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Lol hopefully no one takes me too seriously. It was honest but I was also just being silly

i.e. I would suspect this to be projection.

He could just be having a bad day or something lol. I have no clue what he’s saying half the time and the other half seems to jive. The truth is... well, all I can say is get enlightened and it’ll be the dumbest decision and the least dumb decision you never made. What is is equally what is NOT. How are you gonna derive “truth” from that? ? But yeah for him to say everything can be known — dead giveaway for delusion. There is literally nothing happening in the first place — but that’s what the thread is supposedly about so idk why he didn’t stick with it. Not that there is such a thing as right and wrong.

It’s really not all that liberating when no one and no reality is left. And as soon as it’s recognized, it’s too late. The worst experience is then equal to the very best one. Party’s over ? It also is of course absolute liberation. But who is liberated?

Well that’s the truth... In every conceivable way ?

@Holygrail Though it’s not to say fear won’t come. The transition between normal everyday dreaming that you’re a person, to the true and obvious intuitive recognition that nothing has ever happened can be so jarring...

Sure it can’t be found, because it can’t be lost. But if one searches for what is true by turning away from the untrue until no knowing remains, what’s left is the singular, unmoving, inconceivable, simple, timeless truth.

Solipsism is actually a trap. The true nature has no self existence. The I in everyone is the same I, but it’s an illusion. The truth is not objective nor subjective, as the subject is really just a special type of object. No duality.

Was just about to say, Bentinho Massaro is the one you’d want to consult for this particular issue.

If @Flowerfaeiry were any more beautiful, God would get charged with unsportsmanlike conduct. Excessive celebration perhaps ?

There is no connection. Yeah there's a surrendering aspect but there's also a take no prisoners aspect and the taking back of your authority. When you're 100% responsible for everything that happens, no one is responsible, so surrender and searching can kind of go full circle anyway. Yeah.

Everything can be known = nothing can be known. Again, words...

As I said truth is all there is. Nothing can be known. The concepts are not the direct recognition. It is too simple to get

Meh... I didn’t get enlightened. I stopped. It is direct. Truth is all there is... It was never born. i.e. nothing can be known

Only “advice” I’d (very lightly) suggest is don’t wait. Seeking false enlightenment is seeking a state so good that it’s impossible to not want it, and impossible to understand that it doesn’t exist. Perhaps avoid that trap, as you’ll be waiting forever. It’s all about stepping away from the belief that there are separate things (or just things).

Fear of death/change/unknown. You sort of get used to it when it becomes obvious that there is nothing to fear.

Still and train lightly and diligently the fine control of the attention. Then inquire and feel: What is true? Turn away from the untrue — you might as well not assume that anything objective is outside the untrue. What feels good?

It is there as itself. It has no reality separate from absolute is-ness, by definition. What is known about it? Any apparent answer simply appears.

The truth is inconceivable. It can be pointed to though: nothing; everything; appearance; causelessness; timelessness; unconditional freedom/love; that there is no separation; that what is happening never becomes something else (i.e. nothing happening)...

The illusion is that there’s a difference. Neither exists. Only truth does.

Apparently not.

Fear is that which fears itself — it’s empty. There is no-thing to fear.

If it is a thought, then it is a thought. But what’s the one undeniable truth? It’s far too absolutely nothing to actually state it but this comes close to stating the truth (i.e. absolutely nothing/everything) — That there is only what appears, and nothing about it can be known for sure. Can anything else be true? Well, what can you say for sure other than (it) appears? Is there even an it? Apart from its appearance? Can you know that for sure? Check. If you can say anything else for sure, how do you know you’re not deluded? — But... it is still undeniable that even this appears. Radically simple to recognize it but that recognition is just the beginning.

Who would do that? Notice how the answer is never a prescription, it's always a question or a dead end. So any who, how, or whatever question will always be met with negation. The truth is inconceivable. That there is no separation is inconceivable. Seeker seeks until it stops, and then it never was, and the whole time, it was wholeness. While your love of knowing trumps your repulsion of false, enlightenment will be delayed, and delaying it is (in a sense) paradoxically the only way for you to be enlightened now, and there is no un-enlightened one, so it must be as it is. I would hope for this to help in some way if it could, but it can't. I mean, in the sense that this is already complete. You are already good enough, as is everything -- appearance of the opposite of that is one of the manifestations of the illusion. Can't explain it, simply because the illusion is impenetrable -- it is both gamemaster and nonexistent... There is no one separate and no inside & outside.