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2nd Jhana feels like MDMA x10 with no sharp edges whatsoever. And even with that, you get tired of it eventually! Which is crazy because the first time I entered it, it was literally unthinkable that anyone could possibly ever get tired of it in a million fucking years. Seen from the person, it is utterly terrifying that the best possible experience could be on equal footing with the worst.

As if that would need fixing. But I know what you mean. I still recommend meditation occasionally because of how happy it made me, but it was just a more comfortable prison. Nothing wrong with a more comfortable prison though! I told myself the reason I did the meditation was for truth seeking, not fulfilment seeking. Which in a way actually did sort of seem to work out. But it leads nowhere, because the whole time everything was equally whole and complete -- I would've never guessed that was even possible. How can realizing I'm God be equally as fulfilling as taking a shit? Well, it is only self who thinks one is better. Just for example, as soon as I could manifest as much bliss as I wanted, I basically had no need to use it. Quite surprising.

I've done a lot of research into sleep matters, as I have narcolepsy. I no longer have symptoms strangely, but anyway. The only hard and fast rule is that everyone needs at least 4 hours a day, and virtually no one needs more than 9 a day.

About 6 years ago. Had a few of what I would call mystical experiences before then, but then I combined ketamine and LSD one day. This was the experience that prompted me to actually start seriously looking into spirituality and truth. What happened was basically indescribable, but it was as if my life never happened, and there was the remembrance that I was never actually born -- I was just God dreaming itself to be a person. Mystical union with everything. Turns out this was kind of a delusion too, but it was so much more profound than anything that came before, that I figured I must've missed something important somewhere down the line

^^^^^ You can't exactly feel love all the time, because it's all there is already. You're sitting in it. You are it -- nothing.

@levani As far as what they feel like, The first time you enter jhana you might just think you're about to die. It is that intense. Entire field of awareness is filled with an insane level of exhilarating bliss. Turn away from the exhilaration and to the bliss and 2nd appears. Turn away from the exhilaration entirely and 3rd appears -- an incredibly serene state of chill bliss. Then turn away from the pleasant aspect of 3rd, moving toward 4th -- pure peace. Then abandoning materiality, then space, then turning toward the perception of nothing. I have no clue what 8th is like -- it's possible it's so ineffable I just don't know it when it's there.

Culadasa -- TMI Rob Burbea -- Seeing That Frees A bunch of other random books and research that I can't remember. Followed TMI more or less and then eventually just kind of did my own thing. Way too haphazard to teach it. It absolutely can be done though. Got to 2nd jhana in about 2 weeks but then had a full 2 YEARS of no jhanas before they appeared again. Not everyone will stick with it. My desire for truth was unyielding and I thought meditation had something to do with truth. Turns out there's nothing to find. There is enlightenment, but you never get it. You just stop experiencing, or you don't. I cannot explain to you how worthless the whole endeavor is. When you realize this you might just be laughing and crying at the same time. Until then? Have at it. As far as what they feel like? I'll post in a sec:

1-7 After I was able to access 2nd at will, I barely even practiced. Absolutely no need.

7 and 8th jhana is so far beyond what most get with a psychedelic peak. Even 5th and 6th jhana is. The ability to manifest 2nd (or even maybe 1st) jhana at will is enough for your life to never be the same it's so good. Of course god realizations are beyond all that but it's ultimately meaningless anyway. Most don't get that far.

Not even close. There is no constant state. Enlightenment is the end of "now what?" in every possible way. One way of putting it, is your highest insights will be on equal footing with abject depravity -- that's how little anything matters in enlightenment. There is no self left. It's the end of better/worse. You do not want enlightenment. From your perspective, it's like going to sleep and never waking up -- except, sleep is peaceful, enlightenment is not even peace. It's an unimaginably absolute loss. However, it is actually possible to feel like you're on MDMA any time you want! Lots of meditation practice can bring that ability about. But when you have it, really have it, you'll barely use it. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Sure, but even if this is done, the ego will still think it's better to do this or get something out of it, rather than not doing it or not getting anything out of it -- some kind of transcendence, etc. But the ego or the sense of real-experience-happening-to-me can drop for absolutely no apparent reason -- it doesn't have a single prerequisite, and moreover, it has no benefit.

