Tim R

God is the ultimate f*cking troll?

Fear is the force behind survival. Without fear, you'd long be dead. Notice, that fear is a form of love.

Your body is not a bag of flesh that is somehow being shoved around by some spooky magic called "mind" or "consciousness". The duality between "mind" and "body" is not real. When you move your hand, you might think "my mind controls the hand". And then you begin to wonder "but how is it possible that mind controls matter??" Notice the duality. Mind - Matter. But if you get rid of the duality between mind and matter, you'll end up with a far simpler and much more satisfying explanation; Your mind doesn't move the hand. Your mind and your hand are actually the same, and the hand controls itself through being identical with mind. Or look at your heartbeat. How come your heart knows how to beat? How come there's a part of your mind that "subconsciously" controls the heart? Well, again, get rid of the duality and see that "heart" and mind" are not different from each other and that because your heart is the same as your mind, it controls itself. After all, if I you move your hand and I ask you: "do you know how you move your hand?", you will answer "yes of course - and in fact, me knowing how to move my hand and the moving of the hand are one and the same process." Just observe, closely. And see if you can actually find any difference between mind and body. And what you'll find, eventually, is that what you call "body" or "mind" are even more than that - they're consciousness. See, consciousness is not something "in" or "from" your body. Your body is a reflection/appearance of consciousness. And this consciousness is you. There is no difference between you and all your bodily sensations. They're not something you "have", they are something you are. I dare you to find the difference between "the one who feels" and "what is felt".

Actually, no. "Chances" is only something you could derive if you had a set of events. The universe is one event. There are no two events. It's like some scientists try to calculate how "likely" (or unlikely) it was for the big bang to occur. Which is just stupid?

@Javfly33 That is the most important insight you could have gained from this forum

@Leo Gura Even more than the mindfuck of being God?

I see the advantages of such a thread, but I'd also like to point out two possible problems with a "Jordan Peterson Mega-Thread": First, it's about a person / based on a person, which this gives the whole thing a sort of of ad hominem-touch, which I really think should be avoided in good discussions. And second, this thread could very easily develop into a bashing-thread where people will pick some of JP's opinions and ideas, build a straw man and then knock it down to nurture their stage blue shadow.

First of all, 33µg is not microdosing anymore. Microdosing stops at around 15µg. For 1P-LSD it might even be a bit lower than that, I only have experience with 1CP-LSD, which is slightly more potent than normal LSD-25. 33µg is one third of a trip, and some people can experience very potent effects on only half a "full dose", that is 50µg. Seems like you totally underestimated what you were doing. Research on psychedelics is very, very important.

When people watch Leo's series on "Deconstructing the Myth of Science", they might start to think that science is somehow "wrong". It is, and it isn't. It depends on the context. And that's where people get confused. Remember Leo's video on relative and absolute truth? "The sky is blue because it scatters light" is a relative truth. "Potatoes are part of the Solanaceae " is a relative truth. "The human body can't run a marathon in under 1 hour" is a relative truth. Science itself (and I'm mostly referring to the natural sciences) is a field so large and complex that you can't even grasp its extent and complexity. Science has penetrated the material world so deep that it's just ludicrous. You can go into any field, whether it's physics, chemistry or biology and from there look at all the sub-fields. And each sub-field has hundreds of sub-sub-fields, and each sub-sub-field has thousands of even more minute fields. If you would settle for some extremely specific problem, you could study it all your life and you wouldn't answer 1% of everything you could answer about it. People think that science deals with explaining reality. But most of the time, that's not true. Science doesn't explain reality, science builds models of reality. Science abstracts and divides reality, it conceptualizes it, it manipulates those concepts, projects them back onto the world and thereby manipulates reality. I often see people who are involved in spirituality- and consciousness work develop a very distinct disdain for science. Because as they start to dismiss materialism, they also dismiss science and they simply throw out the baby with the bath water, not realizing that "everything is consciousness" and "scientifically manipulating abstractions to manipulate reality" don't exclude each other. "Atoms? They're not real!!" Until you look through a Cryogenic Electron Microscope. But what do you see? Atoms. Are you sure? Consciousness. Are you sure? Well, it's both and neither. See, both don't exclude each other. "Consciousness" is as much an abstraction as "Atoms", don't forget that. But what is, is not an abstraction. Just recognize that "consciousness" is also saying too much already. Don't get triggered by what I'm saying, try to understand. This is stage yellow/turquoise thinking. Can you reconcile science and consciousness? Can you appreciate the value that science provides? Tldr So the problem I'm seeing is that people confuse this meta-scientific perspective with a simplistic, ideological, unscientific perspective. True, there is no material world. But that does not mean that the unscientific bullsh*t you broadcast is suddenly true. Using "absolute truth" to argue against "relative truth" is meaningless. Absolute truth is not a position relative to anything else, therefore you can't use it to argue "against something else". So either you play the game or you don't. But don't hover in between and ruin it for both sides. I hope you understand what problem I'm talking about in this thread. It's basically a problem of excessive stage green (and to some extent even yellow). Don't be unscientific, be meta-scientific.

