The0Self

God does create, but the creator, creation, and creating are all the infinite appearing as that, inseparable from one another.

I hear you. Maybe this will bring it up a bit... Open your mind up as much as possible and take this statement as simply and literally as you can imagine: Whenever you judge or care about anyone or anything, that act is literally synonymous-with and identical-to judging or caring about your self. -> God is imagining that it is caring about (or judging) itself. God-Consciousness — but even that is just what appears; there’s no separation between what appears. There is no one who cares or judges — this just appears as (is) everything.

Nice. But is there really a difference? God makes apparent sense out of infinity — is that creation or discovery? I see no difference, but no one is doing either of those, they just appear.

It’s all fun and games until time disappears and this is clearly just omniscient everything... You become God consciousness you simultaneously are both the imagined birth, life, and death of every single being that could possibly be — as one timeless and spaceless arena of singular infinity. Lol

@Someone here Definitely sounds like a big breakthrough. If I were to guess where a next step is for you (could be totally wrong), it would be another recognition of what this emptiness-manifestation is: unconditional love. Eventually the final “step” — that there truly is no separation of any kind. This can perhaps be accelerated by realizing in each apparent moment that any thought about yourself that you don’t love, is not true, for you... Literally! Believe it or not... As unconditional love is all there is already; it’s just blindly and perfectly appearing as everything and can’t do otherwise because it’s absolute. And that’s the deeply hidden but most real fear: you’re afraid of the responsibility that you feel you’d have if you were unconditionally and perfectly loving. But as it turns out, there’s nothing to worry about, because ultimate responsibility is actually no responsibility. And it’s already the case.

@RMQualtrough Yeah. The most accurate way I could describe it is to simply say there’s literally no separation between anything that appears — for any “one” so to speak, but there’s no real one. That’s why it is said that the absolute cannot distinguish between pleasure and pain and apparently (but not actually) forgetting this absolute unconditional love what “allows,” so to speak, for the multitude of experiences and individuals. And about your experience with love and God... That’s perfectly okay. You must access and identify with God mind before you can dis-identify with it — so too with witnessing before that, and emptiness after that, then all are transcended and included in enlightenment, which is the end of mystical experiences.

Yes, however there isn’t really a why or even a how. There’s nothing outside of the appearance that is timeless everything, and the nature of that is unconditional love. The more you embody unconditional love, the more sovereignty you have as God in this timeless creation of God. Never give up your authority... or do give it up — there’s no choice in the matter. The reality is like this: it’s like the entire universe exists for this moment of sitting on a chair looking at a screen... although it’s not “for” that but you know what I mean — no separation. i.e. “Without a history, how could there be sitting on a chair?” What you really are is so conscious it can experience simplicity, while simultaneously creating the entire universe — ingenious perfection. If you look closely... This very experience of simplicity IS itself the creation of the entire universe! It seems like it would have to be God getting out an infinite toolkit and painstakingly creating a perfect universe... but... it’s literally simply unconditional love appearing ?? ? You could say nothing is external, but I would say: there’s nothing internal (no inner world) when the infinite is realized. For most, I’d be willing to bet the quickest way to enlightenment is to simply actually realize: Everything you don’t love about yourself (every thought about yourself that you don’t love), is precisely what isn’t true, for you. It can actually be that simple... with an open enough mind — which psychedelics can act as a catalyst for.

^^ Solid advice. In my experience, LSD was perhaps the most conducive to mystical experiences powerful enough to have lasting effect on life, consciousness, and realization. 5-MeO-DMT later on maybe, but it’s not really all that incredibly special — it’s all about the dose anyway... And contemplation, and subtlety, and (seriously) love.

Sounds like a really stark and extreme example of what more or less most people experience on the path at least to some small degree. He’s been going headfirst into devilry and self deception and putting up barriers to prevent that process from alleviating. Maybe it’ll get bad enough to cause an awakening, or maybe a psychotic break. It’s too dangerous and precarious for you to worry about or try to change him.

That’s all you extending your tendrils of existence, so to speak, outward throughout eternity and infinity. Survival is another story for how this is. That doesn’t mean it’s false, it’s simply the timeless appearance of everything. Basically there is no separation and that’s the end of it, but cognitive understanding won’t do much you have to actually do the work, optionally take psychedelics, contemplate, inquire, FEEL, effortlessly be yourself, and create.

If one is dead and knows it, then no one is dead. If one is dead and doesn’t know it, then no one is dead. If you mean after death of the body? This assumes time is real. It isn’t. In the dream of time in a very concession oriented way you could say there’s apparent reincarnation, but not separate from this — even that’s not strictly true though. This is already everything — separation of any kind is an illusion. One thing is for sure: you have nothing to worry about. The purpose of everything is literally what you are.

@RMQualtrough Brother... that’s all well and good. Fun theories... But really? Evolution, biology, brains, and even the universe itself are just justifications for why this is as it is. Evolution didn’t lead to this moment. That is by design exactly backwards. Rather, this moment timelessly stretches its arms out in eternal infinity and creates everything — including evolution. Causelessly.

