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This would be a huge loss (yeah, I know I'm being selfish). Exchange with other people is extremely valuable, one, because it provides alleviation from the sense of loneliness that comes with going deep in this work and two, it simply enlarges the information network. The more people, the more information. @Leo GuraPeople discover Actualized.org because they want to know how to not give a sh*t what others think or how to meditate. And then they discover the rest. The relation between "depth of content" and "degree of shallowness of average follower" is too wide of a gap. I'm not telling you to divide Actualized.org into two camps, but the discrepancy between the levels of development that meet within the framework of Actualized.org has become unsustainably large. Hell, it even took a massive toll on the popularity of your brand.

@kinesin No, it most certainly isn't. Leo can only be held responsible for what he says, not for what his followers do. He is not an authority. He is just some random dude, who, for all you know, could be utterly deluded and insane. It's always oneself who declares someone else to be an authority. There is no one to blame here.

This is true, but one-sided. In the end, Leo can't be held responsible for anything his followers/listeners do, it's 100% up to them. The real danger doesn't lurk in the things Leo says, but in the way people interpret those things. When Leo or whoever else says "life is a dream" or "you're god" or "death is infinite love" or "you're imagining me" or whatever, these statements mean nothing whatsoever, per se. I agree with you on the point that "advanced teachings" maybe shouldn't be shared out in front of god and everybody, but even then, there simply is no way at all to make sure that people don't take these things literally or interpret them in ways that are harmful to themselves or others.

I can't believe I have to say this, but please keep all your speculations to yourself and show some respect and decency. It's not appropriate.

In the beginning there was Love. And then Love forgot, and then it remembered; Utterly embracing itself, there is no "outside" to Love. Because there is perfection, there are no reasons. No reasons is the same as birth of illusion! Illusion is pretending, but since it is pretending, nothing ever happened. nothing - ever - happened Love - Eternity - "Illusion" So, the birth of illusion and the illusion of birth are identical - this is what happened, when Love (you! this!) went full circle. Only, remember: there are no illusions, not really this is the nature of illusion - to be Truth!, not to be true. In an act of total, eternal self-abandonment, it forgot. Forgot itself. You forgot! Forgot yourself. But to forget is not to seize!! Only of course, it seems to be so When you were a child and played being someone else, you had to forget who you are. And because you loved playing, you really did it. So you forgot. But you still were who you were, only in disguise. Love forgetting itself, turns into "I". The true I forgot, because I am Love and I am selflessness - so, to be selfless(ness) when at the same time you are Love means to forget yourself! You must forget! That's who you are!! you are the You, who forgot who You is And then, when you have forgotten... Time to go back. Because there is no forgetting without remembering. Don't forget, you are still Love, so you will remember, you will "become" whole once again. You remember that you were all along. And you can re-member, because you only pretended to be dis-membered. To forget and to remember is a duality. There is only remembrance and nothing to be remembered, because nothing was ever lost. And so it goes, on and on and on and on, eternally. Of course it does, because something that was only an illusion, never happened (isn't true), but it is Truth. You are who you are, because you are Love.

@Holygrail Could you share a screenshot or something?

Misunderstanding is unavoidable - which makes it all the more tragic. All we can do is learn from and be forgiving of those, who acted according to their best knowledge. There is nothing left for me to say. @SoonHei May you rest in Peace❤

@ivankiss What exactly do you mean?

@Muhammad Jawad I'm so sorry for you loss man.. This is shocking to read... May he rest in peace? This is a very tricky question, especially in this context of his death. Suicide, i.e. killing the body assumes identification with the body. But if I know that I am not the body, then killing the body is unnecessary. Spirituality is supposed to make you see that you are not limited to the body. "Is it possible to liberate myself from death by killing myself?" I think you see the futility in that.

This is the sort of conversation that hovers at the edge of "wtf, is this even real?" and "I can't believe this sh*t is real"? Now I just want to tear off my ears and cover my eyes with them...

@Carl-Richard Very nice Reminds me of a thread from a few weeks ago. Your post would've fitted well...where people were making claims about mystics transcending material limits to induce these superhuman levels of consciousness through sheer will...