@SunAngel Welcome to the forum My condolences... The understanding of your experience will not come from any of us, for it is not to be understood in the ordinary sense. Even if someone here has had a similar experience, there is no "explanation". Such an experience is not something to be "explained". Not because you can't project meaning on it, but because it's too... real. Don't explain it away. The value of such an experience does not lie in the meaning one projects on it, but in the felt experience itself. I hope you know what I mean. Yes, you can say "well, you handing over your child to the light being was a metaphor for letting your child go". But... do you want this experience to be a metaphor? A symbol? Or can you see it as an experience that is of the same nature as Love, Death, Birth, Friendship, Compassion, etc, which are not to be explained, for they are in their very nature not metaphorical - they are simply to be experienced as they are. Therein lies their true value. This is only my very limited perspective. In the end, you will have to find all answers yourself❤

Hello friends. I'm kinda struggling with anxiety at the moment because I have a lot to do for university and I'm uncertain about finding a research subject for my degree within the time limit (there's a deadline ending in 2,5 weeks). I have all these scenarios in my head where I don't find a subject in time and then think that some horrible consequences will ensue, although in that scenario, I don't even know what exactly is supposed to happen, only "something really, really bad", or that I somehow f*ck up everything by not getting everything done... Just a few days ago I was also plagued by not being signed up for an exam that I had already taken and I thought that because of that, I'd have to stay one semester longer until I could take it again or some s*it like that. I have a massive (like really) problem with procrastination and I kinda feel that it comes to bite me in the ass for real this time. So far, every anxiety I ever had in university did either - not came to life at all - turned out to be not nearly as bad as I thought it would As I'm writing these sentences, I kinda hear that they sound a bit ridiculous, but my monkey mind doesn't give a f*ck about that and tells me "if this doesn't work out, your're screwed for good", which.. really f's with me. Although my rational mind tells me that I'm not screwed, even if things shouldn't work out quite well. When I'm calm, I seem to know how to "deal" with anxiety and I would say "oh don't worry, realize that it's just thought, etc.". But it doesn't work now... You're not in my situation, say some sober things please

@Holygrail The present moment doesn't "last". "It" doesn't begin or end. Thus, it's in-finite. It is eternity. @GreenWoods "Motion" is an illusion created by memory. It's the idea that there is something continuous that goes along in the course of time. But there is only what is. Motion - Stillness That's a duality. When does a thing move and when does it not move? There's no difference. The boundary is imaginary. Nothing moves. But equally, nothing rests.

@Enlightenment Doesn't matter, because the point Leo was trying to make in that video is that you can't see a system as a whole from within itself. You have to go meta if you want to understand until you can't go any more meta - aka infinity. You can't get past infinity. Which is also the same as saying that the universe is groundless.

Spot on, that's a perfect description. @something_else Thank you. It sounds so reasonable, but now, when I need my ability to stay reasonable, everything just flies out the window and I succumb to fear... It's a relief to hear that I'm not alone.

