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@Tobia Russia is losing A LOT. Human lives, Wealth, Progress and it's geopolitical power has taken a huge hit. He is facing an entirely different Ukrainian army than he (and frankly everybody) expected. He also did not expect the West's unity and resolve. He assumed that the west was too spoiled, weak and preoccupied with transgenders and pedophiles to oppose the tough, down-to-earth Russians.

@Leo Gura Would you have said this before the war? He is vicious but also reasonably competent. In a sense, the war is an unexpected blunder for him and he is doubling down on it because of face-saving. He is a horrendous crook but honestly, I cannot paint him all black. For example, he is genuinely not racist and respects minorities. He always stressed that Russia is a multi-national country. Also, you could argue that the people in Donbas were bombed by Ukraine (before the 2022 war). So a limited invasion of the Donbas region would have been somewhat justified. America would have done the same if its people were being bombed. But yeah Putin's war, his WW2-style tactics, the lies... He brought a lot of suffering to the Russians too, fascists always end up bringing misery to their own people while intending misery to the other people, they can't help themself but to spread misery.

@koyadr3 It will definitely get easier with (years of) experience

@Leo Gura I Totally agree The girl I am now with was extremely standoffish when I approached her (She is a very closed-off Russian girl that had a bad day). But I turned it around in just half a minute. She said: "what do you want?". And I innocently responded: "I just want to meet you, if you don't want to that's fine." From then on her whole demeanor changed and we went on an instant date Sure but just don't be a try hard and also be demanding of her to invest as well. (have a look of disappointment on your face when "she just sits there". This can trigger a quiet girl to invest at least a little.) Sometimes fun and passionate monologue flows naturally, other times I just casually show her some (travel) pictures on my phone. Sure slightly boring but also no inauthentic gamey bullshit involved. Being a little plain, logical and cliche > try hard gamey

@Leo Gura I Totally agree The girl I am now with was extremely standoffish when I approached her (She is a very closed-off Russian girl that had a bad day). But I turned it around in just half a minute. She said: "what do you want!?". And I innocently responded: "I just want to meet you, if you don't want to that's fine." From then on her whole demeanor changed and we went on an instant date.

Plowing through on disinterested girls is uncalibrated and bad for your self-esteem. It's only something you have to do as a beginner but at some point, you need to be relaxed enough to feel up if she clicks with you. 10-20 seconds is enough for that. That's also enough time to turn an initial standoffish girl around. Any more investing than that is a sign of neediness and being socially out of touch. All game that doesn't take into consideration: Self-esteem, integrity and self-respect is unsustainable.

Exactly. It's not just insane, it's impossible. I would say going through the learning process to learn pick up is impossible to scale. Because of the sheer quantity of cringe and creepiness that comes with beginner (mass) approaching. But once you're socially calibrated and only approach girls that you are genuinely attracted to and are your type, it's perfectly fine if a good chunk of the population was doing this, especially in a culture that's socially free and embraces sexual polarity, like Latina and Slavic culture.

@StarStruck Being non-needy is a foundation block of pickup. Surely you're not needy all the time. I know of myself that I feel shitty and needy right after a flake of a good girl. But after a week or so I pick myself up again and get more detached. When you're pushing in an approach that's a sign of neediness. relaxation and coolness are the opposite: detachment. So yeah step 1: don't be needy After that comes the hard part which takes some real mastery. There is nothing wrong with desire, however, you do need to manage your desire. As soon as the girl finds out she can sleep with you she won't. you must give her room to chase you! I have had the most magical dates with hot girls where they felt very feminine and stimulated but flaked right afterward, why? she knew I would do her. So here is the paradox of dating girls that are 10/10: while being authentic and sexual you must always be reserved and unsure about her despite her being a 10. You can do this by sniffing out imperfections and teasing her on it. Having a skeptical attitude also helps a lot. You can even be skeptical of a girl that is too perfect. Tease her but also be genuinely detached and unsure. The art of game is turning the tables on women. Making them the desperate hornballs and the men the coy and precious subject of desire. Approach every date with the attitude: I don't want to fuck her (she must really earn it). Don't even try to take a girl home if she isn't literally attached to you and making everything very easy or when she hasn't desperately chased you.

You must always be non-needy/pushy and ready to let her go. Like "I would like to meet you but if you don't want to, that's okay". It's impossible to hold frame if you're not willing to give her up. Your frame/principles/self-respect always come first. When approaching train yourself to say goodbye to girls as soon as you notice micro-expressions of non-interest. (like looking away, energy is off, non-investment). Again your whole frame is "I would like to meet you but if you don't want to, that's okay". And when you do come across a girl that is into you she won't even shit test on neediness because she can feel that's a non-issue for you. Haha shit frame. She should have sensed that you only date the hottest girls and that she is not a big deal for you. The highest and most enjoyable form of day game is when you only approach the hottest girls that are your type and you're genuinely attracted to. This means no approaching of girls that are below your high standard or simply are not your type. For example, there are "objectively hot women" but if she is not your type you still don't approach her.

