke of bad shit happening to him and the wife sticks through. That is why kindness and patience are more important in a partner than looks if it is long term stuff.

@Preety_India One night stands, basically 1 time fuck then bye bye

@Recursoinominado Seems a bit messed up to me tbh. Like of course you will not slack off and become a fat lazy wimp but the way you say it is like: the guy looses his job and his wife will directly divorce him. Does not happen most times, women stick around if they know you are capable and stuff.

@Eren Eeager Did not know Marley number 1 enemy changed his last name, avatar and started giving advice on tantra sex

@Recursoinominado I partly agree and dissagree. It is true that women will not date someone who they see as lower then them (most of the time unless she has low self-esteem). HOWEVER, what a women considers "value" is quite subjective. A women can consider "looks" value, another can see money or intelligence. So a women can feel she is dating down if the guy is uglier than her, or she does not care about that but feels she is dating down if the guy is poorer than her. Or if he is less confident or more shy. I know couples where the guy is legit uglier or less intelligent than the girl but he has other traits that make the girl feel like she is not above him. Other girls would see this girl as "dating down" since the guy is uglier than her. So it kind of depends on the girl. What guys should do is try to maximize their value, throw a large net and catch whatever fish they catch.

@Leo Gura I do not agree with the way you say it. You say it as an absolute fact and from my experience it is not like that. It will heavily depend on where the girl is from, how old is she, how conservative she is, what religion she has and how religious she is in general and what limiting beliefs and demonetization she may put to sex. I know A LOT of girls around 18-20 that got in relationships before having sex. I also know girls that had sex before relationships so honestly it kinda depends. On Las Vegas where you live and most girls being over 22 then that is a lot more the case. American girls are quite liberal in general. But your audience here is quite international and they have different ages so saying it as an absolute fact, i don't agree with that. You cannot start a relationship before sex with American liberal girls over 22 would be more accurate. I know from your experience it has been like that but you live in a specific part of the world and interact with a specific range of girls. I don't think you were having one night stands with 18 year old conservative girls from Vegas clubs. Good luck having sex with an 18 year old conservative girl before getting in relationship with her.

@Emerald There are different kinds of the traits based on the person. Some people have chill relaxed confidence, some people have very in your face vibrant confidence, some people have straight up arrogance. Some people like dark humor, some intellectual humor, some pop culture humor etc Some people are independent because they have a lot of people in their life so they are not clingy about an individual person, some people are independent because they love their job/career, some people are independent because they are introverts who love their own company more than anything. Some people are assertive to get something they want, some people are assertive when you cross their boundaries, some people are assertive because they enjoy the feeling of power than comes from it. Some people are sexual from the start, some flirt a bit before becoming sexual, some are more random about it. So there is a lot of personal customization regarding the traits Leo mentioned that will depend on the person. Compare James Bond with Tyler Durden from Fight Club with Stiflerfrom american pie . VERY DIFFERENT people but they all have the pick up "qualities" for the most part.

@Emerald LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Nothing in dating has NOTHING to do with truth. It is ALL selfish shit based on survival. Also when you say that guys should not do pick up if they suck with girls is the equivalent of a guy telling a girl not put on make up or do surgery if her face is unattractive. It is pure bullshit. Those same guys would be willing to sleep with that girl 10 times more if she did surgery just like girls would be willing to sleep with a shy nerd 10 times more if he grows from pick up the traits i mentioned above. A better way to complain about pick up should be: Do it in a more holistic way where you take into account somewhat the female agenda, do not sleep and date girls in relationships and have some basic respect for women. But saying not to do pick up is plain stupid. No one wants to live in a world where some angry incel that is frustrated with the world because he cannot get laid shoots the mall where you go on the weekends.

@Leo Gura Leave them dude, they are so disillusional , unconscious and in denial about what they want that it is a waste of time to explain it to them. Their advice caused me a lot of suffering and so has to many more guys. They can complain all they want, most of them have fallen hard for a player kind of guy in their lives and now are butt hurt about it and in denial.

@Emerald Good pick up= Development of charisma, confidence, humor, independence, strength etc Charisma, confidence, humor, independence, strength etc = The equivalent of perfectly sized tits and ass in terms of attractiveness for a guy. Maybe this is a more simple to understand language for you girls

@Recursoinominado The thing is that you do not need a lot of game as a good looking guy. Yeah you wont get 9s but you can get 7.5-8/10 which is pretty good. It is like comparing earning 6 figures to being a millionare.

@Recursoinominado Look i really appreciate all the positive vibes you give on this forum and tough love etc. However normal guys cannot take you as a success model if you look like an 8.5 honestly. As an 8.5 you need some decent game and you can fuck even very attractive girls. Decent game is not that difficult to develop, the issue is with average looking guys that need GREAT game to get a nice girl (around 7/10 in attractiveness). Anyway thank you for the work you do here, i am not attacking you or anything

An average salary in a developed country is more than enough. As Leo has said, you use money as a crutch when your personality sucks. Working on personality is the best way. Taking care of yourself physically aka grooming, gym, clothes etc also helps more than money. People in developed countries do not care that much about money. In poorer countries it is another matter though

@Danioover9000 I was just saying my take on it dude i didnt defend it.

