The0Self

@Being Frank Yang What do you think of this way of putting into words one of the highest insights: Whatever moves, is nothing; whatever doesn’t move, is everything. Still very story-like but I can’t think of a better way to explain it other than nothing is happening, which is a lame statement lol.

The highest teaching: There is no teaching, and no one to teach; Any understanding of this teaching overlooks the fact that there is no teaching. This isn't some profound thing, it's simply the bottom/center of the whirlpool/maelstrom that is Real-I-zation of Consciousness.

Good observation! You can never feel oneness with perceptions. Perception is duality. Period. That's what perception means -- somebody here, observing something else over there. Being, on the other hand... After enlightenment, there is no one left to enjoy it -- everything that happens is not seen by anyone as something that happens. It's quite an ascension, but too bad because no one's experiencing it, lol. There's no peace, but there's nothing else either. Time doesn't have the solidity to carry anything through it, namely a person.

@ivankiss Nice. This nothing-is-moving seems to be very much related almost exclusively to time being seen as an illusion. That's basically the whole mechanism that seems to reveal the insight "nothing is moving" in my case. There is no other time and place. There's only everything; what apparently happens.

I'm painfully empathetic, but it doesn't keep me from breaking up with anyone I feel is going to lead to the continuance of a toxic relationship. Piece of cake. Usually we still hang out for a while after the breakup and are good friends... who happen to have sex... AND used to be in a relationship ... so it obviously doesn't work for long. And we eventually just kinda fade out and stop talking to each other, with no trouble. Works for me. Every ex I broke up with are straight up DEAD to me (as in I have no idea if they even still exist) and yet I still love them all. No hard feelings.

@ivankiss Going nondual is pretty awesome but scary, though recently it's gone even deeper -- all intention (literally all; scary) drops and yet life goes on without me and the shocking truth is revealed: nothing is moving!! Literally... WHAT THE FUCK... LOL! Maybe you'll know what I'm talking about -- it's pretty closely associated with realizing the Infinite, but distinct from it and it came after that for me, but from just contemplation and low dose LSD. Nothing like Witnessing. It's not God-realization at all either (a higher state that generally requires strong psychedelics). But yeah, basically this whole thing isn't moving...and it's not something, it's everything. We can all go home now. Oh wait, there's nothing but home. Nothing but Heaven, with no one in it.

Everything. No-thing. Timelessness. Infinite. This. There’s nothing else.

Considering I and you are the same, teaching and learning are the same as well.

If you want something profound, look elsewhere. Emptiness will tend to blow your mind, when understood, because it can't be understood. If this "teaching" resonates with you, a fading out might take place. Peace will never be found, because there's no one to find it. No one cares about peace, since peace is all there is. Although you might as well call peace strife, after the fading -- the difference will be meaningless, since what arises is all there is, with no one in it that could choose something else. Everyone knows this already.

Exactly...

Yeah seeing God is an experience that often occurs before the direct intuitive knowing that you are God. Which comes before the revelation: nothing is moving -- timeless everything is infinite where it is and there's nowhere else.

Stillness; contemplation; etc Very, very still. JUST be. Where exactly is the obvious but obscure knowledge 'I AM' coming from?

Somehow, lol. Can't really think of music that isn't conducive, except maybe the following, but even it is awesome lol:

Hey that's actually pretty good, lol. Even a bit strange loopy.

^^ Yeah, this is likely.

Yeah... It's a bit dangerous. It'll work for PR though, and might restrict some individuals' wild ideations as a bonus.

Everything is spirituality. Pickup can be quite a grounding practice as well. Keeps you from being an uncharismatic sage hermit, when you get to high levels where not a thing is.

@Geopo Wow... I hope you're in a better situation now. Welcome!

@BipolarGrowth When everything is seen as something, there is movement. Without that, there is death without replacement — nothing moves. Yet, it's full.

If there was someone here, sure.

@BipolarGrowth I don't see it as a psychedelic state. Just conveying information. Most would view it as such. I'm pointing to the radicalness that's usually forgotten after the psychedelic experience. Nothing is moving. Everything is not happening. It's all just as it is, where it is, motionless.

Oh. Sounds like it's going as it should then. Good luck! Luck is an interesting thing as well -- might go a little deeper than meets the eye, idk. I'm very, very often known as lucky. Just in all kinds of situations and friend groups. Since I was a kid too.

@BipolarGrowth I'm not big on jhanas anymore either. Just saying the 4th jhana can be used for powers. Many have said that, not just Rob Burbea. Daniel Ingram and many others have said this as well. And they agree, jhanas and powers have nothing to do with awakening (empty fullness seen by no one).

^^ Do this intensely enough, as a habit that goes on all the time, and what my be revealed: there's only what is, there's nowhere else, and everything you thought you knew was in fact...not known at all. This unmoving timeless everything is actually not...anything at all, and it lacks the solidity to carry a so-called individual "through" it.

@BipolarGrowth Careful about going deep into madness. Might be more helpful to think of it as chaos. Less personal.