The0Self

^^ That certainly can happen. DP/DR is not associated or related to enlightenment in any way. DP/DR involves an apparent individual experiencing the centerlessness/voidness of perception in their awareness. Enlightenment is just centerlessness/voidness full-stop -- which is of course already the case, but not for anyone.

Pursuing enlightenment is the waste. Pursuing life purpose is a waste that isn't really a waste. Nothing and everything in life is important. Getting enlightened isn't something that happens -- the experience that it hasn't yet happened ends... but doesn't really end because it's simply the end of the experience that things/circumstances are happening and there's someone aware of things or doing things. That usually is preceded by no longer caring about getting enlightened and being content with it never actually happening -- and that's indeed exactly what happens (it doesn't really happen, and certainly doesn't happen to you). Looking at a screen is no longer apparently covered over by knowing I'm looking at a screen -- looking at a screen, memories, the past, moments in time, the universe, and everything else is just what apparently happens -- blindly itself, as the causeless big bang itself. There's no one and nothing's happening. That's it, but it's just this, already.

He may have realized love in such complete fashion that he doesn’t feel the need to reify it as some “thing.” It’s just a theory, but it seems clear to me it could be the case since he states many times that “wrong” is impossible— that’s basically unconditional love.

Only truth will survive. Or maybe... nothing will. Go ahead and see. Enlightenment is not some “thing” that one can reach.

1. Authenticity 2. Simplicity 3. Lack of unfalsifiable beliefs and claims 4. Humility (by far)

There's no way to know that this universe didn't just begin now with a complete apparent history and memories.

It is well within the limitless capacity of infinity to appear as a complete universe with a history and story, without that history having actually even taken place. That’s apparently the most stunning aspect of reality, in the end — in fact you can hardly even call this reality since there’s no way to objectify it... it’s simply non-contextual everything.

Started out with the mind illuminated and then eventually got there. The first time I entered first jhana I was blown away by just how unbelievably powerful it was. At the time it blew any psychedelic experience I’d ever had out of the water by a factor of like 10.

The present will feel very limited as you’ve cut out a slice of what is, called it the present, and said this is where I need to be. There is no need to be in the present — when this apparent need stops happening, it’s obvious that there is no present. There is no moment. The present moment is an imaginary border between the so-called past and future. All of that is this (all-encompassing now) appearing as past, present, and future. The all-encompassing now is not the present, it’s simply everything, and it is associated with absolutely no effort or intention whatsoever — it has no limitation, it’s not suffocating, and it has no need of any kind... After all, there’s nothing else. And there’s an open invitation to it at all times. The only reason you would not accept is because the alternative is apparently better anyway, so there’s no need to seek it. In fact, seeking it is how it hides, because there’s nothing that’s not it, so seeking it is futile, but seeking it only happens if seeking it is preferable to not doing so — as soon as it’s no longer preferable there is instantly only everything, with nobody present (here and now) in it.

When you stop imagining x to be real, it is what it is, unknowable.

Yes technically, but there is already no duality or experience, really.

Exactly. Now is effortlessly all there is, which is probably part of what you're glimpsing. There's no center to what appears, and nothing can affect what appears, because nothing and no one is separate -- this is obvious, but only by virtue of not being not-obvious to anyone.

Might sound silly to some, but I have deep compassion for this, as it plagued me as well. All I can say it those notions are gone. There is just what is immediately appearing already, and no one is separate from this to do anything about this. In seeing this, all problems were left unsolved, yet disappeared. There is simply what already is immediately appearing to happen. This was solved before apparent liberation, btw. The first God-realization actually put it to rest completely. Even before that it was more or less settled via contemplation and psychedelics, but doubts weren’t 100% cleared until God-realization.

Sounds like a bit of a glimpse. I’ve had many. Some are awesome, some are terrifying. When it is complete the fear you once had is laughable. It’s not even that the fear goes away, but no one is left to experience it, and it’s recognized nothing really changed. You have nothing to worry about. If you’re not ready, you’re not ready. When you cease not wanting this, this will be all that’s left, so you have nothing to worry about. If you don’t want the end, the end will simply not come, so you can relax.

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Everything functions the same way. It’s already just what seems to appear. Already. As in there’s no separate time for a choice to have been made “about” it. Apparent choices are not separate from what is immediately appearing without cause.

Literally no pointer works, so don’t even try to get it; there’s truly nothing to get, but: There’s already just what’s immediately appearing, and there isn’t anyone separate from what appears to do anything about it, and it’s obvious, and the obviousness has no affect on what appears, because it isn’t separate either.

Simply, you don’t want the end of apparent separation. It’s death. There isn’t anyone who has free will. There also isn’t anyone who doesn’t have free will. There isn’t anyone period lol. Only way that stays hidden is the experience that what appears is real and meaningful and is leading to a future that’s better based upon my correct choices that I make through free will. You do not want to break that illusion, but unfortunately for you, there isn’t actually an illusion. There are experiences and glimpses that can happen, where free will is seen through completely, even while a me still seems to be in play. They don’t last very long but they certainly can happen. Happened to me quite a bit.

No problem with that. Something can be considered the cause of an illusion (which isn’t actually happening) — that still fits with the reality that there is no cause and effect. Sure.

@RMQualtrough But qualia is inseparable from its apparent physical correlates. The only dream is that there is a dream, or that something is happening to me and therefore real. The physical universe just appears — it’s not a dream.

It seems that simply, if a truth can be known, then it’s a relative truth. Absolute truth is simply unbelievable until it’s undeniable.

Only thing is there’s no cause and effect, only apparent correlation. An apparent quantized moment of zero time is not substantial enough to carry causality. Infinite moments each carrying zero causality still amounts to zero causality. Time-self-thing is a completely empty, dependently-arising, self-contained tripod leaning only on itself. Physical matter is not responsible for anything, because it’s not separate from anything, so it can’t relate in time with anything — only apparently correlate.

I loved it! Great allegory for enlightenment too.

Everything goes back to normal pretty much. There’s just no longer the possibility of the ego-obliterating surprise associated with “remembering” that you created the entire universe.

Only thing is, it seems you were saying something like “this is all there is” as in what’s happening now is everything. This is a deep insight, but it’s not the end all. Even what’s happening now isn’t something that is (known by anyone to be) present. What appears is all there is, but it’s never known or experienced — it’s too immediate; prior to any duality. It’s not something real; not a real circumstance. In other words, it would be inaccurate to simply say “this is all there is,” but totally not wrong to say “there’s nothing else.” In “other, other” words, this is neither real nor unreal.