Freedom. But what’s the point of that? Absolutely no point at all. No reason = love = freedom. There’s no meaning to anything at all — if there were, that would be a condition; a constraint, and not absolute boundless freedom. This is already the great completion. The so-called end of the dream (enlightenment) is simply the end of the experience that there are objectively better or worse separate things. The end of mystical & ordinary as being the slightest bit separate. There are already no objectively better or worse separate things, and no experiencer separate from everything. So there never was a dream. And nothing to overcome. Nothing needs to be overcome, already. And the story never ends — only the relationship to it ends. If there were a way, it would be <insert famous last words>. Nothing can be done to get closer to completion — it’s all there is. Even the dream is completion. The end of the dream really is just like going to sleep and never waking up, from the perspective of the experiencer who seems to have a life of meaning and purpose — it would never end it by choice, especially if it could know what the end of the dream meant; it can’t imagine what it’s like for the worst experience to be absolutely equanimous with the best; indeed, no one knows what that’s like. Even if attempting suicide, the experiencer never assumes that death will mean absolute equanimity of all happenings — it generally thinks it will be something like peace, or just something different (better or less-bad), etc.

That’s just nothing appearing to happen for no one, it’s not actually happening or referring to anything real other than itself (the appearance) — just seems like it when there’s still seemingly someone with their own separate existence/meaning/purpose/life. Can’t say anything on a relative level for this situation, as I can’t read minds, but it seems I can point to the heart of the matter. No point in saying this at all, but it’s the truth behind the experience — so to speak, anyway.

^^ Which itself is of course not wrong. ❤️ __________ Ultimately right/wrong and true/false beliefs are illusory. Right/wrong; better/worse is not relevant, except to “me.”

One could just as easily ask "why do you think everybody is searching for the meaning?" as a response to the statement that all there is, is meaning. Same thing. Yes, which is a trap. Of course. Reality is not other than meaning. But what is the meaning of that?

Oh how sweet! Y'all are so literal. Nothing always gets nothing -- means the exact same thing. That work for ya?

Well it is bullshit. Any time someone tells you something it is bullshit. Even now. But really on a very practical level, the universe (let's call it) always gets what it wants. Even when what it wants, is to pretend it can't get what it wants

There's nothing to explain man. I don't believe that nothing matters. Nothing matters. Yes life is the realest thing -- there is nothing else. Yes it's beyond understanding. If I knew anything about this, or was able to experience a bad experience as a good one, it would be a delusion, yes. Indeed it would be a contradiction. When there's no one left experiencing reality as actually happening, nothing happens. There is only what's happening, which is as it is, but at the same time completely empty. Completely indescribable. Orgasm is what's happening. Getting stabbed is what's happening. They're both what's apparently happening. That's it. That doesn't mean it might be happening it's just that no one knows that -- no, there is nothing really happening. All duality is false. Every spiritual experience I ever seemed to have was no less spiritual than literally anything else, yes even including the most profane shit ever... Or gas pain... That's where this really leads. There's no point to it, everything is already complete and nothing needs changing. This has no need of being anything else -- there is nothing else anyway!

You mean besides nothing and everything? Better/worse; ordinary/extraordinary... Not that there's really a beyond.

Love always gets what it wants. Always.

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@Raptorsin7 Yeah I hear you too. Wasn't saying I find this particular human body to be more beautiful than any other, because I literally do not.

Lol looks can be deceiving. Everything you know for sure is a dream. "After enlightenment," the best possible experience is absolutely no better than the worst possible because nothing is happening. Further, the truest thing is no truer than the falsest thing, because there are no things, there's no separation, and there is no truth. That's the truth Some people just have everything... Totally joking -- I have less than anyone could possibly imagine.

The me is terrified of the worst thing being absolutely no worse or less whole than the best thing.