Just saying it would perhaps be unwise to insist on not taking them. You don’t necessarily need them though. You can realize God and your true nature without them, but in my journey it would have been rather difficult. With that said, if I use psychedelics now (just did last week to see), after realization, it doesn’t even produce a mystical experience, which isn’t surprising at all because I knew that would happen going in — nothing is more mystical than God understanding the universe out of everything, which is all there is. ? For real though. Meeting with God? Well, unless that’s just a metaphor for realizing you are God, it’s utterly not what we’re talking about here.

? Although you aren’t necessarily wasting your time by not taking psychedelics, you are pretty much, at least potentially, wasting your time if you plan on never taking them. But eventually they are practically useless, since enlightenment seems to be the end of mystical experiences — and what else would psychedelics be used for?

Imagine you’re God here and you just now made the entire universe to fit this moment. Big Bang and evolution included. You just did it, as all there is, but as a point of view of the only thing there is. How? You just now timelessly stretched yourself — your infinite appendage of spacetime — out to (and as) the apparent beginning and end. But... What about everyone else? Yep, they’re doing it too — they are what you are. That is creation. The mind of God. However, the infinite was already timelessly there, and we are that.

There really is no death. That’s what you imagine happens if you also imagine you were born.

Devise ways and contemplate how to love more fully — or more precisely, be here to be in service to this infinite oneness’s awakening to love. Realize you aren’t here to have any tolerance for a lack mindset. Yet, Realize nothing needs to happen for this to be whole already. No one is really afraid to let go, they’re afraid of realizing this is always absolute-let-go already.

Well it’s not separate from all that exists. But it’s all that exists appearing as a 1st person perceptual bubble — which doesn’t prove that’s actually what it is.

Depends on what you mean by those. Self awareness or self consciousness (or perhaps personal awareness) is what animals and babies lack. Children and adults have it, but when children or adults (more likely adults) lose it, that’s enlightenment. It’s Infinity’s gift to itself. If by awareness you mean the absolute? Then here’s how I’d explain it: if everyone’s non-objective (non-personal) awareness is what they are at their core (which can be confirmed directly), and there’s no distance between awareness and the objects it’s aware of (if there were distance, that would just be another object, so there’s obviously no distance between the object “distance” and awareness)... then there’s no separation between what appears. And if what appears is all there is, then there is no separation.

You’re right, it’s a personal experience. What is beyond personal experience is being... and beyond being is infinity. It’s timeless everything, with no real perspective, and is everything / is not separate from everything, so it can’t see a difference between anything. If 1. everyone’s awareness is the same awareness (which it obviously is unless by awareness you mean something else), and 2. there’s no distance between awareness and what appears, then... There is no separation between what appears. This even includes the apparent end of the universe and its beginning (timelessly!). But of course an individual can’t see this.

@4201 I hear you. But what I’m pointing to is just “a little to the left” so to speak. All you have to do is give up the notion that what I’m talking about happens in time. You are correct in that this has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

The Big Bang didn't happen in the past. Also, the Big Crunch won't happen in the future. The Big Bang timelessly appears as the Big Crunch -- the end of every sensation that ever has or will happen. The Big Crunch timelessly appears as the Big Bang -- the beginning of every sensation that ever has or will happen. The beginning of each sensation = its end. The Big Bang = The Big Crunch = everything. There is no separation, not just in terms of there being no one separate from what happens, but in every way -- i.e. whatever you give, you receive, etc. This is both timeless and causeless.

Maybe the smiling you refer to is just a metaphor, but even so, unconditional happiness means you’re happy even when you aren’t smiling. Being unhappy (or, so to speak, “not smiling”) is just another sensation and all is unconditionally welcome. Not to mention: There’s no separation, first of all, so everything is complete and unconditioned... But also, no one can prevent any sensation from happening anyway — it’s an illusion that you can, and if it’s recognized there’s truly nothing you can do, well then there’s obviously nothing you can do, so you’re sensation-proof.

I’m talking about beginnings and endings on a very basic level. Look at this screen. Now look away from the screen. The sensations of looking at the screen ended. Simple as that. And each apparent moment of sensation is a sensation itself, the beginning of each of which, is simultaneous with (and is) its end. Simple anicca. Of course there’s no real beginning and end but that’s precisely because there’s no separation between them. I’m not talking about it on that level. I’m referring to the beginning of EACH / every single apparent individual sensation unit in time. Every individual sensation of the infinite. This is the beginning and end of all of them — though it may not appear that way. It points to a meta perspective that itself can spill over into timeless non-duality. Does that clarify what I meant?

I agree with all that. I was pointing to something entirely different than the story of the Big Bang, which seems to be true in the story, as you seem to indicate. I was pointing out a view which itself points to nonduality. This is timelessly the Big Bang right here and now, but as the unconditioned.