The0Self

THIS --happening for-- REASON THIS and REASON are Heaven appearing as 2 things, thereby veiling Heaven's oneness and freedom.

? exactly though

Lol. Not what I meant though. It was a subtle point that is pointless in itself (merely lead to the next point in that comment). The unknown, if known, is no longer the unknown, but the unknown of course stays the unknown. It’s simply unknown by virtue of being unknown — a tautology. That’s what I meant by the unknown is always unknown / cannot be known. In the same way that the unknown tautologically cannot be known: Once something is known, what is known needs to be known — that need is reification. And that, while tautological as well, is very often not recognized as such, which is why I drew the comparison. The unknown is unknown by virtue of being unknown (obvious and pointless tautology when read out of context), whereas the known needs to be known by virtue of being known (less obvious).

Because the cessation of experience is a fount of insight potential, whereas deep sleep is not quite. Perhaps more importantly, deep sleep is simply not the cessation of experience in the same way that meditative cessation or even general anesthesia is: Deep sleep involves the cessation of memory/context (a type of ego death), but NOT the cessation of consciousness... which is why you can often feel that you slept for a long time or a short time — it doesn’t feel like anesthesia, wherein you can be out for days (or years, theoretically) and yet upon waking it will seem like you essentially time-travelled instantaneously; absolutely no time passed, experientially. The very same moment you enter a true cessation of consciousness is the very same moment you exit. You can verify this yourself with various types of sleep yoga although maybe you can intuit this already as it’s pointed out. The need for experience gets stilled in deep meditation. If it’s drilled down on with finesse and constant stability and powerful mindfulness, you can actually get the intention for a perception to fade to almost nothing, but as SOON as it hits actual no-intention, cessation happens. Seeing that many times fosters the intuitive recognition of the interdependence and emptiness of reality/awareness.

Yes there is a time gap but it’s more like an anesthesia — you jump forward in time with no perception of what happened in the gap. Not to be pedantic but it’s not that the experiencer is left by itself — experienced and experiencer are mutually dependent— when one ceases so does the other.

No. Awakening is too immediate to be known, but becomes apparent when all other knowing has ceased.

? Consider: The unknown is unknowable — for as soon as it were known, it would no longer be unknown. Similarly, the known MUST be known in the illusory experience of separation — for as soon as it were unknown (which is always already the case), there’d be no one experiencing/knowing. Simply, that MUST = reification.

However, there are different types of cessations too. There’s one where there appear only to be perceptions/appearances fluctuating in/as emptiness, with no one aware of them. That’s actually what this is, whether or not the appearance has the claim within it of knowing perceptions from a separate standpoint — but in that case this would seem (only seem) not to be the cessation I’m referring to (if experience is apparent).

Nah that's the witness -- still an experiencer. Non-duality is the end of the experiencer.

^^ Yep. He was just sharing insight though -- nothing wrong with that.

@Endangered-EGO You simply described a fleeting state of stillness. Practice going deeper into them until jhana arises, at which point it’s all over, you’ll never stop meditating daily for the rest of your life.

Yeah those are some nice methods. Definitely ways of getting there. Here’s one I like, if anyone wants to try it — you can probably just read it and intuit that it works — it has a more infinite-vibe rather than an unknowing vibe: 1. Practice taking snapshots of the current momentary experience — the entire thing; not just vision but all the senses. Capture the experiential moment exactly as it is with a vivid, multimodal, fully-functional experiential snapshot. Take several and get better at capturing the whole appearance of “the moment.” 2. Take a snapshot. 3. Watch that snapshot get farther and farther away from where you are apparently now in time, as if the snapshot is a helium balloon you let go of outside with minimal wind. The timeless infinite view may cease to be hidden.

Abiding experience of being one with everything is generally not how I would describe this, but there is a deep intuitive “knowing” and view that seems to come out of experimenting with practices of things fading when their source is taken away (e.g. anxiety fading when the aversion toward it is relaxed) over and over, at low levels and at high levels (not necessarily all the way to the point of cessation). What may happen is the revelation that absolutely nothing in reality, including reality itself, is outside of utterly empty groundlessness. This view is the immediacy of what apparently happens; the obviousness that there isn’t anything else, and that there is no “moment.” The past, present, future, and other people are simply nothing appearing as everything. Nothing moves and nothing is separate — this doesn’t mean there’s an abiding experience of oneness, which itself would be a form of separation, as it would involve someone experiencing a feeling of being one with everything, as if separate from that feeling. What appears is all there is What appears is never known or experienced. Whatever appears to arise dependent on anything, does not actually arise — this includes knowing, as it depends on the known, which in turn depends on knowing — which came first? Neither. There’s no separation. Time, self, and thing all depend on one another as well — therefore they’re empty. There’s no real context.