I'm watching Leo's new video rn, and I have to say it's brilliant. I love it. The ideas Leo talks about remind me very much of Hindu mythology, where the Godhead plays, gets lost in Maya, the illusion, the play, the power that created this world... Also, some of the things he said sounded exactly like the things Alan Watts said... Here he talks about the balance between skill and chance for an optimal game. Or this: This is 100% the same... Guess both Leo and Alan have realized the same... But how to realize this for myself? Is there no way around 5-MeO? Or what??

God is the ultimate f*cking troll?

Fear is the force behind survival. Without fear, you'd long be dead. Notice, that fear is a form of love.

Your body is not a bag of flesh that is somehow being shoved around by some spooky magic called "mind" or "consciousness". The duality between "mind" and "body" is not real. When you move your hand, you might think "my mind controls the hand". And then you begin to wonder "but how is it possible that mind controls matter??" Notice the duality. Mind - Matter. But if you get rid of the duality between mind and matter, you'll end up with a far simpler and much more satisfying explanation; Your mind doesn't move the hand. Your mind and your hand are actually the same, and the hand controls itself through being identical with mind. Or look at your heartbeat. How come your heart knows how to beat? How come there's a part of your mind that "subconsciously" controls the heart? Well, again, get rid of the duality and see that "heart" and mind" are not different from each other and that because your heart is the same as your mind, it controls itself. After all, if I you move your hand and I ask you: "do you know how you move your hand?", you will answer "yes of course - and in fact, me knowing how to move my hand and the moving of the hand are one and the same process." Just observe, closely. And see if you can actually find any difference between mind and body. And what you'll find, eventually, is that what you call "body" or "mind" are even more than that - they're consciousness. See, consciousness is not something "in" or "from" your body. Your body is a reflection/appearance of consciousness. And this consciousness is you. There is no difference between you and all your bodily sensations. They're not something you "have", they are something you are. I dare you to find the difference between "the one who feels" and "what is felt".

Actually, no. "Chances" is only something you could derive if you had a set of events. The universe is one event. There are no two events. It's like some scientists try to calculate how "likely" (or unlikely) it was for the big bang to occur. Which is just stupid?

@Javfly33 That is the most important insight you could have gained from this forum

@Leo Gura Even more than the mindfuck of being God?

I see the advantages of such a thread, but I'd also like to point out two possible problems with a "Jordan Peterson Mega-Thread": First, it's about a person / based on a person, which this gives the whole thing a sort of of ad hominem-touch, which I really think should be avoided in good discussions. And second, this thread could very easily develop into a bashing-thread where people will pick some of JP's opinions and ideas, build a straw man and then knock it down to nurture their stage blue shadow.

First of all, 33µg is not microdosing anymore. Microdosing stops at around 15µg. For 1P-LSD it might even be a bit lower than that, I only have experience with 1CP-LSD, which is slightly more potent than normal LSD-25. 33µg is one third of a trip, and some people can experience very potent effects on only half a "full dose", that is 50µg. Seems like you totally underestimated what you were doing. Research on psychedelics is very, very important.

