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You ignore / turn away from the object by attempting to turn toward its subject. You can't actually find the subject, since if you did, it would just be another object -- you just attempt to find it, merely as a means of turning away from all objects (all experience), including even subtle objects such as stillness, blankness, and anything that can be noticed.

As far as spiritual practice is concerned? Until there is effortless peace and liberation, effort can be applied to meditative, contemplative pursuits. One very effective method is the following method of surrender: applying effort/intention toward releasing (relaxing and ignoring) any intention/effort that is noticed, except for the intention/effort to do just that -- letting go of any intention/effort that is noticed... Until that itself is the only intention/effort left, at which point it can be let go of as well. Self inquiry works in almost exactly the same way, but instead of releasing intention, you release attention from any object that arises by (attempting) turning toward the subject. Then let go of the subject when only it is left. Done repeatedly. For absolutely any object experienced in the case of self inquiry. Or in the case of surrender, for any intention noticed. Both methods require constant effort, until they don't.

Yeah definitely. And thank you!

I was an addict. No one else in my (adoptive) family was. Long after I got started, I learned that both of my birth parents were hardcore drug addicts. I transcended addiction and know how it works. And it seems to be highly genetic. Today, I can actually help addicts. Addicts are the hardest people to help. Leo would have absolutely no clue how to help an addict, because he's never been there before -- it's an experience that he doesn't have access to, therefore he is unwise in that sense. Not that he really could not help them, but he wouldn't be coming from a place of having been there before. And not that addiction is something that you'd even want to be wise about... but it's certainly grounds for claiming that addicts possess one aspect of wisdom that others don't.

I had the same thoughts. Technically his words would not be that wrong -- addicts are not known for their wisdom -- sure, if he were referring to current addicts, but he was specifically talking about someone who USED TO be an addict... Those people literally are known for their wisdom... Like more than the average individual. Doesn't mean they can't very often be unwise, like basically any other group, but yeah... Like what the fuck Leo

More alignment with true nature -> desire for more alignment -> more joyful effort arises effortlessly. Don't strain or strive too much -- don't get too complacent either.

Yeah. Seems to be in the same category as Adyashanti but he focuses on different things and goes about it in a different way.

I think it’s a matter of these people just not being very familiar with him. Bentinho is highly awakened and authentic it seems. Very high level techniques. Like a young Rupert Spira that actually lets his personality show and is concerned less with nonduality and more with manifesting your true nature through intuition and emotional guidance. Rather reminds me of Nahm / Phil / Actuality of Being Apparently Bentinho was instrumental in Frank Yang’s path.

Probably some health related reasons but what can also work is just meditation skill. Lean into the discomfort as if you’re counterintuitively trying to feel as much of it as intensely as possible — this tends to cause the discomfort to drain out of the experience because you’re negating your aversion to negative stimuli. But if you get used to doing that, it can start to become problematic because once you know you can just collapse any pain with your mind, that can start acting as its own sort of aversion.

Alter the viewing lens -> the view itself is altered. Repeat. Observe trends. Use what you learn to intuitively experiment more deeply, with more ingenuity, with the alteration of your lens of viewing experience. Doing this with increasingly more subtlety and power simultaneously. A good place to start is viewing phenomena as impermanent, then stressful, then not-me/mine, then empty of having separate existence.

Makes sense. Come to think of it I think the Syrian Rue only potentiates tryptamines. Not just dmt though; shrooms as well. Guess I figured if it potentiates psilocin it should potentiate LSD — I may have been wrong in making that assumption.

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Is that a joke?

Seems like it would work. Though oleamide is apparently like cannabis if you took out every effect besides sleep induction. Might make you a bit tired. Also Syrian Rue is notorious for increasing the power of psychedelics, and by a scary amount. (EDIT: only works for tryptamines!) Or you could try this technique: Imagine you're giving an object to someone. Now imagine you're the one receiving the object. Now imagine you're both. Which experience is absolute? Is there even experience? What is absolute? Unify that happening and access the next level beyond spacetime.

Normal is usually 140-200mg/wk, with 200 being for really big guys, though anyone can get it if they really want it. 200 isn’t going to make you big or anything. A cycle is 300++, often 700-1000mg/wk, or 350mg test + some anavar, etc

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Because it is inferior to DMSA in every way for detox. Cilantro and DMSO can actually hurt you if you are heavy metal toxic. The only things that work for heavy metals are ALA, DMSA, zeolite, and in rare cases, EDTA. You generally need 2 thiol groups to act as a hook. Careful with researching this stuff. It is a mine field. And you can get yourself seriously hurt. Now that this info is so out in the open I feel compelled to tell everyone interested in chelation (heavy metal detox) to at least skim this:

To know what it’s like to be everything, of which nothing is denied, including the circumstance you mention.

@Waken Yeah I can understand that. Definitely was a nice change of pace and energy for me though.

Fair enough sir. I was just curious because you did say you cut him some slack. Didn’t know if that was serious or what. Sorry for wasting your time. ❤️

Haha yeah he’s a little eccentric, but not too out-there imo, and he has a lot of value to share about accessing higher states without psychedelics. And a lot of cool and inspiring mind and life practices that work well.

Exactly; as I said: ^^ x1000000... Same here brother! The 1st time 1st jhana experience somewhat signifies the beginning of the path, in my opinion -- after that, it's like an explosion or snowballing of well-deserved faith, confidence, stillness, subtlety, etc. Bentinho Massaro YT channel was very powerful as well! Very different approach but very effective highly conscious teacher. IMO, anyway.

I'd agree maybe if one has never experienced them. Or has difficulty manifesting them. But once it gets going, seeking and desiring deeper mystical experiences is the fastest way to deepen them.

How do you know it's nitramadas? If it is the same guy, please try not to ban him. My intuition tells me he is valuable to the forum.

It can take a lot of consciousness. Train meditation and contemplation. All kinds of things can produce mystical experiences. Eventually mystical experiences can be essentially DONE -- since reality itself is recognized to be the deepest mystical experience possible, already... But I digress... Before you get to that point, anyway... One thing that can induce a mystical experience is to imagine 2 people -- one giving an object to the 2nd, and the 2nd obviously receiving the object... "Unify" that. Sort of just imagine being one of them, and the other, at the same time... With the transfer of the "object" in view. Feel how it's almost a higher dimension and timeless "shape." Now you might access a sort of "next level" above this reality, and you can explore that Imaginal realm in a timeless fashion -- giving and receiving happening "at the same time" timelessly... Notice how cause and effect is a sham. Go deeper. Expand. Make an art out of it... Notice the miracle of it. Notice how it's empty perception floating in nothingness with no separate person aware of it -- it's just miraculously, and perhaps even terrifyingly, WHAT IT IS... If it doesn't blow your mind, it's not what I'm trying to convey. It's almost impossible to convey, but yeah, go ahead and try it. Knock yourself out. Preferably after a brief meditation sit or at least after warming up by noting or breath counting, etc.