What appears is never known or experienced. Authenticity is the collapse of both denial and acceptance. There is only what appears to arise, but nothing ever becomes something that arose.

Great answer ? for real though.

Nothing can exist outside of what is. So it’s everything. What to call it? Perhaps awareness or consciousness — but not as they are known to you... Rather, as the union of appearance and emptiness. Undefinable boundless unknowable nothing being everything; no-thing. Consciousness as it’s known to you, on the other hand, is in fact the root delusion. This is in fact very well known in high level Buddhism — for any of you with doubts, that also have Buddhist sympathies. But really the question “why everything is consciousness?” is basically “why everything is everything?” You’re just using a random term in place of everything. One could perhaps use Awareness as opposed to consciousness simply because Consciousness (as it’s known to most) is a term with inherent dualistic nature in most people’s thinking. Doesn’t really matter.

@ivankiss This is a fantastic endeavor with fruit beyond measure. ?

Yes, nothing moves is a key insight.

Truth.

This was totally contradictory to something else you said earlier today. Can’t remember what it was. But God is and most certainly isn’t separate from you. However what is (what you might call God) is neither real nor unreal.

Yes, obviously the ego was dead “during” God-realization, but what you put in a previous comment was entirely contradictory to what you’ve said here.

There’s no separation, silly. You may resonate with what I’m saying or think it’s bullshit, but beware reactivity of the devil disguised as God — ego. It was apparently your (God’s) imagination, literally. Please don’t confuse people. If you believe it, it’s not objectively true, so don’t act like it is. Or ignore that. Doesn’t matter. See what feels more fired-up for the caring ego, and promptly do the opposite. If you’re wise. Open your mind to just how radical the truth can be — it’s infinitely radical.

Congrats on stage blue. Sounds sarcastic but that’s actually classic stage blue done right. I must have had you confused with another user. You just wait lol — all beliefs will parish. It’s up to you to die with them all at once, or a little bit at a time. Not that you care, but with God realization you actually create the entire universe — some of us on this very forum have had that apparent experience / lethally-infinite-love-tornado. That’s what you did, just now, timelessly. But I am you, and there is no we.

It seemed to make sense at the time. It didn't, in actuality. But just for fun: Apparently I used a lot of psychedelics, followed both Culadasa's and Rob Burbea's path guidance for the most part. 1-5 hours of meditation a day for about 5 years, Jhana's, Real-I-zation of Now, God-realization, realization of the infinite, and realization of progressively more infinite infinities. Lot's of ego-death and glimpses of absolute void-ness, usually "contaminated" by the psychedelic experience. Experimented with combining psychedelics, and combining dissociatives (usually ketamine) with psychedelics (usually LSD-25). Contemplation 24/7, even in dreams. Fasting, etc. Lots of obsessive extracurricular learning and google surfing and NCBI-studies-surfing to get a more complete picture of so-called objective reality. My life was incredibly ordinary, as is everyone's, which is also extraordinary: "undergraduate student with a girlfriend half the time." And a very stable and profoundly, lovingly abundant family life -- I was (and "am") profoundly lucky in that sense. Oh, and all that contemplation meant I self-isolated (by apparent choice) far more that most of my peers with my ability to connect with others. I did Metta a lot and this seemed to improve charisma and confidence. After several awakenings, the obviousness that there's no free will and no separate self eliminated nearly all shame and guilt and self-consciousness. About a week ago something else seemed to happen -- enlightenment itself was seen as empty. That was the end of it, in a sense. Though meditation and consciousness-work may still appear to happen, there's very clearly no one doing it -- and not even anyone being carried through an imaginary thing called time. There's just immediately what seems to be happening, with no stops, one could say. No certainty and no doubt, that there simply is no one separate from everything. Further? There's no reference point left to know what that would even mean. So... Maybe? I have absolutely no clue. To understand is to understand that you do not understand, but to understand fully is to understand that you do not understand even a single bit. This doesn't see a so-called future or even a "moment" -- this is absolute, ungrounded, unbounded, chaotic innocence. This is actually too obvious to see, amazingly.

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