@Zion You have to honest with yourself, then you'll know. Say you want to break an addiction and you try, but only halfheartedly. If you're honest with yourself, you will automatically know that this wasn't the best you could do. But if you really give everything you have and it still doesn't work, you can seek help with a clear conscience. Help only works because it adds to your capacities. Help might give you the remaining 10% you didn't have. But if you don't really try in the first place, help will probably not be enough. Which is why honesty is so crucial. It will tell you when you need help, because you'll have a clear conscience. That's the function of your conscience, it tells you where to go and what to do, it's what keeps up your integrity.

@ivankiss Thank you, good Sir❤ that helped a bit

Lmao?? You guys, why are you so hung up on "solipsism"? You will never know - besides, what do you even want to know? And how would you know, anyway? All you know for sure, is that there is, what there is, whatever it might be. You think you have a point of view, which is semi true. Solipsism is a problem only for an ego. What do you think would it feel like to look at the world through my eyes? Obviously just like through your eyes, it's still you who's looking. There is only YOU. Only you don't know who you are?

Best regards, The devil

Exactly. @Preety_India Hmm never thought about that. In order to compensate, one must feel the need to compensate, one must feel lacking. Which in the case of "loving people who need your love" (like family/friend/neighbors) will probably arise out of a sense of guilt. "You must love your family", this sort of thing. And once again we're at "thou shalt love the lord thy god". Or, it's compensation in form of the spiritual ego kick (which is probably what you meant?). Which would make up for the felt "unspirituality" and one's judgement of oneself if one doesn't love Hitler. True, but everything after that is just talk. Yes, the universal love is valid in the moment, but if after that one simply falls back into toxic, destructive and hateful behavior, one hasn't really understood. Because nothing is understood unless you remember - aka embody. Edit: I think I'm wrong concerning understanding and embodiment. Understanding isn't based on remembering. Long-term embodiment however, is. I think. Gotta contemplate this a little more. Help pls??

Of course, but how many people have actually realized this? And not only realized, but who actually embody this love? Rare, rare, rare, rare... It's one thing to feel intense universal love for the most "horrendous" crimes in existence of humankind when one is on psychedelics, it's a whole other ballgame to retain it after the trip.

100% And the funny thing is, that this display of alleged love only happens out of a feeling of actually perceiving Hitler as an evil person. Which is the moral source for this "holier than thou" attitude. So in order to make this "holier-than-thou-" thing work, you must judge Hitler in the first place. Because only then you can pretend to love him in spite of perceiving him as a sinner, in order to get a big spiritual ego kick. Which you of course would never ever admit. "loving the sinner" - but how can you love someone if you perceive him as a sinner? it's a Koan. I don't love Hitler. But I don't hate him either. (and I won't mention the fact that Hitler doesn't actually exist ) In our culture we're supposed to ardently hate Hitler as the incarnation of metaphysical evil. So people who really want to behave subversively and pretend that they're oh so holy say they can love Hitler. But this is what is meant by "thou shalt love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Go ahead, try to "love" something or someone that/who you simply don't love. "Thou shalt hate Hitler with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Now that's a Koan for you. Can you? Why not try to do that? Because it isn't spiritual? Because you think you're not supposed to hate people? Because you think you're supposed to love Hitler? You're fooling yourself?

Apparently things are coming together... Quantum entanglement has been observed at the macroscopic level, which is pretty cool. Though we're still talking about matter the size of one 5th the width of human hair, compared to the masses involved in quantum mechanics, this is absolutely enormous. Article https://www.sciencealert.com/quantum-entanglement-has-now-been-directly-observed-at-a-larger-macroscopic-scale Paper report https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6542/622

Seriously tho, at this point, I'm not so sure that Peterson hasn't tried multiple Psychedelics. I know that he has done mushrooms and I also think acid. He must be so damn curious... He knows about DMT, I bet you he also knows about 5-MeO... Lol he even knows about Terence McKenna?? He's hiding something, fo sho

Sorry, the title might sound misleading, didn't think about it?