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I was talking on a more global level. We are rare.

This is obviously not true. Your perspecitve is so skewed on all this. Very few people are actual Zionists. Honestly, I am silent on social media because I am afraid. My non-Jewish girlfriend posted a pro-Israel post on Social Media and I reprimanded her to not do that again. Take that as a win that you guys are the loudest. You even get to redefine words that used to have real meaning.

To stand up against the lies and demonization. How can you not see this?

It is a legitimate perspective because the Jewish people had to reestablish and secure their future. Furthermore, Israel is extremely multicultural with a large Arab minority. Any excesses deserve criticism I agree with that.

No worries, they are legitimate questions. Thanks for asking. I've often answered them in previous posts. But it comes down to this: I have my own unique experience that allowed me to get the deepest view and insight of the Israeli perspective. I can see the purity in it so to speak. I understand that people don't share my perspective and that's totally fine. I am fine when people are critical in a healthy way. However I do see it as a task to stand against blatant lies and demonizations. Like the genocide hyperbole for example. The siege of Leningrad was not considered a genocide and that was a whole other dimension of cruelty and subsequent human suffering. So the hypocrisy runs deep on some people. This is a horrible war and I understand emotions run high but this does not excuse us from being level-headed. I also keep my anger in check whenever I read something outrageous about 7/10, other terrorism or Israelis dying or being held hostage.

Bullshit, all you guys do is lie and manipulate. Yes, Israel has currently a political retardation but it is a democracy with oscillating electoral results. Hamas is part of the equation in all this. Let's consider that for a moment. Israel doesn't need that much propaganda when they have a legitimate perspective and fighting against such an enemy.

I am not "shocked" by other people's perspectives. I can definitely see that if you have a certain bias you can very conveniently play this game of hyperboles, lashing out, demonizing and blaming Israel for absolutely everything, of course, all without ever having the slightest consideration for Israel's perspective. Decent people will always stand against such things like pink hair guy. If people are "shocked" by my perspective that tells more about them than about me.

Piers Morgan show is not "news". It's sensationalized debating. That's why I am so cavalier about it.

Not exclusive but most apparent. Holy shit, I did another snippet skimping, from timestamp 30:50 shit hits the fan. How can somebody behave this shamelessly classless? Of course, the bar was already set by a literal crackhead at the beginning. I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting sucked in here haha. I get it now! Piers is a genius. He is a Brit who moved to America to not only profit from a war but most crucially to wittingly exploit the unhinged loudmouthed mannerisms of Americans for maximum profit. The pink-haired guy who was so contrastingly gentle was also a Brit. Coincidence? I think not. (;

I am not for acting out or lashing out either way. One has the responsibility to keep his emotions in check. Write angry letters but do not send them instead send a constructive level-headed letter. Class and gentleness as shown by that pink-haired guy should win out. Of course, the whole debate show is so deeply sensationalized. Piers Morgan acts all outraged at the guests when they misbehave but I bet when the recording ends his mood changes in an instant to being all gleeful as he knows this shitshow will be good for ratings. But the problem lies in the wider culture, as an outsider, it's very apparent to me how loudmouthed, Polarized and uncompromising Americans are. This is a sickness of society.

The Jewish women. For women, it's more excusable to act out a bit I understand her but arguing with loudmouthed idiots is a game that's not winnable.

How can peolpe even watch that cringe-fest full and to the end? I could barely handle skimping some snippets. The woman is right when she says that she stands up against lies and hypocrisy, well done for doing so. That gentle pink-haired guy seems to be the most reasonable and genuinely compassionate. Unfortunately, though he totally gets snowed under for he is so gentle. He barely gets a word in but the ones he does hit like bricks of truth. I'm him with a slightly deeper Israeli perspective.

...Piers Morgan, still going at it with the same shit over and over again. He is a 21st-century media Carpetbagger haha

Most Jews lived in places like Iraq, Syria and Yemen. Qatar and Saudi had virtually no Jews. As soon as the social order crumbles the slightest, shit hits the fan in the Middle East. The potential for barbarity against minorieties is and was always there. You asked for the benefits. I am not apologizing for Zionism saving the Jewish people. This conflict must be resolved I agree with that as well.

