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@AverageMonkey There's nothing to explain, your question is meaningless and I am not enlightened.

She's making a very good and important point I think. Basically an aspect of spiritual egotism when it comes to relationships. Leo needs to make a video on the spiritual ego, it's such an important topic because it will happen to everyone on the way.

@ivankiss That's a great post mate, thanks for sharing

@Opo Nope, small city in Germany. population of 83K, 50% of which are university students. and a whole bunch of hippies and weird crazy people?

Best case scenario: psychedelics will ruin reductionist science But these new compounds are definitely a step in the right direction. Remember, not everyone is interested in tripping. Many people would benefit enormously from the effects of those drugs. Imagine if we could actually treat depression effectively. How that would transform society... @Forestluv Never heard of it. Can't find anything about it on the internet, what is it? New research? Any papers on it?

@Mason Riggle Unfortunate.

@Mason Riggle I wouldn't judge a volcano for erupting, because I wouldn't hold it accountable for doing so. But if you would for example go kill 20 people, I would judge you for that and it wouldn't matter to me whether the killing is what you do or who you are. And on top of that, I would behave pragmatically towards you, aka selfishly. Of course. Wouldn't you?

@Mason Riggle I know that I myself am a Zen devil to a certain degree. I have one foot in Zen and the other in Devil. Though of course, both feet are actually standing on pure Zen ground - only I'm still too much of a fool to see it all the time. I wouldn't judge you for being a Zen devil, but depending on what you do, I might judge you for that. I'm no saint and I try not to pretend to be one. True, any attempt of changing whatever is going on in the world is simply more of the same, but for that exact reason I will superficially discriminate between good and bad and play my role. Because no matter what I do, that's what's happening anyway. I haven't forgotten that me helping that dude doesn't mean jack in the end, but neither does anything else. Whatever happens, is Good. Choose your way. Alan Watts made it clear, you're a Buddha anyhow. And if you really know that, you don't have to go around doing devil shit in order to prove that you're a Buddha anyhow. But it just so happens that for some reason you start feeling more and more compassion on your way, and then you simply act from there.

@Mason Riggle People misunderstand Alan Watts so easily... This is the problem with listening to him: on one hand he's a great teacher. on the other hand, it's so easy to become a zen devil by listening to him. One of my absolute favorite excerpts of all his talks is this one, and I'd like to use it as a response to your post: "[...] but if you will treat yourself for a while as a cloud or wave and realize that you can't make a mistake whatever you do, because even if you do something that seems to be totally disastrous it all come out in the wash somehow or other, then through this capacity you will develop a kind of confidence. And through confidence you will be able to trust your own intuition. Only the thing that you have to be careful about is - and many people who have not understood then properly fall into trouble here - is that when they take the attitude that I can't possibly make a mistake, they overdo it. Which shows that they don't really believe it. So a lot of people come on and say ""well in Zen anything goes, you're naturally with it anyway, you are a Buddha anyhow and I'm gonna prove I'm the Buddha anyhow by breaking all the rules"". So you've got on the weirdest, filthiest clothes and you're gonna steal things and all kinds of things like that, that's overdoing it. That shows that you haven't learned. You're overcompensating, because before you were told to do this to that the other and watch and be self-conscious and nervous and so on and so you just go to the other extreme. But this is the middle way - of knowing it has nothing to do with your decision to do this or not whether you decide that you can't make a mistake or whether you don't decide it, it's true anyway."

@Opo Not necessarily. people get indoctrinated with Orange culture. Yes, Orange itself is the integration of the previous stages, so in that sense you're right. But it's not them who have integrated the previous stages. True, they don't have to go back, but it wold probably good to take a look under their epistemological and metaphysical hood. That's what I thought at first. So I did an experiment to test this hypothesis: I stood a few feet away so that people wouldn't assume that I had anything to do with him. Still tho, same result.

Yes, perfectly true. @Eternal Unity Maybe you remember a few weeks ago there was a thread about rape and whether you'd interfere or not. And some people in there thought they could rationalize rape by using non-duality. I replied "there's no reason to help, but equally there's no reason not to help". So what to choose? Why not choose Love over selfishness? And yes, this "Love" can still be expressed for selfish reasons (spiritual ego, right?). Which is why Jesus gave the trick/fake command "thou shalt love the lord thy god with all thy heart and with all thy mind".

@Eternal Unity You mean so that I don't have to help that person?

If you like tea and meditation, go buy some good Sencha. It's the best, god I'm in love with it. Maybe even a bit addictedgood stuff tho It's a great alternative to coffee, because the caffeine doesn't hit you as hard. It doesn't have this peak effect after which you feel kinda drained. which is why you can use it for meditation, it contains L-Theanine which in combination with the caffeine perfectly harmonizes alertness with calmness. Any tea drinkers out there who can recommend other tea sorts? Or maybe green tea varieties which are good for meditation? Today I tried a cup of "Gyokuro" for the first time, which was also really nice

No, caffeine can't escape me.

See which values resonate with you most. And don't forget, you're never in only one particular stage. Check out the Spiral Dynamics Mega Threads: Purple Red Blue Orange Green Yellow Turquoise Also be aware of the fact that most people tend on average to locate themselves 2 stages higher than they actually are. So if you think you're at Yellow, chances are that you're actually at Orange and overestimating yourself. No stage is better than any other stage. They are all necessary and good just as they are.

oh guess I didn't get that haha @Mason Riggle thank you can only say the same about you yeah "most" is accurate, I still talk about a lot of things I don't really understand. Gotta give that up, just a silly game

yup, it seems to be something. but "it" isn't.

@Mason Riggle There's a lot of nobodies on this forum who say I'm not real? do you exist?

amiriteoramirite?

@Preety_India Any specific ones? or just tea from that region? why do you like it?

Don't you dare to open another solipsism thread…?

@BipolarGrowth Makes a lot of sense, thank you! @NahmThird time watching that video, here wo go! seriously tho I will have to return to that video many times coming, always with new context of understanding That adds to my understanding.. or maybe it took away from "my understanding". Thank you!

Green focuses on people & community and still lacks in holism, it still excludes (and condemns) many perspectives. Turquoise is extremely holistic and doesn't exclude/condemn any world view. Even more than Yellow. SD basically describes the development of degrees of holism. The further up the stages, the more holistic your values become.

not necessarily, the iron may contain very reactive ions which "want" to become Fe2O3 or something. You got me thinking tho. In a sense, everything is sort of..sluggish and doesn't want to change. on the other hand, there is no ego in anything, not even in humans. @Leo Gura I have a question on that: I remember Nahm posting somewhere "the biggest misconception is that ego is a thought". So.. "ego" doesn't exist, not even as a thought, right? it's a total illusion, there's nothing at all to which you could point and say "there is the ego". So even to say that is already saying too much, yes?