When people watch Leo's series on "Deconstructing the Myth of Science", they might start to think that science is somehow "wrong". It is, and it isn't. It depends on the context. And that's where people get confused. Remember Leo's video on relative and absolute truth? "The sky is blue because it scatters light" is a relative truth. "Potatoes are part of the Solanaceae " is a relative truth. "The human body can't run a marathon in under 1 hour" is a relative truth. Science itself (and I'm mostly referring to the natural sciences) is a field so large and complex that you can't even grasp its extent and complexity. Science has penetrated the material world so deep that it's just ludicrous. You can go into any field, whether it's physics, chemistry or biology and from there look at all the sub-fields. And each sub-field has hundreds of sub-sub-fields, and each sub-sub-field has thousands of even more minute fields. If you would settle for some extremely specific problem, you could study it all your life and you wouldn't answer 1% of everything you could answer about it. People think that science deals with explaining reality. But most of the time, that's not true. Science doesn't explain reality, science builds models of reality. Science abstracts and divides reality, it conceptualizes it, it manipulates those concepts, projects them back onto the world and thereby manipulates reality. I often see people who are involved in spirituality- and consciousness work develop a very distinct disdain for science. Because as they start to dismiss materialism, they also dismiss science and they simply throw out the baby with the bath water, not realizing that "everything is consciousness" and "scientifically manipulating abstractions to manipulate reality" don't exclude each other. "Atoms? They're not real!!" Until you look through a Cryogenic Electron Microscope. But what do you see? Atoms. Are you sure? Consciousness. Are you sure? Well, it's both and neither. See, both don't exclude each other. "Consciousness" is as much an abstraction as "Atoms", don't forget that. But what is, is not an abstraction. Just recognize that "consciousness" is also saying too much already. Don't get triggered by what I'm saying, try to understand. This is stage yellow/turquoise thinking. Can you reconcile science and consciousness? Can you appreciate the value that science provides? Tldr So the problem I'm seeing is that people confuse this meta-scientific perspective with a simplistic, ideological, unscientific perspective. True, there is no material world. But that does not mean that the unscientific bullsh*t you broadcast is suddenly true. Using "absolute truth" to argue against "relative truth" is meaningless. Absolute truth is not a position relative to anything else, therefore you can't use it to argue "against something else". So either you play the game or you don't. But don't hover in between and ruin it for both sides. I hope you understand what problem I'm talking about in this thread. It's basically a problem of excessive stage green (and to some extent even yellow). Don't be unscientific, be meta-scientific.

@SunAngel Welcome to the forum My condolences... The understanding of your experience will not come from any of us, for it is not to be understood in the ordinary sense. Even if someone here has had a similar experience, there is no "explanation". Such an experience is not something to be "explained". Not because you can't project meaning on it, but because it's too... real. Don't explain it away. The value of such an experience does not lie in the meaning one projects on it, but in the felt experience itself. I hope you know what I mean. Yes, you can say "well, you handing over your child to the light being was a metaphor for letting your child go". But... do you want this experience to be a metaphor? A symbol? Or can you see it as an experience that is of the same nature as Love, Death, Birth, Friendship, Compassion, etc, which are not to be explained, for they are in their very nature not metaphorical - they are simply to be experienced as they are. Therein lies their true value. This is only my very limited perspective. In the end, you will have to find all answers yourself❤

Hello friends. I'm kinda struggling with anxiety at the moment because I have a lot to do for university and I'm uncertain about finding a research subject for my degree within the time limit (there's a deadline ending in 2,5 weeks). I have all these scenarios in my head where I don't find a subject in time and then think that some horrible consequences will ensue, although in that scenario, I don't even know what exactly is supposed to happen, only "something really, really bad", or that I somehow f*ck up everything by not getting everything done... Just a few days ago I was also plagued by not being signed up for an exam that I had already taken and I thought that because of that, I'd have to stay one semester longer until I could take it again or some s*it like that. I have a massive (like really) problem with procrastination and I kinda feel that it comes to bite me in the ass for real this time. So far, every anxiety I ever had in university did either - not came to life at all - turned out to be not nearly as bad as I thought it would As I'm writing these sentences, I kinda hear that they sound a bit ridiculous, but my monkey mind doesn't give a f*ck about that and tells me "if this doesn't work out, your're screwed for good", which.. really f's with me. Although my rational mind tells me that I'm not screwed, even if things shouldn't work out quite well. When I'm calm, I seem to know how to "deal" with anxiety and I would say "oh don't worry, realize that it's just thought, etc.". But it doesn't work now... You're not in my situation, say some sober things please

@Holygrail The present moment doesn't "last". "It" doesn't begin or end. Thus, it's in-finite. It is eternity. @GreenWoods "Motion" is an illusion created by memory. It's the idea that there is something continuous that goes along in the course of time. But there is only what is. Motion - Stillness That's a duality. When does a thing move and when does it not move? There's no difference. The boundary is imaginary. Nothing moves. But equally, nothing rests.