@Leo Gura David DeAngelo ideas are based on the red pill. Red pill is just a bunch of ideas that then became a toxic ideology, just like communism. The core ideas are the stuff i wrote above which when used by immature guys lead to a toxic ideology. You can use the red pill knowledge and still be a good guy. Anything that says that girls respond to stuff other than looks, money, kindness, honesty, values etc is red pill information. I would love to talk to girls Leo but COVID kinda killed it for a few more months. Cant wait for it to end so i can start talking to them

@Leo Gura I think you do not understand the core principles of the red pill and confuse it with just the toxic elements of it like "females are not loyal", "she is not yours it is just your turn" etc. Yeah that is the extreme version of the red pill which is indeed very toxic but it it is not the core idea of it. The red pill was made by pick up artists after they discovered what females were actually attracted to, not the typical shit people say in the mainstream media like : be kind, be caring, be nice, treat her like a queen etc. Your rant on the PUAs is basically all the toxic elements of the red pill but it does help people since it shows them what girls are actually attracted to. Sure it is toxic but a lot more accurate than the "girls care about values" or "girls just care about looks and money" kinda shit you see people say. Basically red pill teaches you about what females are attracted to, anything else in it is toxic garbage. If it was not for red pill knowledge RSD probably would not exist and your journey to getting better with girls would be a lot harder (making assumptions about the second part)

@Leo Gura Funny how all of your "How to attract girls" advice is the same stuff as the red pill says. Being confident, masculine, assertive, dominant, not caring about the girl until she has fallen for you, being detached, being edgy, emotional stimulating the girl, doing numbers game, cold approaching, ALL OF IT is red pill stuff. Maybe now you are more mature but all your 2014 videos about girls are pure red pill information. Now of course red pill sucks balls when it comes to maintain a relationship with a girl due to how neurotic it is, however regarding attraction and getting a girl to sleep with you it is SPOT ON. So you cannot call it a pile of turd when you used most of it's principles to get laid. RSD is basically red pill 101.

@SamC Working out is the best way to improve your appearance. It should be complemented of course with style and grooming, however being buffed is a big bonus. By buffed i do not mean bodybuilder, i mean good shoulder to with ratio and decent muscle mass. Honestly the benefits of working out are so many that you should do it nonetheless.

@Moon I was referring to leo sorry @Leo Gura Look i do not want to be mean but is it me or do your views on how guys think about love/sex/relationships etc tend to take mostly into account the stage orange type of guys. How are you so sure that guys are not as comitted and caring as girls are? 75 percent of divorces are issued by women (some random statistic), i honestly do not think that guys are any less into the girl as the girl is into the guy in most couples. Both sides cheat, both sides have issues for sure.

So this is just a thought i had which i would be curious to know what you guys think. So basically the idea is that girls are attracted to in guys in traits that relate around strength. Confidence, independence, ruthlessness, assertiveness, dominance, leading, being bold. You can be a piece of shit person and get great girls if you have these traits. Now, you probably wont keep those girls in the long term but you will attract them for sure. This is due to men having to defend and fight for the family since they are the physical stronger sex Meanwhile females, when it comes to personality they have to be kind, sweet, caring, compassionate etc. So traits that make you a good lovable human being. This is due to them raising kids and you have to be sweet, caring etc. The problem is that men think females are attracted to guys that are kind, caring, sweet etc and not to strength. This creates the "nice guys finishing last while assholes fuck a lot" thing. Assholes are strong, nice guys are not. Now i know that guys care about looks too but so do girls. Guys care a bit more though that is true. What do you you people think about this? Please don't roast me or insult, just reply calmly

This is going to depend GREATLY on the country/culture etc where you are. In some cultures you can fuck within 1 hour, in others you need to marry before. So yeah. The general guidelines are already given here. Just 1 thing DO NOT WAIT MORE THAN 2 DATES TO KISS SOMEONE, MUCH PREFERABLY 1 EVER The end

Thank you for the detailed explanation. Can you take these elements and implement them into your core personality? Some of this stuff would not come natural to me at all. I tend to be more logical analytical kind of person so me giving roller coaster of emotions is a bit weird for me. The eye contact and touching part i can do without much trouble if i want to. However i tend to be a bit logical in the way i talk, i make jokes and overblow stuff out of proportion for fun ofc but changing convo topics fast i kinda suck at. I prefer exploring a topic fully before moving on the next one

@Recursoinominado How do you do it dude?! I have plenty of female friends but they all see me as a brother, as a great guy that they love and care about but have no feelings in that way. Some of them even find me decent/good looking and still no desire to kiss or anything like that. Literally as having a brother that you think looks good and is a great guy but ofc you dont wanna touch him since you feel nothing in that way. How do you manage to do it so easy (to make them feel attraction towards you)

@Preety_India Nobody likes assholes of course. I am saying that for a girl the ATTRACTION TRIGGER, will be strenght from a guy. Basically the thing that gets you to feel something towards him. For a guy it will be kindness for a girl, so if a girl is being sweet, kind, affectionate, basically like a caring mom he will start feeling attracted to her. For a long term relationship nobody likes an asshole ofc, assholes cant keep relationships long term for obvious reasons