@StarStruck I got that particular question once: "do you approach more often?". I don't even know whether to consider it a shit test or a genuine question. I just repeated my opening line with full conviction "I really like your style" so this made her still feel special in a way. But in my experience feminine high quality girls will never ask such a question. Because they'll understand that this question is highly annoying and know that most guys want to approach them but are afraid to.

@Optimized Life Haha the stakes aren't that high here. If you want to try something just do it.

This is my pattern. Before the date they are respectful and respond within a good timeframe. On the date, the girls are clearly attracted and stimulated. After the date They don't bother anymore communicating with me in a respectful manner and flake. I often hear the words "I would like to see you again" but then never see them again. What is happening here?

@meta_male Oke, I'll wait a few days and then say "...let's turn winter into summer again"

One word: Powerful It's an energetic thing that all men inherently have (perhaps unbeknownst buried deep down) and something that women will always lack.

As a man, you can have colossal amounts of empathy and still get girls. The idea that strong men can't have empathy is pathetic and insecure.

@meta_male I have a standard formula where I send something after 24 hours, something witty or a standard "..?". After two to three days of silence after that I send the "still alive?". Then it's pretty much over.

Is it possible that I stimulate the girls on the date then she goes home and goes out that night to score or calls her fuck buddy because I horned her up? The girl in question did tell me she went out after our date but is ignoring me again. Like, we clicked perfectly, we kissed and I made her laugh and everything during the date. She told me "I made winter feel like summer". But now she doesn't feel the need to reply to me, let alone chase me. Because she knows she can get me. Earlier this week I had a date with a very cute Russian girl but she got some emotional baggage so I was visibly wary of that and considered her below my standards. She is actually slightly chasing me now. which is nice but still as soon as a girl will figure out that she can have me she will stop all investments and treat me with zero respect when texting.

For example this week I had a date with a very stunning eastern European girl. Also very intelligent and proper. She used to apologize when not responding within just a few hours and even apologized for being two minutes late for our date. The date went great, there was clear attraction, we kissed, and she felt very happy and stimulated. She was also very clearly boasting to win more of my attraction. But then at the trains, I gave her casually the option to come home chill with me but she refused and I didn't push. My train was leaving in that very instant so we quickly kissed and said goodbye. Since then she has been ignoring me.

I date very hot women, so yeah if they don't have psychological issues, in the framework of being chill, honest and masculine I do kinda give away that I want to fuck them. But isn't this also necessary to build tension? Is it really this extreme that when the hot girl understands I want to fuck that she runs away? During the duration of the date she is super attracted but the shit starts afterwards.

Nah, she grabbed my chin, which was a sexy/tantalizing move. Context and vibe matters a lot, I was just dumb.

You're right. Bullying is not the right word here then. A shit test means the girl is interested which is very positive. I had a girl once grab my chin and say to me that I am an obnoxious creep haha. Out of insecurity I took that seriously, only later realizing it was a shit test I failed. But that's something completely different than real bullying. Real bullying is malicious emotional abuse. @ZenSwift Is there a chance you interpret shit-tests and "hard" rejections as bullying due to your trauma?

I would say standing your ground, being audacious and cheeky is a foundational part of cold approach, especially when starting out and you have to unwire the meek nice guy programming. Later it will be so natural to you, you won't even think about it. Also, men are inherently powerful as only they have the ability to confront and fight other men. I am not saying you should fight or do other stupid things. But it is good to cultivate a certain aura where people can feel off you that if they cross you, they are in a world of trouble. I am talking about something subtle and inherently masculine, not about being aggressive or angry. Having some experience with confrontation and standing your ground will certainly grow you here. Good, I am also very short but I never even get shit tests from girls on this fact because I think they can feel that I completely own this aspect of myself. Some of the world's greatest leaders were very short guys. I understand you, that's actually a good reason to not do it. A microdose of LSD for example won't help you during day game because the anxiety will just eat you up. But in a loud obnoxious club it helps a lot because there is a general atmosphere of partying and not giving a fuck. For me, it's like having a superpower but I also understand your concerns. Good! but beware if you have problems "managing bad experiences" day game will be even harder. Even though the reaction of girls will be generally friendlier. Approaching girls during the day is a whole other setting than a loud nightclub where everybody is drunk and does stupid shit. Not saying you should avoid it but a good dose "of not giving a fuck" is required. Especially when starting out.

@Leo Gura What is your greatest source of happiness in life just directly felt reliable day to day? For me, it's the different passions/hobbies I am blessed with, seeing beauty and "poetry" in life and the world around me. And also indulging in music, taste and carnal pleasure.

@NoSelfSelf I am saying it's not a normal phenomenon in cold-approach. So there is something foundationally wrong that needs to be fixed.

Oke but it's still a sign of something fundamentally wrong. A grown man should not get bullied. @ZenSwift When starting out you have to deal with a lot of cringy ass fuck ups before you slowly correct yourself and get better. But being bullied should not be part of it, your priority now should be eliminating this phenomenon. Also night game is the most low-stakes thing ever, everybody does all kinds of dumb and crazy shit and the next day it's all forgotten. You're way too tense and uptight, try taking a microdose of LSD when going out.