If you're a minority in the Middle East your life is beyond volatile. Can you imagine still having Jews in Yemen, Iraq or Syria. Those people would get massacred by extremists or riff-raff mobs. As soon as you do something that upsets the sunni majority they will go after you. This is no joke. Ask the Assyrians, Kurds, Yazidi's etc. The Shia and Sunni are also constantly at each other's throats. You cannot blame on Israel that in Iraq for example they had horrendous massacres of Jews and expelled them. Ironically this expulsion of Jews by Arabs ended up the best thing that ever happened to Israel because Israel took them in and they massively uplifted the country. Israeli Arabs are fine with Israel. But the benefits of Zionism is immeasurable. I mean have you seen Israel? Middle Eastern cuisine, Western norms and world class economy. A society of Jews but insanely diverse with all kinds of minorities and a decent amount of hot Russian women in summer clothes.

@zazen You can criticize aspects and expressions of Zionism but non-Zionism is not a viable option for the Jewish people given context and stark reality. Jews have to fight for their right to exist a little harder than most peoples. That's why I am a Zionist. I also say it to take the word back so to speak because it has become a darling word of anti-semites and far-left extremists.

If Hamas was stopped by the border guards on 7/10, you would extoll Hamas for being such noble and honorable fighters only targeting the military and scrutinizing the IDF for making civilian casualties in the retaliation. See the perversion. Ironically to call Hamas human animals and savages is more truthful. I understand you can be critical but also I am kinda skeptical about much of that edgy equivalating. Israel would get scrutinized for everything it does because people are so blindly ideological on this Issue and mush every little thing to demonize Israel to the max employing hyperbolism. If Israel's approach to the war were different, maybe a smaller-scale invasion people would still be shouting about genocide and all kinds of demonizing cringe. I cannot emphasize this point enough.

Oke that can be a factor. Though as I understand Hamas negotiators living in luxury Qatar don't give a shit, feel very emboldened and make decisions based on a vibe of deterrence and petty whims. Right now they are not really deterred or intimidated. They don't take Israel seriously because they know Israel is accountable for upholding certain norms while they can do as they please. So this process taking a long time and necessitating steadfastness is not purely Netanyahu at play. After the Rafah operation, this war will enter a new phase, Maybe Hamas's negotiating positions will change then.

Netanyahu is not to blame for this. Hamas still feels emboldened enough to make unreasonable demands and to reject proposal after proposal. But this whole hostage situation is a horror show. Not knowing the fate of the hostages can drive you mad.

@Karmadhi The absurdity of your view is layed bare in your last post.

Dude… I dont care about your cutesy emphatizing with Hamas. You are an absolute fool to be proud of that. there is understandable and there is understandable. Hamas must be fought like the absolute scourge it is. Understand that.

@Raze the ratio is horrible irregardless of source. This is how war looks like in that environment against such an enemy devoid of any honor. You don’t like the ratio that Israel has set after 7/10 then release the hostages and surrender. Don’t overlook Hamas in this equation and all the ways in which Israel withholds itself as the more powerful party. Keep in mind that any consideration and accountability Israel has is without qualms royally exploited by Hamas

I write what I mean and I mean what I write. I am not playing games or hiding things from you. I am perfectly within my integrity here. You guys constantly do projections and vilify me. This is just your narrative mushing at work. For example, I have great respect for people like John Stewart and Bernie Sanders even if I don’t always agree. Cenk is also a good example though his views and mannerisms are more untruthful and cringy in my eyes. But he has genuine hart for people, including for Israelis. He made a passionate monologue on 7/10. That won’t go unnoticed. Many other extreme leftwing people who get normally outraged by the slightest “transgression”would not care or even be perversely gleeful. However I have zero respect for people that make a living of just totally ripping into Israelis and every little thing they do, getting all hyperbolic and having zero consideration for their very legitimate perspective. These are the manipulative and ugly agenda games being played. On some types of weak willed persons that lack critical thinking this might be effective. You contemplate for yourself how well you make your intelligence shine in your posts

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I literally said the exact opposite. But you guys are beyond reasonable in the way you twist and squirm.