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first, thank Mu_ for further explaining what I meant with the worlds devil also I agree with most of what Keyhole has said actually, I just realized this, I see people here are confused because of my poor explanation and wrong English It was too early to post something like this with my current English skill, I cannot keep up or explain my point of view here so I will step down, however, I would like people to keep an open mind about deities and don't demonize deities because they heard or read somewhere that there are evil without having an experience ( only trust your experience ) other than that is just talk. for example, kali is one of the most loving deities out there, different kinds of loving and understanding in her forum( kali ma) however a lot of people using her for Blackmagic it depends on your attention, not on the deities you are working with. deities are not just for magic the path of bhakti-yoga, the path of devotion, and (Ramakrishna ) was one of the devotees for kali until he had to overcome this. and other great yogis and the people who manifest what they want is also some sort of magic if you think about it magic is everywhere I hope my post did not cause you to misunderstand deities or magic, I apologize for the post. thank you

yeah, angel always leave me with tears of love and bliss, soul travel really interesting, I heard of it before however never had experience with it are you aware of the travel ? do you have any memory of the experience or just see the outcome from it? I see you are reading An Introduction to Chaos Magic Chaos Magic one the best kind of magic for us we human are better in Chaos Magic than other spirit-entity best of luck

I'm not saying there are evil, for example, How Judeo-Christian says that Lilith is the evil wife of Adam or how Lucifer was the bad apple. you can read about Qliphoth for more information

I would sayI agree with the black magic thing usually it enhance the ego because you can change life to the way you wanted by force and bending the will of others, however with evil spirit most of them are evil because of religion what do you mean by not the "right path " I don't think there is a " right path" however this path a lot of great yogis followed It up to what spirit or the deities you are working with, it could be from snake venom, blood, fruit or even your devotion usually, you can put the fruit in the garden or special place for your offering

working with deities, spirit, and magic ‎ before I start this post is not for beginners or people who don't believe in spirit and magic ‎‎please ignore this post if you don't have your own experience in this subject introduction, few years I ago started watching Leo, it started with self-help video to psychedelic experience and ‎after having few experiences lead me to nonduality so I disbelieved every religion and throw all shit about gods and demons to the trash ‎ I used to have a psychedelic trip every now and then and between I used to practiced kriya - meditation ‎everything was ‎great ‎ with yoga, I also started using a mantra. like aum and aum namashiva ya ‎ at that time I didn't know what is shiva why the fuck I’m saying his name however I could see the result ‎‎of saying the mantra how it affects my energy that bothers me a little, why saying some name has an ‎effect ‎on me! so I wanted to dive more into finding the truth I started working with energy and astral projection to ‎‎investigate and to have my own experience of the beyond ‎ after I had my few experiences with astral projection, I met a few spirits, and then it hit me that’ spirit exists!! ‎ and I started learning and reading about magic and how to invoke spirits and it opens a new doorway for me it just boosted everything in my spiritual practices ‎ once I had ( sex ) with one of the spirits and it just ignited my kundalini ( I already had few experiences with ‎‎kundalini ) but no as powerful. and with spirit, I realized deity may actuality exist !! ‎ so I start working with on that learning how to invoke them and it happens like wow ‎ all these years I disbelieved everything about religion and now I started to have my own experience with “god” and ‎demons ‎ like I worked with shiva, kali, Lilith, Beelzebub ‎( god and demons are not the correct words to use but I’m using it to explain my view ) ‎ it becomes reality in my day to day life and just having astral projection with the spirit or even ‎ for them to manifest themselves in our psychical word ‎ I came to understand that diety actually exist and they can help us to reach our goals if you give you them ‎the respect and offer them something deity just part of us, we are using part of us to help ourselves, it's not like a guy in the sky doing ‎what he wants! ‎ for example, when invoking shiva I go to this high state of consciousness like I’m on LSD or something ‎powerful ‎ I know at some point I need to overcome this, however, they can be a great help if you are stuck in one point one thing I realized even in magic they still have a lot of dogma! like this deity is better than this or don't deal ‎with x because he is a demon the duality between ( white magic, black (dark) magic ) ‎or ( gods and demons) ‎ deity and magic can boost everything to the point it may become overwhelming ‎ and it's not like psychedelic there's no going down after few hours it becomes your reality like endless trip and its really hard to go back when you open the gate ‎ I will not say you will not have a bad experience in terms of (your ego), however, usually like any bad trip you will learn from it, ‎ ‎ ‎ my point is if you do not believe in diety or magic it's okay you can approach the truth by many methods ‎ diety will not interfere in your life you don't want to, it's you who decide that, however, magic is a different subject I only heard Leo sometime talk about angels and witches before and the “ ultimate god” ‎never heard him talk about deities also in this forum why people avoid working with magic and diety as its some bullshit or taboo?‎ Why there is not a lot of people talk about this I had dig really deep to get my hand on some of the books or meet some people. ‎ also why people still have a problem dealing with “evil spirit “ for example lucifer or demons if ‎‎they can boost and help you as much as the deities? ‎ why all dogma even in magic? ‎ ‎ ‎I apologize for my English thank you ‎